"Housing Recovery" - My Disappointment

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fskimospy

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I'm really surprised people are paying cash for these properties given these record low mortgage rates.

As others have mentioned, it's simply due to demand. In Manhattan it is extremely difficult if not impossible to get a place using financing. Not because banks won't give it to you, but because if the place is worth a shit they probably have multiple all cash offers.

When I was looking for my place in Brooklyn I had a lot of problems competing with all cash buyers. The co-op structure helps with this some as it limits the ability of people to buy for speculative purposes, but it's still really tough.
 

desy

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Paid cash for my condo in Florida as prices were still depressed and just a nice window to get into the market.
I rent it out now but plan to get there in my retirement
 

Vic

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I'm really surprised people are paying cash for these properties given these record low mortgage rates.

Lending guidelines for mortgages are still incredibly tight, with many buyers (and sometimes the property) losing their financing in mid process. Sellers are more likely to accept a cash offer over a financed offer as it all but guarantees a quick closing.
 

boomerang

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Paid cash for my condo in Florida as prices were still depressed and just a nice window to get into the market.
I rent it out now but plan to get there in my retirement
In the process of buying one myself at the moment. We won't be renting it but we do intend to end up in Florida as our permanent residence.
 

zephyrprime

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I'm really surprised people are paying cash for these properties given these record low mortgage rates.

A lot of the buyers are investors. They buy in cash or they have a line of credit where they have 1 big loan and don't need individual loans for properties.
 

Fern

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A lot of the buyers are investors. They buy in cash or they have a line of credit where they have 1 big loan and don't need individual loans for properties.

It appears it may be. Check out this article (from last year): http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/behind-the-rise-in-house-prices-wall-street-buyers/

Large investment firms have spent billions of dollars over the last year buying homes in some of the nation’s most depressed markets. The influx has been so great, and the resulting price gains so big, that ordinary buyers are feeling squeezed out. Some are already wondering if prices will slump anew if the big money stops flowing.

“The growth is being propelled by institutional money,” said Suzanne Mistretta, an analyst at Fitch Ratings. “The question is how much the change in prices really reflects market demand, rather than one-off market shifts that may not be around in a couple years.”

Wall Street played a central role in the last housing boom by supplying easy — and, in retrospect, risky — mortgage financing. Now, investment companies like the Blackstone Group have swooped in, buying thousands of houses in the same areas where the financial crisis hit hardest.

Blackstone, which helped define a period of Wall Street hyperwealth, has bought some 26,000 homes in nine states. Colony Capital, a Los Angeles-based investment firm, is spending $250 million each month and already owns 10,000 properties. With little fanfare, these and other financial companies have become significant landlords on Main Street. Most of the firms are renting out the homes, with the possibility of unloading them at a profit when prices rise far enough.

Nationwide, 68 percent of the damaged homes sold in April went to investors, and only 19 percent to first-time home buyers, according to Campbell HousingPulse. That is helping to shore up prices and create confidence in the broader markets.

Wall Street again.

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That's the situation my wife and I ran into when we tried buying our first home this year. Everywhere we tried to make an offer on already had several cash offers above the asking price from real estate developers who were interested in snatching up cheap property and turning them into rentals. If the market peaks, they sell off the houses and make a bundle; if it stagnates, they can keep renting properties out indefinitely. It's a shrewd business tactic, but it absolutely kills the opportunity for first-time home buyers because most people simply can't compete with the cash these big firms bring to the table. What seller wants to wait for financing to clear when a big firm can hand them a suitcase full of cash without batting an eye? Yet another situation where we're letting greed erode the promise of upward-mobility that's the foundation of the American dream; the ability to own property is no longer an achievable goal for most people.
 

K1052

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In the markets that didn't totally tank it's limited supply. In markets that did it's investors.
 

Mai72

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My dad foreclosed on his house over 2 years ago. When my mom died he just walked away from the house and neglected his payments. Everything was in my mom's name anyway.

The house has been sitting vacant for over 2 years now. They haven't put it out in the market because they are worried about depressing the market. There are a lot of houses that should be for sale that are sitting vacant.
 

Vic

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My dad foreclosed on his house over 2 years ago. When my mom died he just walked away from the house and neglected his payments. Everything was in my mom's name anyway.

The house has been sitting vacant for over 2 years now. They haven't put it out in the market because they are worried about depressing the market. There are a lot of houses that should be for sale that are sitting vacant.

What state is this in? Most likely the bank hasn't been able to complete the foreclosure yet, and the property is still in your mom's name. A bank can't sell a house it doesn't own, regardless of how past due the mortgage is.
 
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Mai72

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What state is this in? Most likely the bank hasn't been able to complete the foreclosure yet, and the property is still in your mom's name. A bank can't sell a house it doesn't own, regardless of how past due the mortgage is.

I live in New Jersey.

I just gave an educated hunch. I don't know if this is the real reason why my dad's house hasn't been put up for sale yet. It made sense to me.

What's the normal turn around it takes for a bank to repossess a home and to put it back on the market?
 

Vic

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I live in New Jersey.

I just gave an educated hunch. I don't know if this is the real reason why my dad's house hasn't been put up for sale yet. It made sense to me.

What's the normal turn around it takes for a bank to repossess a home and to put it back on the market?

Heh. It varies greatly by state, but NJ has arguably the longest foreclosure time frame of any state. It's not unusual for it to take 4 to 5 years for a bank to be able complete the foreclosure process (repossess) and put the house on the market.
Check the county records (or just zillow) to see if your dad can move back in and live rent free.
 

Genx87

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The house next to mine that has sat vacant since March of 09 was finally sold to some property company in Jan of this year. But I am not sure what they are doing with it. It has new doors and windows and a construction crew was out for a couple months in the Spring. Yet I had to call the city today because their yard is about 2 feet high and very yellow with dandelions. The funny part is they did list it at 229 lmfao. Hard to sell a house in my area for that in pristine condition much less a yard that looks like that. The city already had a letter going out today about it to them. If they dont mow it the city will and charge the property.
 

Spungo

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A lot of the buyers are investors. They buy in cash or they have a line of credit where they have 1 big loan and don't need individual loans for properties.
Welcome to the fed's centrally planned "new normal" economy. Broken window theorists like Paul Krugman insist that creating huge asset bubbles and misallocating as much capital as possible is the only way to grow the economy. We can take comfort in knowing that we're not the only country run by morons. Sure we have cities like Phoenix where more than 10% of all houses and condos are vacant, but China has entire cities that are vacant. It's really amazing how far central planning can go without anyone stopping to ask if what they are doing makes sense.

Much of this is the product of low interest rates. Right now the 10 year bond rate is only 2.5%. A good stock might have a 4% dividend. Investment real estate has cap rates of 5% or higher, so that's where the money goes. If interest rates were a more reasonable number like 10%, the housing bubble would crash immediately. We would stop building ghost condos. The Chinese would stop building ghost cities.