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How addicting is crack/heroin?

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Hubba is so-so addictive. The White Pony is the beast. Go ahead and smoke a little rock... snort a little blow... but don't mess with Mr. Brownstone; that beast will roar.
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: iluvtruenos

Yes, but obviously, pot is a gateway drug, as my friend who was once a pothead can be considered a crackhead.

I know that I can turn down their offers, I have enough self-control, but just the thought of hanging out with a person who does not care about anything except where to get his next 'fix' is disturbing and very depressing.
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It's good to see that government sponsored propaganda still works on people that aren't very bright. It's probably for the best, though, as I doubt that people who believe that stuff would be able to control their drug use.
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there goes this thread.

 
While neither pot nor acid are physiologically addictive, the lighter you travel, the further and farther you can go. This goes for porn, computer hardware lust, and most aspects of the intarweb as well.

It is highly unlikely you will get hooked on scag (heroin) after one try, but that stuff, like meth, is death 'n the debbil all rolled into one. I knew a number of speed freaks and junkies back in the day, they were pitiful people on a one way trip to literal oblivion. So sad, really. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever trust a junkie.

Lose those friends, they will mock and hate you if you try to preach to them, and can only drag you down.

Good luck.
 
Only solution in my opinion is to drop any contact with them completely. Thats really the only way you will make sure you stay away from it. I had "friends" just like yours except I was doing the crack and coke with them. It started a a once every other weekend thing and tunred into a every weekend then the weekend and once during the week. It took me losing my job to get me straight. I quit all of it cold turkey and just cut off all contact with the "friends" I had. 7 years later and I have a wife and 2 kids and I haven't talked to any of them since. I miss the fun we had but I grew up and don't even worry about any of that anymore. Good luck with your decisions.
 
Originally posted by: iluvtruenos
Over the past two years, my friends and I have been hanging out, doing stupid 16 year old stuff, and just generally having fun.

Then we tried drugs. At first it was kid A, who tried pot, liked it, then brought it into our circle. Friend E tried pot, and really liked it. Now he's addicted, and in under two years can go through an eigth in a day. Weed has caused him to lose his job at BestBuy, and lose his parents' trust. I tried pot myself, and still occasionally do it, but make damn sure not to drive, or do anything while gone. My friends do the exact opposite.

Fast forward to two weeks ago. During school, E sent me a text message to pick him up from college (he's a year older than me) because he felt like crap. At the end of the school day, A called me and told me E is in the hospital for ODing on painkillers. At the hospital, they do a drug test, and find massive amounts of pot in his system, and all the usual stuff that's in painkillers.

On Tuesday before school he and his friends got together and did acid. Thursday crack and heroin. I've heard stories that those drugs are a one-time thing, and you're addicted. Just today, I stopped and thought about my life. My friends are quickly becoming drug addicts, and the groups of people I hang around with have some part of their lives revolving around drugs. Frankly I'm disgusted. I don't want to hang out with them anymore because I know that it will lead to lies, stealing, and using. I don't know if I should just cut it off and start new, or how to not fvck up.

I want to go to college for engineering. I do not need the weight of a drug habit to drag me down and ruin my chances at life before they get airborne.

I guess I don't know what to do.

No cliffs, sorry.
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damn dude, you're pretty smart for your age. :beer:
 
Originally posted by: iamtrout
They are not your friends. Ditch them. Move on to better things. What year are you?
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Second the motion on ditching the so call friends and move on.

My youngest sister tried pot at 14 yrs old and now she is addicted on everything that she can get her hand on. And the sad part is that she have 3 kids.
 
meh. I won't take anything that's physically addictive. Meth is baaaad sh1t, it feels too freakin' good. I did that once, no more. coke, eh. not fun. the day after you feel like crap. E isn't really bad for you as long as you're responsible, get a testing kit, they're really cheap, drink lots of water, etc. Pot is pot, can't say much about that...alchohol is worse, IMHO.


Sh1t. Watch me get banned for this crap.
 
It might strike you as dishonest and self serving, but I guess you can try to get your friend off drugs.

People will kill family members for drug money. Friends are no exception. I suggest you do what you can for him, and if he doesn't respond, drop him from your life, because he's only going to hold you back.
 
I wish I had back some of my druggie years. Had a blast but I also think it kept me from really applying myself in college and shortly after graduating. I became content with my life as long as I was smoking pot and popping painkillers. In reality, it was just an escape. I lost a couple really close friendships along the way as well because of it. One of my best friends opted to walk away from our friendship because he was ready to grow up and I wasn't. And then a couple years later, I opted to walk away from a good friend because it was I that was ready to grow up.

I never messed with anything other than pot, pills and acid. But I will say that painkillers screwed me up pretty bad back in my college days. Those things make you a zombie and they also make you do things completely out of character when you need to obtain them. I'm completely disgusted with some of the things I did back then in regards to pills. But, you live and you learn, hoping you don't take it too far along the way.

You're making the right decision by putting your future ahead of your relationship with these other people. You'll make new friends who like you, want to do something positive with their lives. I wouldn't sweat it. You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders and take it from me, you won't regret focusing on your education more than a good time. Wish I had done that. Nothing wrong with having some fun and experimenting a little but you can't make it a lifestyle and expect anything good to result from it.

Good luck in life...
 
If they are junkies, definately stay away. The last thing you need is to be hanging out and they pressure you into it. Anyone who tells you that you can't get addicted after one try is stupid. You can get addicted to soda after one can. It's psycological. The soda tastes so good that you want another here and there. Pretty soon, you are buying a 12 pack because you love the taste. Then you're having a couple cans per day. After a couple months, you are addicted to caffine and get withdrawls when you aren't having any. It starts out harmless and you don't even know that you are going down the road to addiction.

Now if your friends are not yet at the junkie stage and are still receptive, then get them help immediately in one form or another. Just call them up and tell them that they MIGHT have a problem. Tell them that you are concerned. If they blow you off, then go your separate ways, but if you can reach them, then by all means help.

As mentioned earlier, NEVER trust a junkie.
 
My friends and I used to smoke weed in college. Out of the four of us, I used the most. I was the pothead of the group. I was definitely addicted to it. It messed me up pretty bad mentally. But, I haven't smoked in over 2 years and I'm doing better now. I'm so thankful I only smoked pot and didn't get into anything harder.
 
One of my closest friends has completely destroyed his life over crack. He once had a good job, a family, a home.

Now he lives in a YMCA full of crackheads like himself. His wife and kid left him. He has no job, no car. He called me (collect) begging for some money because he hadn't eaten in three days so I gave him enough money to cover his meals for two weeks as long as he promised not to use any of it for crack, and he gave me his word, thanking me with tears in his eyes. He said he needed $30 a week to eat so I gave him $60.

In three days all the money was gone, spent on crack. He called me for more but I had to turn him down. If he could steal from me, I'm sure he would. The women staying at the YMCA stand on the corner and offer oral sex for $3 so they can get a bump (buy crack). You think they intended to live that kind of life?

Do yourself a favor, and separate yourself from your druggie friends. Even if you don't get sucked in, they'll lie to you and steal from you if they can.

What I found out is that while you are valuing the friendship, they value the drugs more. So if the friendship has to be sacrificed to get drugs, that's what they'll do. It's hard to take, believe me.

It's the choice they've made. You have to make yours.
 
You sound like you could be a smart guy. Please don't throw your life away on drugs. This is about more than just your degree - it's also your physical health and life.

Read up. Heroin
Medical consequences of chronic heroin abuse include scarred and/or collapsed veins, bacterial infections of the blood vessels and heart valves, abscesses (boils) and other soft-tissue infections, and liver or kidney disease. Lung complications (including various types of pneumonia and tuberculosis) may result from the poor health condition of the abuser as well as from heroin's depressing effects on respiration. Many of the additives in street heroin may include substances that do not readily dissolve and result in clogging the blood vessels that lead to the lungs, liver, kidneys, or brain. This can cause infection or even death of small patches of cells in vital organs. Immune reactions to these or other contaminants can cause arthritis or other rheumatologic problems.

Of course, sharing of injection equipment or fluids can lead to some of the most severe consequences of heroin abuse-infections with hepatitis B and C, HIV, and a host of other blood-borne viruses, which drug abusers can then pass on to their sexual partners and children.
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Cocaine
Cardiovascular Effects
- Disturbances in Heart Rhythm
- Heart Attacks
Respiratory Effects
- Chest Pain
- Respiratory Failure
Neurological Effects
- Strokes
- Seizures and Hheadaches
Gastrointestinal Complications
- Abdominal Pain
- Nausea
 
Originally posted by: iluvtruenos
Senior.

I am really thinking about just dropping contacts with them and cutting my losses.

I do not need to be undermined by a substance that is temporary, whereas a degree is permanent.
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good man.
everyone has experimented...which is fine. but obviously you know your priorities.
getting a six digit salary later > becoming a junkie (IMHO).
 
Originally posted by: iluvtruenos
Over the past two years, my friends and I have been hanging out, doing stupid 16 year old stuff, and just generally having fun.

Then we tried drugs. At first it was kid A, who tried pot, liked it, then brought it into our circle. Friend E tried pot, and really liked it. Now he's addicted, and in under two years can go through an eigth in a day. Weed has caused him to lose his job at BestBuy, and lose his parents' trust. I tried pot myself, and still occasionally do it, but make damn sure not to drive, or do anything while gone. My friends do the exact opposite.

Fast forward to two weeks ago. During school, E sent me a text message to pick him up from college (he's a year older than me) because he felt like crap. At the end of the school day, A called me and told me E is in the hospital for ODing on painkillers. At the hospital, they do a drug test, and find massive amounts of pot in his system, and all the usual stuff that's in painkillers.

On Tuesday before school he and his friends got together and did acid. Thursday crack and heroin. I've heard stories that those drugs are a one-time thing, and you're addicted. Just today, I stopped and thought about my life. My friends are quickly becoming drug addicts, and the groups of people I hang around with have some part of their lives revolving around drugs. Frankly I'm disgusted. I don't want to hang out with them anymore because I know that it will lead to lies, stealing, and using. I don't know if I should just cut it off and start new, or how to not fvck up.

I want to go to college for engineering. I do not need the weight of a drug habit to drag me down and ruin my chances at life before they get airborne.

I guess I don't know what to do.

No cliffs, sorry.
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NO, THAT's good. Stay away from cliffs, especia;lly while on drugs. You CANNOT FLY! by yourself , wihtout mechanical aid, oh you know what I mean.

Dude, you can only make decsions and choices for yourself.
NO one has ever been tied down and forced, under penalty of immediate death to do any drugs. Once you see it's negative effects, either to you or your "friends", it is your responsibility (to yourself and society as a whole) what you do next.
Your friends may be on a short straight track to hell if they are using crack and heroin simultaneously. Heroin is a powerful drug as is free based cocaine sometimes called crack. The problem with street crack is it's mostly sodium and sodium eats brain. Oh and that cocaine is a wonderful "repeater" makes it just a little longer path to hell's front door.

Anytime any "thing" person or activity takes up the majority of your time, energy, resources and self, it should be re-examined. Life is about acheiving a balance. If you're swinging wildly from one end of the scale to another, it will take a long time to reach that balance. How you live your life is as important as why.

True friends will always be there, even if you're down. Hang out with them only if YOU'RE sure you won't be using or in a vulnerable position. Doings drugs is only "cool" as long a sit's just you and them. When the rest of the world (society aka The People) gets involved, it gets really complicated, really quickly.



"Cocaine is a wonderful drug. It makes me feel like a new man. The only trouble is the first thing that new man wants is more cocaine!" Robin Williams 1982
 
Originally posted by: KillerCharlie
Try your best to get them help, but when it comes down to you, you must cut them off. If you want to be successful in life and get that engineering degree, you can absolutely not follow their habits. It's as simple as that.
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QFT
 
I had a friend that did crystal.. funny thing is that he was my most loyal, trustworthy, truthful and honorable friend. Ive lost contact with him over the years, but he was the type of guy to never lie, steal from me, and backed me up when i needed it. Not all druggies are bad.
 
Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fvcking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suite on hire purchase in a range of fvcking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fvck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fvcking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fvcked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
 
I've sat in a room with a junkie who drank an entire fifth of whiskey in less than two hours, and who didn't seem to be one bit fazed. That HOLE that scag burns in you is downright scary . . .

 
I did my share of experimenting. But couple of my friends took it a little more serious and started shooting up. One night they came home so tore up they werent able to get a vain. They came and asked me to help out. Like a good friend, I followed them to bathroom and proceeded to enduce as much pain as possible with that needle. After a while of torture they said ****** it and went to lay down. The next day, I expained that ****** wasn't cool and they needed to wise up and quit. From then on I was an outsider. I moved out shortly after. One guy got kicked out of the navy, the other was arrested for attempting to rob a bank.
 
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