How about having Powell replace Rumsfeld?

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Looney

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This isn't a new idea, and he would do a great job... and the military, including those who are outspoken right now, would support him.

 
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conjur

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And how would that change anything? Powell showed himself to be a lapdog. The only viable replacement would be Lieberman. Have to keep a war-machine supporter in that position.
 
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Looney

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You guys are crazy. I think Powell is a good man. He may not have known what he was getting into when he joined Bush Jr's administration, but he didn't stick around to drink the kool-aid with the rest of them.
 
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He already served the Kool-Aid up to the 30,000+ dead Iraqi Citizens and to the International Community.. He was the bartender at the Kool-Aid Bar.
 
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Originally posted by: Looney
You guys are crazy. I think Powell is a good man. He may not have known what he was getting into when he joined Bush Jr's administration, but he didn't stick around to drink the kool-aid with the rest of them.
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and going back to that kool-aid binge wouldnt help his reputation at all
 
techs

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IF he was given autonomy it would be a great idea...
Unfortunately he was treated like a poor sister as Sec. of State and it is clear the neo-cons who never served think they know everything about the military.
If Colin had never served under Bush Jr. he would go down as a great American.
Not anymore.
 
HardWarrior

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Powell's burned his bridges, and let's not forget the UN speech on Iraq that even he admits was bogus.

Edit: I think Eric Shinseki would be an interesting choice.
 
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conjur

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Originally posted by: Looney
You guys are crazy. I think Powell is a good man. He may not have known what he was getting into when he joined Bush Jr's administration, but he didn't stick around to drink the kool-aid with the rest of them.
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He prostrated himself before the UN out of loyalty over honor, morality, ethics, etc.

McCain's doing the same thing now.
 
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Looney

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Yeah, he made a lot of bad choices... but he couldn't very well be public about his opinions being in that position. I remember that time, and i remember use to thinking why wasn't he outspoken more (compared to Afghanistan)... he pretty much did just the bare essentials... and he did get out as soon as he could.

techs is right though... it's a shame his reputation is so ruined... hell, at one time he could have been a presidential candidate (or at least vice-president).
 
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conjur

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Yes, he could have gone public. He could have done the *right* thing. Instead, he remained quiet (and pretty much has to this day).


And, there's no way a non-PNAC fvck will be in charge of the Pentagon as long as the Propagandist and his cohort the DICK are in charge.
 
HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: Looney
techs is right though... it's a shame his reputation is so ruined... hell, at one time he could have been a presidential candidate (or at least vice-president).
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Passive speech. He ruined his much-vaunted reputation by being a Bush stooge.

 
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Originally posted by: dahunan
He already served the Kool-Aid up to the 30,000+ dead Iraqi Citizens and to the International Community.. He was the bartender at the Kool-Aid Bar.
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The lies that he spewed are incredibly saddening. He is just as responsible as Bush for what he did.

 
CaptnKirk

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Damaged merchandise, I wouldn't want him there. We know now that he was a suck-up.

I'd expect to see General Franks or Meyers offered the sycophant position.
 
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Originally posted by: Looney
Yeah, he made a lot of bad choices... but he couldn't very well be public about his opinions being in that position. I remember that time, and i remember use to thinking why wasn't he outspoken more (compared to Afghanistan)... he pretty much did just the bare essentials... and he did get out as soon as he could.

techs is right though... it's a shame his reputation is so ruined... hell, at one time he could have been a presidential candidate (or at least vice-president).
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I don't think Powell as a presidential canidate would never have happened due to his Vietnam record... the Mi Lai massacare and coverup in particular.
 
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That speech he gave in front of the U.N. really was a low point, but I think that behind all of that he has a more realistic outlook.

As far actually running the war goes, I'm not sure if any secretary of defense could really bring stability without major policy changes.
 
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Originally posted by: eilute
That speech he gave in front of the U.N. really was a low point, but I think that behind all of that he has a more realistic outlook.
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That speech, and his actions at the time were a complete sellout. He could have stopped this entire war before it started by speaking up. Whether he had the full info at the time, or he just knew the BS he was spouting wasn't confirmed, and he sat on his thumb and twirled, instead of stopping the march to the carnage that followed :|
 
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Originally posted by: JacobJ
Originally posted by: dahunan
He already served the Kool-Aid up to the 30,000+ dead Iraqi Citizens and to the International Community.. He was the bartender at the Kool-Aid Bar.
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The lies that he spewed are incredibly saddening. He is just as responsible as Bush for what he did.
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I'd love to disagree, but I can't. I'd love to elaborate, but I can't. He blew it, plain and simple.
 
dahunan

dahunan

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: BDawg
I have the feeling that Powell is done with this administration.
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Well yeah, and it was most likely Bush's choice, not Powell's.
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Bingo!

He probably saw that Powell was feeling remorse for his crimes ... better get rid of him now before he makes waves...
 
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