How about McCain/Rice?
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Why do people think Rice is so qualified to be president? She has even less credentials than, well, some of the current front runners.
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I was saying Rice for VP actually.
This guy is not so hot on them.
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/adamo/051012
Never McCain, not after the McCain/Feingold bill that attempts to take away our 1st Amendment rights in new and creative ways.
As for Rice, at one time I would have thought so, I still think of her more highly than Powell (another suggested name for an African American to run as a Republican) but in the end the left would just destroy her.
Outside of Guliani (sp) I haven't seen ANYONE of either party I could actually vote for
dphantom
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I don't think so. She won't help the black vote as she is seen as a sell out to the "whites" and won't bring that many left leaning or liberal women in as Hillary has a strong, though not iron grip on that group.
So I do not see Rice as an advantage anywhere in 2008.
McCain has gone over the edge, both in supporting Bush's troop surge and selling his alleged soul to the religious ultra-right nutjobs. Condi's another neocon chickenhawk who should have stuck with playing the piano.
My vote for either of them, let alone both of them on the same ticket is HELL, NO! :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:
Word on the street is that Cesar Chavez died in 1993 so he won't be running.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Word on the street is that you are going to write in Chavez for President
Originally posted by: Harvey
Word on the street is that Cesar Chavez died in 1993 so he won't be running.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Word on the street is that you are going to write in Chavez for President
He was an excellent boxer, but I just don't think his foreign policy makes any sense.
Red Dawn
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Yeah he's kind of "Rummy" Maybe he'd make a good Secty of State:roll::laugh:Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Originally posted by: Harvey
Word on the street is that Cesar Chavez died in 1993 so he won't be running.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Word on the street is that you are going to write in Chavez for President
He was an excellent boxer, but I just don't think his foreign policy makes any sense.
ProfJohn
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I don?t think Rice is much of a help for McCain. McCain does not need a VP with foreign policy credentials since he is considered strong on that topic.
McCain would most likely pick someone from the south or Midwest in an attempt to pick up or shore up some states. A strong Republican from one of the winnable blue Midwest states would make a lot of sense. Someone from Florida would make a lot of sense, but Jeb is the only Floridian with wide statewide appeal, and I doubt he goes that route.
I do think Rice might make a good VP choice for Giuliani or Romney. Since they both lack foreign policy experience having someone with her type of experience would make sense.
However there would be a lot of soul searching into whether she would really help or hurt. As much as I like her personally she may have become too tainted by her close association to Bush. And since our elections are becoming more and more about being able to win as opposed to being able to govern her liabilities might hurt her chances.
I do think she could balance out Hillary on a ticket though. And, unlike Hillary, she is scandal free and lacks the baggage of Hillary. So women who may be inclined to vote for Hillary because she is a female may look at Rice and decide to vote for her instead.
McCain would most likely pick someone from the south or Midwest in an attempt to pick up or shore up some states. A strong Republican from one of the winnable blue Midwest states would make a lot of sense. Someone from Florida would make a lot of sense, but Jeb is the only Floridian with wide statewide appeal, and I doubt he goes that route.
I do think Rice might make a good VP choice for Giuliani or Romney. Since they both lack foreign policy experience having someone with her type of experience would make sense.
However there would be a lot of soul searching into whether she would really help or hurt. As much as I like her personally she may have become too tainted by her close association to Bush. And since our elections are becoming more and more about being able to win as opposed to being able to govern her liabilities might hurt her chances.
I do think she could balance out Hillary on a ticket though. And, unlike Hillary, she is scandal free and lacks the baggage of Hillary. So women who may be inclined to vote for Hillary because she is a female may look at Rice and decide to vote for her instead.
Rice
National Security Advisor . . . she appeared clueless.
Secretary of State . . . ineffective.
McCain
Stood up for basic human rights and the fidelity of the US Constitution . . . then rolled over when Bush barked.
Made that sycophant plea at a campaign '08 appearance that people should 'vote' for the President instead of himself.
Supports an even larger US troop presence for the purpose of 'solving' an Iraqi civil war.
McCain has lost most cred and Rice never had any. If he can pull together the money, Hagel is the only one with a chance from the Senate. From the statehouse, it's likely Romney. The darkhorse is Newt . . . assuming social conservatives will tolerate him. About the only guaranteed non-starter is Guiliani.
In what way? Our system is currently a disaster from all the corporate money pouring in, and that's hardly a constitutional right.
It didn't exist - it was explicitly ruled against many times - before a clerical error in the 1860's put a claim of corporations having rights as 'persons' under the 14th amendment, passed for former slaves not corporations, led to it becoming law. Our nation did just fine without it, and now our leaders serve the big money donors and the voters are marketed to but not so much represented. We've practically lost democracy on many important areas of society, which is reflected in our huge, growing debt.
Sometimes, the corporate money isn't enough as with the 2006 elections' backlash by voters, but it's a major issue.
There are two basic types of money that go to campaigns - that from citizens, a small amount, for them to push the candidate they like; and that from large 'special interests', especially large corporations and trade groups, who are pushing not only for policies that help them but for those policies which are against the public interest, too (you don't much need to donate to get a law passed the public would like).
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