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How a fisherman deals with an intrusive drone

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PlanetJosh said:
Maybe the fisherman did a favor in preventing a mid air collision. I mean not right away. But the drone could have flown to another area and collided with another craft in flight if not for him.
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We owe everything to that fishingman!

Imagine if the drone brought down a flight carrying a bunch hookers over to Russia to keep President Putin in a good mood so he wouldn't nuke us?
 
Phoenix86 said:
I'm sure fouling a rotor or two makes it much safer!

Fishing pole has metal hooks on it which could poke out an eye, this just just overhand casts it on a pier.
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very true, but if the drone pilot was following the rules in the first place, it wouldnt be a problem.
 
randay said:
i would love to enlighten you on the many ways to estimate how close the drone was flying but based on your added comments i believe this would be a fruitless discussion with you. so all i have to say about this is have a great day my friend.
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Not interested in the many ways to estimate distance.

I wanted to know where in the video you saw that the drone was flying above people. To me it looked like he was flying above water?

No one has yet to demonstrate the copter operator was doing anything illegal while it would be pretty easy to show the opposite for fish-man.
 
randay said:
he wasnt, he was flying near people.

also i dont believe any laws were broken by either party in the video.
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This is pretty simple. If you recognize the authority of the FAA and believe that the pilot was disregarding FAA rules by flying "near" (near is undefined) people then you would logically accept that the FAA defines the drone as an aircraft and that attempting to disable an aircraft is a violation of 18 U.S. Code 32 punishable by 20 years in prison and/or a $250,000 fine. 🙂

So, was the operator breaking the rules or was the fisherman within his legal right?

 
Humpy said:
This is pretty simple. If you recognize the authority of the FAA and believe that the pilot was disregarding FAA rules by flying "near" (near is undefined) people then you would logically accept that the FAA defines the drone as an aircraft and that attempting to disable an aircraft is a violation of 18 U.S. Code 32 punishable by 20 years in prison and/or a $250,000 fine. 🙂

So, was the operator breaking the rules or was the fisherman within his legal right?

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He's already defined near as basically anything close enough to annoy someone, there's no logic to be found here.
 
Humpy said:
This is pretty simple. If you recognize the authority of the FAA and believe that the pilot was disregarding FAA rules by flying "near" (near is undefined) people then you would logically accept that the FAA defines the drone as an aircraft and that attempting to disable an aircraft is a violation of 18 U.S. Code 32 punishable by 20 years in prison and/or a $250,000 fine. 🙂

So, was the operator breaking the rules or was the fisherman within his legal right?

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Im not a lawyer, and i imagine it would be up to the faa to decide all that stuff.

like i said that drone can move at 22m/s. i would want it at least 100, maybe 200 feet away from me if some stranger was flying it. im not exaggerating when i say you can die from one of these things. two years ago a kid was killed by his own rc heli.
 
If you can hit it with a cast, it's too close.

Both were in the wrong, but I have a hard time faulting the fisherman.
 
randay said:
Im not a lawyer, and i imagine it would be up to the faa to decide all that stuff.
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LOL. Yeah, they did decide all that stuff, that's why I brought it up in reply to your post about the "rules".

Just keep it simple and say drones are scary and flown by a bad man. No one could say shit about that opinion. If the discussion starts to get too lawyerly just change the subject. 🙂
 
Humpy said:
LOL. Yeah, they did decide all that stuff, that's why I brought it up in reply to your post about the "rules".

Just keep it simple and say drones are scary and flown by a bad man. No one could say shit about that opinion. If the discussion starts to get too lawyerly just change the subject. 🙂
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no thanks.
 
randay said:
Im not a lawyer, and i imagine it would be up to the faa to decide all that stuff.

like i said that drone can move at 22m/s. i would want it at least 100, maybe 200 feet away from me if some stranger was flying it. im not exaggerating when i say you can die from one of these things. two years ago a kid was killed by his own rc heli.
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If you have half a brain you know there's a serious difference in the power of an RC heli and even powerful drones. Gas vs. electric....

Some of the RC heli's go over 150 mph, 3 times the speed of a drone. That's like comparing a bb gun to a bullet.

There's no reason the distance in the video was unsafe, even an agency as anal as the FAA would not call that unsafe.

At a minimum "near people" is ambiguous and it's clearly NOT up to fisherman Joe here to A: decide what "near people" means, and B: violate the law to "enforce" his decision.
 
Phoenix86 said:
If you have half a brain you know there's a serious difference in the power of an RC heli and even powerful drones. Gas vs. electric....

Some of the RC heli's go over 150 mph, 3 times the speed of a drone. That's like comparing a bb gun to a bullet.

There's no reason the distance in the video was unsafe, even an agency as anal as the FAA would not call that unsafe.

At a minimum "near people" is ambiguous and it's clearly NOT up to fisherman Joe here to A: decide what "near people" means, and B: violate the law to "enforce" his decision.
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I participate in both of these hobbies. I have been playing with RC stuff and fishing almost my entire life. From my experience with both drones and shore fishing I am positing that this drone was flying "near" people.

If you dont agree thats fine. Just calm down and remember that some internet dudes opinion is nothing to get upset about. Its clear that both are in the wrong and that both did not cause any harm, regardless of their intentions, so I dont see why everyone is so upset about it. then again this is the internet so DIAF
 
Phoenix86 said:
Being a dick doesn't excuse destruction of property (or trying to). There are more dicks on the roads in 2000 lb vehicles, doesn't give me the right to damage their vehicle.

Your definition of being a dick doesn't include the fisherman, who actually did violate the law? I suspect both were guilty of that.
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What law did the fisherman violate? None!
 
midwestfisherman said:
What law did the fisherman violate? None!
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In simple terms, destruction of property/criminal mischief. In more technical terms, you don't fuck with FAA regulated devices. It's not much different than shooting at a manned aircraft (obviously much less at stake).

The FAA has responded and said it could result in prosecution (federal).

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/2...result-in-prosecution-similar-to-shooting-at/

The FAA for its part said a drone "hit by gunfire could crash, causing damage to persons or property on the ground, or it could collide with other objects in the air. Shooting at an unmanned aircraft could result in criminal or civil liability, just as would firing at a manned airplane."

The main issue is causing loss of control, fishing line/hook vs gunshot is really no different here. You don't fuck with flying aircraft.

So basically, federal, state and probably city laws all in one cast.
 
randay said:
I participate in both of these hobbies. I have been playing with RC stuff and fishing almost my entire life. From my experience with both drones and shore fishing I am positing that this drone was flying "near" people.

If you dont agree thats fine. Just calm down and remember that some internet dudes opinion is nothing to get upset about. Its clear that both are in the wrong and that both did not cause any harm, regardless of their intentions, so I dont see why everyone is so upset about it. then again this is the internet so DIAF
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We can disagree on "near people", really it's a clouded statement. I was too strong in my statements earlier about it. Neither position is unreasonable, so it's very debatable.

However, I don't think anyone will argue that the fisherman has the right to enforce FAA regulations. Yet so many people are cheering him on, which is my problem with the whole thing.
 
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