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Houses Passes Bill for DC Statehood.

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Haha look at all the fear mongering deplorable’s. They are really timid people.
God forbid a place that has US Citizens give them a chance to vote.
But 2nd amendment MUH FEELS
Any whacky assed Libertarian idea, we need to promote the Constitution to everything.
 
BoomerD said:
The whole reason for creating the District of Colunbia was to eliminate the seat of Government being beholden to or favoring any one state in the union.
Puerto Rico should be given its independence and cut loose as a territory, eliminate the US citizenship for any/all PR natives...let those who live here apply for citizenship that would be automatically granted barring any felony convictions...deport those with convictions or refuse to apply.

Oh...btw, SHOULD both be granted statehood, odds are, each would get two Democratic senators...and no Republicans. 😛
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You rather cavalierly would strip over three million Americans of their citizenship.
 
Sunburn74 said:
The solution is pretty simple. Let the people of DC be able to register and vote in federal elections in a state of their choice. Seems the least hassle of all the options.
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That doesn't make any sense. The purpose of voting as a citizen of a state is to have representation that, one hopes, reflects the needs of you and your neighbors. Allowing them to pick "wherever" would effectively dilute all of those votes, wherever they are being sent, and someone in DC voting, for say Georgia, is never going to be represented by any legislator in Georgia.

If you mean either VA or MD, that could maybe work. ....would certainly piss off a lot of southern, western, and eastern VA, that's for sure. 😀

DC pretty much commands a heavy influence over those two states, anyway, much to the consternation of the more rural, highly conservative boonies of those states. MD is pretty much unrecoverable for the GOP, even as rural and agrarian as it is. sending DC votes to VA would do the same for that state. and it's not like this is a unique model in a lot of states: Chicago's commanding influence over all IL politics; NY city in NY
 
HomerJS said:
In case you didn't get his hint he doesn't want us jigaboos to get statehood
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yep.

Tom Cotton knows why DC is commonly called "chocolate city," and so do his supporters. If anyone doesn't understand the direct meaning behind his comments, that's their problem for being ignorant.
 
zinfamous said:
That doesn't make any sense. The purpose of voting as a citizen of a state is to have representation that, one hopes, reflects the needs of you and your neighbors. Allowing them to pick "wherever" would effectively dilute all of those votes, wherever they are being sent, and someone in DC voting, for say Georgia, is never going to be represented by any legislator in Georgia.

If you mean either VA or MD, that could maybe work. ....would certainly piss off a lot of southern, western, and eastern VA, that's for sure. 😀

DC pretty much commands a heavy influence over those two states, anyway, much to the consternation of the more rural, highly conservative boonies of those states. MD is pretty much unrecoverable for the GOP, even as rural and agrarian as it is. sending DC votes to VA would do the same for that state. and it's not like this is a unique model in a lot of states: Chicago's commanding influence over all IL politics; NY city in NY
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People of DC can vote for local government with local elections as they currently do.
For federal representation which is what statehood really grants, they can pick candidates from other states that reflect their interests. It actually would make DC extremely powerful as a voting bloc and not weak at all. They could for example all decide to vote in swing states like iowa or north carolina and really have a major impact on an election. Essentially allowing the people of DC to pick where-ever they want to vote would allow them to decide which states their vote would have the maximum impact. It would also force everyone running for congressional positions to have at least a little bit of a DC platform to sell to voters in case DC people are focusing on your state that year to vote in.
 
Sunburn74 said:
People of DC can vote for local government with local elections as they currently do.
For federal representation which is what statehood really grants, they can pick candidates from other states that reflect their interests. It actually would make DC extremely powerful as a voting bloc and not weak at all. They could for example all decide to vote in swing states like iowa or north carolina and really have a major impact on an election. Essentially allowing the people of DC to pick where-ever they want to vote would allow them to decide which states their vote would have the maximum impact. It would also force everyone running for congressional positions to have at least a little bit of a DC platform to sell to voters in case DC people are focusing on your state that year to vote in.
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Yeah we all know those blackies all vote the same because they all go to the same Church and stuff.
Don’t forget if DC was capable of voting as a block they should choose the smallest state and simply own the Senators & Representatives. How would the people of that State react about taxation without representation.
Just make DC a damn State and deplorable’s just accept this wouldn’t have happened if you didn’t elect a moron who wanted to hold a bible he has never read up at a Church he has never attended because Bunker Boy President didn’t want to look “weak”.
 
zinfamous said:
That doesn't make any sense. The purpose of voting as a citizen of a state is to have representation that, one hopes, reflects the needs of you and your neighbors. Allowing them to pick "wherever" would effectively dilute all of those votes, wherever they are being sent, and someone in DC voting, for say Georgia, is never going to be represented by any legislator in Georgia.

If you mean either VA or MD, that could maybe work. ....would certainly piss off a lot of southern, western, and eastern VA, that's for sure. 😀

DC pretty much commands a heavy influence over those two states, anyway, much to the consternation of the more rural, highly conservative boonies of those states. MD is pretty much unrecoverable for the GOP, even as rural and agrarian as it is. sending DC votes to VA would do the same for that state. and it's not like this is a unique model in a lot of states: Chicago's commanding influence over all IL politics; NY city in NY
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VA has effectively gone blue at this point.
 
BoomerD said:
PR gains independence and self rule. The union gains the loss of having to support what would otherwise be a 3rd world shithole.
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Just one way to start educating yourself about the complex relationship with PR. "support what would otherwise be a 3rd world shit hole" isn't quite the whole truth of it.

 
TheVrolok said:
Just one way to start educating yourself about the complex relationship with PR. "support what would otherwise be a 3rd world shit hole" isn't quite the whole truth of it.

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Not to mention, to the rest of the civilized world currently blocking travel from the US...3rd World Shithole is a very subjective term.
 
Sunburn74 said:
People of DC can vote for local government with local elections as they currently do.
For federal representation which is what statehood really grants, they can pick candidates from other states that reflect their interests. It actually would make DC extremely powerful as a voting bloc and not weak at all. They could for example all decide to vote in swing states like iowa or north carolina and really have a major impact on an election. Essentially allowing the people of DC to pick where-ever they want to vote would allow them to decide which states their vote would have the maximum impact. It would also force everyone running for congressional positions to have at least a little bit of a DC platform to sell to voters in case DC people are focusing on your state that year to vote in.
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Would those people then be subject to pay the same taxes as the folks in the state they choose?
 
as far as puerto rico, the residents have voted time and time again to NOT become a state in the US. they have had numerous occasions to become the 51st state and each time they themselves have voted against it.

also on DC:

the lack of statehood for the capital is enshrined in the Constitution. Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the document reads, “The Congress shall have Power To …exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States.”

the founders worried that if the capital were to be a state, the members of the government would be unduly beholden to it. Madison envisioned that voting members of a D.C. state would be able to ‘insult’ or ‘interrupt’ the proceedings of government to get their way, simply by virtue of physical proximity to the halls of power.

Congress, and the federal government maintains jurisdiction over the city.

regardless Democrat or Republican elected officials if made a state, there are valid reasons why our nation's capitol is not a state.
 
Jaskalas said:
That would be a lie.

The people in that District are represented.

https://norton.house.gov/
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District of Columbia voting rights - Wikipedia

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In the House of Representatives, the District is represented by a delegate, who is not allowed to vote on the House floor but can vote on procedural matters and in congressional committees. D.C. residents have no representation in the Senate. The Twenty-third Amendment, adopted in 1961, entitles the District to the same number of electoral votes as that of the least populous state in the election of the President and Vice President.
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A token seat in the house, no Senate seats, and underrepresentation at the electoral level. For practical matters, that means they are not represented, because DC residents are not represented as fully as other states' residents.
 
DC should be a state for sure. it has more people than WY which is a state and probably brings in more money as well. PR id probably let them vote to join as a state or leave as their own free country to govern as they please. But that option needs to happen as taxation without representation is wrong.
 
JWade said:
the founders worried that if the capital were to be a state, the members of the government would be unduly beholden to it. Madison envisioned that voting members of a D.C. state would be able to ‘insult’ or ‘interrupt’ the proceedings of government to get their way, simply by virtue of physical proximity to the halls of power.

Congress, and the federal government maintains jurisdiction over the city.

regardless Democrat or Republican elected officials if made a state, there are valid reasons why our nation's capitol is not a state.
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The reality is this could be dealt with by theoretically keeping, the White House, the US Capital building, the National Mall, and the Supreme Court as part of a remaining D.C. while essentially everything else could be made its own state. The reality is today the US federal government is vastly larger than it was during that period and the US government has plenty of resources which simply did not exist as of the 18th century US in terms of law enforcement personnel who can be called in for assistance if necessary. (Not to mention a peacetime standing army with many of the founding fathers assuming that such a thing would not truly exist.) In fact, essentially all these considerations still apply even if D.C. becomes a state since the state would still not be able to actually truly order these federal employees around.

(One secondary issue is Congress only spends a portion of their time in D.C. in the first place with air travel giving them an options to quickly leave the area on generally extended weekends, so the influence of the locals is not remotely like it arguably might have been in the past.)

Edit: With respect to Puerto Rico statehood, they DID vote in favor of it last time around. You could argue for a more explicit vote which is actually happening this November anyways, but part of the problem is the uncertainty they would be admitted if they voted yet. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...44/puerto-rico-pushes-for-statehood-explained
 
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This wouldn't be an issue at all if it looked like DC would go republican. Why not just go ahead and say it's all about getting another couple democrat senators and a congresscritter?
 
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