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House Republican Voting Tactics - late-night votes on Fri./Sat. morning to avoid the press

conjur

No Lifer
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/johnmccaslin/jm20040713.shtml
If the trend continues, congressmen will have to stay up mighty late - or else awaken before the crack of dawn - to cast votes in the waning months of the 108th Congress.

Sleepy-eyed Democrats aren't amused by the Republican-led "wee-hour" voting, including a groggy Ohio Rep. Sherrod Brown, who calls the previous five days "a bad week in Washington."

"Never before when the Democrats were in control, or when Newt Gingrich was [Republican] speaker of the House, never before has this House of Representatives operated in such secrecy," he says.

"At 2:54 a.m. on a Friday in March," he begins, "the House cut veterans' benefits by three votes. At 2:39 a.m. on a Friday in April, the House slashed education and health care by five votes. At 1:56 a.m. on a Friday in May, the House passed the tax-cut bill, weighted especially towards millionaires, by a handful of votes."

Is that the worst of it?

"At 2:33 a.m. on a Friday in June, the House passed the Medicare privatization bill by one vote. At 12:57 a.m. on a Friday in June, the House eviscerated Head Start by one vote. And then, after returning from summer recess, at 12:12 a.m. on a Friday . . . the House voted $87 billion for Iraq," he continues.

Are you, sir, insinuating a Republican strategy - to cast votes in the dark of the night while newspapermen are home sleeping?

"Always in the middle of the night, always after the press had passed their deadlines, always after the American people had turned off the news and gone to bed," Brown insists.

"At best, Americans read a small story with a brief explanation of the bill and the vote count in the Saturday newspaper. And people here, the Republican leadership, know that Saturday is the least-read newspaper of the week."

How long has this been going on?

"In November, they did it again. The most sweeping changes in Medicare in its 38-year history were forced through the House at 5:55 on a Saturday morning."

Hmm...wonder why the Republicans waited until after press deadlines so news of legislation that was either detrimental or wasteful would go unnoticed by the American public.
 
You mean you believe that if something happens at 2AM Tuesday morning that people won't still be interested in reading about it on Thursday morning?

Press deadlines are overrated these days. The internet is the equalizer.
 
Originally posted by: smashp
Its the Effort they go to to hide things that should make you begin to wonder

What exactly are they hiding? This is the first I've heard of this kind of stuff and if it were such a big deal I'm sure it would show up in other news sources. I'll ask my friends who work in Washington about this immediately because even though I lean towards the Republican side this article does make things seem a little more shady than even portrayed in a Hollywood film! 😛

*EDIT*

Rofl, I love the Moore portion at the top of that link.
 
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
You mean you believe that if something happens at 2AM Tuesday morning that people won't still be interested in reading about it on Thursday morning?

Press deadlines are overrated these days. The internet is the equalizer.

Who pays attention to news over a weekend?

During the middle of the weeks, the markets are open and people pay closer attention to the news.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
You mean you believe that if something happens at 2AM Tuesday morning that people won't still be interested in reading about it on Thursday morning?

Press deadlines are overrated these days. The internet is the equalizer.

Who pays attention to news over a weekend?

During the middle of the weeks, the markets are open and people pay closer attention to the news.

Man... if the votes were about anything substantial then I'm sure it wouldn't matter if it happened on the 8th day of the week. People would know about it and care. Like I said though, I should have clarification in just a little bit because the idea of shady 2AM voting annoys me.
 
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: smashp
Its the Effort they go to to hide things that should make you begin to wonder

What exactly are they hiding? This is the first I've heard of this kind of stuff and if it were such a big deal I'm sure it would show up in other news sources. I'll ask my friends who work in Washington about this immediately because even though I lean towards the Republican side this article does make things seem a little more shady than even portrayed in a Hollywood film! 😛
Hello!?!? Do you even read your own posts?
  • "What exactly are they hiding?"

    "This is the first I've heard of this kind of stuff"
You answered your own question. That's exactly the point. It's the first you've heard of it because it's working.
 
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: smashp
Its the Effort they go to to hide things that should make you begin to wonder

What exactly are they hiding? This is the first I've heard of this kind of stuff and if it were such a big deal I'm sure it would show up in other news sources. I'll ask my friends who work in Washington about this immediately because even though I lean towards the Republican side this article does make things seem a little more shady than even portrayed in a Hollywood film! 😛
Hello!?!? Do you even read your own posts?
  • "What exactly are they hiding?"

    "This is the first I've heard of this kind of stuff"
You answered your own question. That's exactly the point. It's the first you've heard of it because it's working.

Hello!?!? Reading comprehension. Stop with the damn conspiracy theories seriously. IF THIS WERE SUCH A BIG DEAL SOMEONE ELSE WOULD HAVE REPORTED IT.

And btw, it's the first I've heard of them having votes at 2AM. That doesn't mean that I haven't heard of the exact legislation they're talking about. The article never mentions the exact legislation, just references things like veterans benefits and such.
 
Well considering many of the lazy b@stards fly to DC on Mon PM/TUE AM and then fly home on THU . . . I'm not all that disturbed if they have to keep late hours.

What does trouble me is that instead of vigorous discussion following by voting . . . they make backroom deals trying to secure the support of legislation that's written by a coterie of twits in the GOP leadership. Once their handiwork is exposed to the light of day . . . even GOP stalwarts start to balk at the steaming pile of poo. Accordingly, many GOPers are compelled to vote their conscience . . . or better yet they actually think about the legislation and vote their conscience. Poised at the precipice of defeat, the GOPie leadership then tosses a variety of carrots and sticks to convince legislators to change their votes.

IMHO, the Framers of the Constitution never intended votes to take place in the House and then held open until leadership gets the outcome it desires. Could you imagine our elections run in such a manner . . . oh, nevermind.
 
Like this, BBD?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37480-2004Jul8.html
House Republicans, under strong pressure from the White House, narrowly defeated an effort yesterday to water down the Bush administration's signature law to combat domestic terrorism.

By a 210 to 210 tie vote that GOP leaders prolonged for 23 tumultuous minutes while they corralled dissident members
, the House rejected a proposed change to the USA Patriot Act that would have barred the Justice Department from searching bookstore and library records. White House officials, citing the nearly three-year-old law's importance as an anti-terrorism tool, warned that an attempt to weaken it would be vetoed.

But the victory came only after GOP tactics infuriated Democrats and a number of Republicans. The vote, scheduled to last 15 minutes, dragged on for 38 minutes despite outraged shouts and a unified chant of "shame, shame, shame" from Democrats across the aisle.

The showdown was the latest in a series of bipartisan challenges this week on the House floor to administration positions on trade sanctions against Cuba, budget cuts in a major loan program of the Small Business Administration, and funding for programs promoting democracy abroad. Last month, the House approved a natural resources bill that slashed many of the Bush administration's initiatives in land conservation and the environment.

Last week, Senate negotiators, defying the White House, insisted on pushing for a six-year transportation bill costing $318 billion -- $62 billion above the administration ceiling.

With President Bush's approval rating slipping as a result of setbacks in the Iraq war, lawmakers in both parties appear emboldened to defy the White House and the House GOP leadership.

"The Republican leadership is out of control," said Rep. Martin T. Meehan (D-Mass.). "Today's vote on the Freedom to Read Protection Act is just the latest example of a growing trend towards abusive, closed-fist partisanship on the part of Republican House leadership."

Rep. C.L. Butch Otter (R-Idaho), a conservative and an advocate of the defeated provision, told reporters after the vote: "You win some, and some get stolen."

At one point the electronic tally board above the visitors' gallery showed the proposal passing, 219 to 201. But as the Republican whip organization went to work to get defectors to switch, the number of those voting for passage dropped steadily.

The final count recorded 18 Republicans joining 191 Democrats and Rep. Bernard Sanders (Vt.), the House's lone Independent and the chief author of the amendment to limit some powers of the Patriot Act. Sanders called the proceedings "an outrage" and "an insult to democracy."


The House has voted in the past to block portions of the Patriot Act, but Congress has never managed to alter any part of it. The law was quickly passed in the weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. It gave the government strong powers and leeway to conduct investigations and detain suspects.

Supporters of the Sanders proposal argued that fighting terrorism did not justify encroachments on basic liberties that are implicit in the broad authority the act gives to law enforcement agencies charged with hunting terrorists.

Addressing the House before the vote, Sanders said: "All of us want to support the law enforcement officials going after terrorists, but we can defeat terrorism without allowing the government to get a secret order from a secret court without any showing of any evidence that the person whose reading records are sought is engaged in any kind of illegal conduct."

His amendment had the support of groups that include the American Booksellers Association, the American Library Association and the PEN American Center, representing writers.

Supporters of the Patriot Act say authorities need to track potential al Qaeda members who communicate using Internet facilities in public libraries.

Under the current law, authorities need a special court order to require libraries and other venues to provide records on the sale or borrowing of books and on Internet sites used.

Rep. Frank R. Wolf (R-Va.), who chairs the subcommittee that drafted the underlying spending legislation before the House yesterday, said, "I believe the Patriot Act has helped" safeguard the safety of Americans.

Other Republicans said there were few examples of the act being used to invade the privacy of library users.

Yesterday's battle was over an amendment to a $39.8 billion bill financing the departments of Commerce, Justice and State for next year, which passed 397 to 18. The Senate has not taken up its version of the spending measure.

The floor fight was reminiscent of November's vote on a Medicare prescription drug program, when GOP House leaders kept the vote going for nearly three hours while they persuaded reluctant members to support passage of the bill.
 
This is dumb, both parties use late night votes all the time. Everyone in politics knows about it. Its even mentioned in the show on NBC, West Wing.
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
This is dumb, both parties use late night votes all the time. Everyone in politics knows about it. Its even mentioned in the show on NBC, West Wing.

Oh!

It's on TV???

Well, by golly it MUST be true!
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
This is dumb, both parties use late night votes all the time. Everyone in politics knows about it. Its even mentioned in the show on NBC, West Wing.
I hear many foreign governments torture POWs and prison inmates so I guess it's OK for . . . oops, nevermind.
 
"...the internet is the great equalizer"

From the UN development report

Number of Internet users per thousand: 551.4

The internet equalizes all those with a medium income, are literate, are computer literate, are comfortable with computers, have basic Net savvy, and use it as often as other media outlets.
 
Originally posted by: Kibbo
"...the internet is the great equalizer"

From the UN development report

Number of Internet users per thousand: 551.4

The internet equalizes all those with a medium income, are literate, are computer literate, are comfortable with computers, have basic Net savvy, and use it as often as other media outlets.
You are assuming that such people are seeking useful information (e.g. democracy at work) versus looking for pr0n, music, sports scores, or Britney's bust size this month . . .
 
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