House to reconsider 2012 light bulb ban

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House to reconsider 2012 light bulb ban

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7:57 AM CDT, July 12, 2011
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The House of Representatives is expected to vote today on a bill to roll back light bulb efficiency standards passed five years ago that would effectively ban incandescent light bulbs in 2012.

The so-called light bulb ban has become a rallying point for conservatives, libertarians, and various free-market activists who deride what they see as unnecessary government interference in the marketplace.

A bill calling for light bulbs to become gradually more efficient beginning in 2012 and ending in 2020 -- what critics are calling a ban -- passed in 2007 with bipartisan support and was signed into law by then-President George W. Bush.

Because of those higher standards, traditional bulbs will likely be phased out, to be replaced with more efficient incandescent bulbs, compact fluorescents and LEDs.

Now Republicans are under considerable pressure to roll back those higher efficiency standards. The vote expected Tuesday a bill by Texas Congressman Joe Barton would do just that.

“The government has taken upon itself to decide what people should buy,“ said Myron Ebell, head of Freedom Action, an activist group he described as “hardcore free market.“

Ebell's group has been circulating a petition online that he said has garnered tens of thousands of signatures. Many of those who've signed have written their legislators urging an end to the ban.

The cause has other champions as well, including aspiring Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann and radio show host Glenn Beck.

Supporters of maintaining higher efficiency standards have been touting the economic benefits.

Even though fluorescent light bulbs cost about five times more than incandescents, Americans would save a total of $12 billion a year by 2020 if the standards are left in place due to lower electricity bills, said the Natural Resources Defense Council.

That works out to $85 per year for every household.

But what really motivated the higher standards to begin with was a desire to save energy and cut pollution. NRDC estimates the standards would eliminate the need to build 33 coal-fired power plants by 2020, when the standards are fully in effect.

“Clearly, consumers, the economy and the environment will suffer if these standards are repealed,“ said Jim Presswood, NRDC's federal energy policy director.

NRDC noted that incandescent light bulbs will still be available after the standards go into effect, just ones that are more efficient (and more expensive).

Other alternatives will also be available, including LED bulbs and compact fluorescents.

Concerns about the mercury in compact fluorescent bulbs have led some to rail against the higher standards. Mercury is a toxic substance that's been linked to developmental problems in children.

NRDC said that it is working with light bulb manufacturers to lower the amount of mercury that goes into the bulbs. Plus, the amount of mercury levels is tiny compared to the amount emitted by coal-fired power plants to power inefficient incandescent bulbs.

But for critics it's all about choice. If people want to save money over the long run by buying a fluorescent light bulb, that's fine -- they just don't want the government to force people to do it.

When it comes to reducing pollution, critics say cutting down on pollutants like sulfur dioxide that cause acid rain or asthma is a worthy cause. But they argue that going after carbon dioxide, the greenhouse gas that scientists believe causes global warming, is a waste of time.

Most of those who want to overturn the ban do not believe in global warming, despite the consensus among the scientific community.

“The evidence that the earth is warming up just isn't there,“ said Ebell. “It can't possibly be a crisis.“

Someone should tell them that business are actually on board with this. The mandate has forced bulb makers to shift to CFL and LED which consume far less power and lower electrical bills and far live longer lives. The bulbs themselves are more expensive but the prices have been coming down steadily over the last few years and you don't have to waste time replacing at the rate of incandescent (saves on labor). Once they conquer the issues/cost with dimmable LED bulbs nobody is going to want incandescents any more at all.
 

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The bulbs are more expensive but they cost the consumer less over the life of the bulb. In addition while they contain mercury themselves, the total mercury emissions when you take power into account are lower than with incandescents. You can get CFLs that put out the same quality of light as incandescent bulbs as well.

There's literally no downside to doing this.
 

nick1985

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Someone should tell the government that I can choose whatever fuck kind of bulb I want for my own fucking home. I dont give a shit what bulb uses more power, I'm an adult and am more than capable of deciding which bulbs to outfit my home with.
 

Craig234

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#1 legislative priority Republicans said they'd have after gaining the House: Jobs

# of jobs bills they've passed according to reports I've seen: 0

But there's a very long list of 'social conservative' legislation that helps them get votes to keep power. Here they're appealing to some childish petulance about light bulbs.
 

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Someone should tell the government that I can choose whatever fuck kind of bulb I want for my own fucking home. I dont give a shit what bulb uses more power, I'm an adult and am more than capable of deciding which bulbs to outfit my home with.

this and CFLs do not work everywhere. (frequent on/off & outside in the cold)

do they even make CFL/LED flood and spot light bulbs? the large ones
 

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Because of those higher standards, traditional bulbs will likely be phased out, to be replaced with more efficient incandescent bulbs, compact fluorescents and LEDs.
Where did these come from?
 

nick1985

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Here they're appealing to some childish petulance about light bulbs.

To me its not about the damn light bulbs, its about government intrusion in telling my how to live my life on an atomic level. IE: what kind of bulbs I am allowed to purchase.

Get your government hands off my electrical outlets.
 

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Dis is Ah-mur-ica!!! If ah wunt mer,... merc,... mero,.... bad stuff in mah light maker, dats mah chawce!!
 

Thump553

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About as significant as the flag burning amendment or the War on Christmas (C) Fox News.

They should be embarassed to be doing publicity stunts like this. The only reason for this is to get the public to blame the Dems and Obama for the bulb ban-when it was passed under GWB. It figures an idiot like Barton (remember him railing against the BP oil spill claims fund as a $32 billion dollar shakedown by the White House) is at the forefront here.
 

nick1985

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I don't care who passed the light bulb ban. Obama, Bush, or Lincoln. Whoever, doesn't matter.

Its stupid as hell
 

thraashman

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Someone should tell the government that I can choose whatever fuck kind of bulb I want for my own fucking home. I dont give a shit what bulb uses more power, I'm an adult and am more than capable of deciding which bulbs to outfit my home with.

Actually, they're not telling you that you can't buy them. They're telling companies that they can't sell or manufacture them. Guess the government should also stop mandating that seat belts should be in cars or that drugs sold should be FDA approved. Quit whining because despite you calling yourself and adult, you certainly spend a lot of time acting like a self-entitled child.
 

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You can still buy incandescent bulbs if this bill goes through. It's just that the new bulbs will be more efficient. Nobody's trying to stop you from buying incandescent bulbs no matter what the idiots on Faux & Fiends tell you. :rolleyes: The original bill was introduced by a republican under GWB.

The new bulbs will save approx 6 billion a year in electricity bills.
 

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This is America, if I want to limit your personal freedoms, that is my choice.

Now hmm, which one sounds better?

Moot.

They aren't limiting your personal choice - it's a fucking light bulb.

This is a bunch of red neck, chaw chewing, inbred, fucktard conservatives getting all uppity towards the elected President of the United State of America; they can't stomach it, so they are trying to find any little thing to oppose him.
 

Genx87

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Yes they do.

How long do they take to become bright? :D

I have a large light in my kitchen. In the winter it takes a couple mins before it becomes bright. My outside lights, never really approach fully bright in the winter.

As for the rest of my house. I replaced all of my bulbs. I honestly havent noticed a reduction in my electricity costs. The range is the same before and after I replaced the bulbs. The only thing I like about them is a reduction in heat output.

/shrug
 

nick1985

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Actually, they're not telling you that you can't buy them. They're telling companies that they can't sell or manufacture them.

Semantics. I love them!

Guess the government should also stop mandating that seat belts should be in cars or that drugs sold should be FDA approved. Quit whining because despite you calling yourself and adult, you certainly spend a lot of time acting like a self-entitled child.

Yeah, because equating CFL light bulbs to testing drugs is the same. Get real. Figures a big-government liberal like yourself would be cheerleading this intrusion. Color me suprised.

You spend a lot of your time acting like a stuck-up POS elitist snob. See, attacks are fun right?!
 

nick1985

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Moot.

They aren't limiting your personal choice - it's a fucking light bulb.

This is a bunch of red neck, chaw chewing, inbred, fucktard conservatives getting all uppity towards the elected President of the United State of America; they can't stomach it, so they are trying to find any little thing to oppose him.

I'm not sure why you haven't been banned yet.

Oh wait, I know.
 

K1052

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How long do they take to become bright? :D

I have a large light in my kitchen. In the winter it takes a couple mins before it becomes bright. My outside lights, never really approach fully bright in the winter.

As for the rest of my house. I replaced all of my bulbs. I honestly havent noticed a reduction in my electricity costs. The range is the same before and after I replaced the bulbs. The only thing I like about them is a reduction in heat output.

/shrug

Commercial is where the huge savings happen, in the hundreds or thousands of bulb range. Think hotels, retail, public areas, etc...

I just switched several hundred 65 watt incandescents in a number of our buildings out to 16 watt flood CFLs and saved the company about $30K in electrical expense this year alone.
 

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CFLs work well for some applications and horribly for others. they only cost less over the life of the bulb if they can be used in those applications that they're good at (being on for hours at a time in comfortable weather). for the bathroom or closet light that gets flipped on for a minute at a time or less they're a huge waste of money.
 

Jaskalas

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Commercial is where the huge savings happen, in the hundreds or thousands of bulb range. Think hotels, retail, public areas, etc...

Then they can CHOOSE to use them!

To hell with the forced banning of the light bulb.