Houses Passes Bill for DC Statehood.

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fskimospy

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Starbuck1975 said:
The US Senate under Harry Reid short sightedly changed the filibuster rules. No honest person can deny this.
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It wasn’t short sighted, it was an acknowledgement that Republicans had no intention of honoring the deal they themselves demanded. If anything it was them finally seeing clearly after years of bad faith by conservatives.

Republicans demanded the filibuster be removed unless it was only used in extraordinary circumstances. They then proceeded to use it in all circumstances, so the terms of the deal were invoked and the filibuster eliminated.

Are you saying Harry Reid should have violated the agreement?
 
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Greenman

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fskimospy said:
Nice straw man, I don’t think the ends justify the means. I’m saying DC statehood fits entirely within the constitutional and historical aspects of the United States.

You didn’t grow up here so you’re ignorant of our country. Stop trying to tell us what it really is.
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I just want to preserve the words of P&N's leading progressive right here.
Hurleybird is a foreigner so his opinion on American matters doesn't count, he's ignorant. Thank God you were here to put him in his place spy. The guy was getting uppity! Next thing you know he'd be after our women and our jerbs.

Lets get them tiki torches and polo shirts out and clean this country up!
 
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Greenman said:
I just want to preserve the words of P&N's leading progressive right here.
Hurleybird is a foreigner so his opinion on American matters doesn't count, he's ignorant. Thank God you were here to put him in his place spy. The guy was getting uppity! Next thing you know he'd be after our women and our jerbs.

Lets get them tiki torches and polo shirts out and clean this country up!
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Thank you for preserving them!

We can both see he is ignorant from his statements, he got the Constitution and basic US history wrong. I imagine the reason for his ignorance is his lack of experience with the country. Do you think it's from some other cause? If so, I'm open to hearing alternative explanations.
 
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Fanatical Meat said:
Haha you are fighting with the wrong guy on this.
Irrelevant who “started” it & when. I’m a goal focused guy, the Politicians and goals I support are failing and they are failing because my guys aren’t playing big shenanigans. Time to change that.

Breaking point for me was Mitch giggle about would he seat a RBG replacement in the Presidents last year.
Fuck that guy, fuck him laughing about it
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I didn’t think we were fighting, although I will say Democrats were gloating and giggling about replacing conservative justices, until their candidate lost, and it wasn’t funny anymore. The amount of gloating in this very forum became a chorus right up to election day...and then Trump won.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
I didn’t think we were fighting, although I will say Democrats were gloating and giggling about replacing conservative justices, until their candidate lost, and it wasn’t funny anymore. The amount of gloating in this very forum became a chorus right up to election day...and then Trump won.
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Haha don’t care, it’s game time. Be prepared.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
To be clear, I am saying Harry Reid made a short sighted decision for which there were consequences.
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Are we going to do this again where you refuse to answer simple questions?

Should Harry Reid have upheld the agreement on the judicial filibuster or not?
 
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Fanatical Meat said:
Yup but I’ve learned every game you don’t play is lost. I’m very comfortable losing some battles vs losing all battles.
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Apparently the correct thing for Harry Reid to do is let Republicans filibuster judicial appointments while Democrats are in power and then not let Democrats filibuster judicial appointments when Republicans are in power.

Starbuck’s apparent advice for Harry Reid is ‘be the stupidest and most gullible person alive’.
 
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Fanatical Meat

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fskimospy said:
Apparently the correct thing for Harry Reid to do is let Republicans filibuster judicial appointments while Democrats are in power and then not let Democrats filibuster judicial appointments when Republicans are in power.

Starbuck’s apparent advice for Harry Reid is ‘be the stupidest and most gullible person alive’.
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Exactly. I’m sick and tired of this shit. I would have preferred some norms and some compromise to happen but the last 10 years has taught me that is impossible at the moment. Hopefully it will change and maybe gaming the system will bring back some level of normalcy.

Great example:
2017(ish) I remember posting about a wall compromise with one of our conservative members. I forgot the specifics but I remember saying wall for DACA Fix and more concise immigration rules? He said no....
I asked okay let’s pretend the wall matter can be resolved by us agreeing with each other what do you propose?
He said “I’ll let you raise taxes to pay for the wall”
That’s his idea of compromise and giving me something that I want? Does he really believe that raising taxes is the thing that would make me happy? How short sighted and completely devoid of anyone who has different priorities than him.
 
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Fanatical Meat said:
Exactly. I’m sick and tired of this shit. I would have preferred some norms and some compromise to happen but the last 10 years has taught me that is impossible at the moment. Hopefully it will change and maybe gaming the system will bring back some level of normalcy.

Great example:
2017(ish) I remember posting about a wall compromise with one of our conservative members. I forgot the specifics but I remember saying wall for DACA Fix and more concise immigration rules? He said no....
I asked okay let’s pretend the wall matter can be resolved by us agreeing with each other what do you propose?
He said “I’ll let you raise taxes to pay for the wall”
That’s his idea of compromise and giving me something that I want? Does he really believe that raising taxes is the thing that would make me happy? How short sighted and completely devoid of anyone who has different priorities than him.
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It’s as simple as this - when Democrats filibustered judges Republicans said they would nuke the filibuster if they didn’t stop. There is no reason to doubt them on this. If Democrats has tried to filibuster judges under Trump the Republicans would have obviously followed through with their threat. How is this not completely obvious to everyone.

The only mistake Harry Reid made was not nuking it sooner. (And not eliminating the filibuster entirely while he was at it)
 
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fskimospy said:
It’s as simple as this - when Democrats filibustered judges Republicans said they would nuke the filibuster if they didn’t stop. There is no reason to doubt them on this. If Democrats has tried to filibuster judges under Trump the Republicans would have obviously followed through with their threat. How is this not completely obvious to everyone.

The only mistake Harry Reid made was not nuking it sooner. (And not eliminating the filibuster entirely while he was at it)
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Threats and bluffs are a part of negotiating, but it was a mistake to eliminate bipartisanship in judicial appointments. Reid provided the GOP with a means to shape the judiciary.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
Threats and bluffs are a part of negotiating, but it was a mistake to eliminate bipartisanship in judicial appointments. Reid provided the GOP with a means to shape the judiciary.
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For the third time, should Harry Reid have breached the Senate agreement on judicial filibusters or not?

This is a very simple question.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
Partisan victories are almost always pyrrhic
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Don’t care at this time, a win even with damage is still better than being laughed at WHILE you are getting fucked.

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We all know you deal with a bully by hitting them. This is one area I disagree with my more liberal companions.
Even if hitting them makes it so you get hit harder. Even if it required multiple hits and multiple failures you will ultimately win or gain respect.
 
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Fanatical Meat said:
Don’t care at this time, a win even with damage is still better than being laughed at WHILE you are getting fucked.

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McConnell says Republicans would fill 2020 Supreme Court vacancy

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Tuesday that Republicans would fill a Supreme Court vacancy even if it occurs during the 2020 presidential election. McConnell was asked by …
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We all know you deal with a bully by hitting them. This is one area I disagree with my more liberal companions.
Even if hitting them makes it so you get hit harder. Even if it required multiple hits and multiple failures you will ultimately win or gain respect.
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But don’t you see, if Harry Reid had let Republicans prevent him from staffing the most important appeals court in the county then surely McConnell wouldn’t do this.
 
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fskimospy said:
But don’t you see, if Harry Reid had let Republicans prevent him from staffing the most important appeals court in the county then surely McConnell wouldn’t do this.
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Yeah the abject dishonesty of the poster you all are replying to shines through.
 
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