House Passes 1/6 Commission

[K1052]

It isn't perfect. Nothing is. The border wall along with electronic monitoring, the Border Control patrols, remain in Mexico policy etc... All these work together to reduce illegal entry and allow a regulated controlled legal immigrant entry. And also reduces the flooding of illegal entry and the drugs and the trucks left abandoned in the desert packed full of smuggled dead migrants.

As it stands now we are aiding the death and drugs along with who knows what else. The border is out of control and we have no idea what is coming in.

But there really is no evidence of that. It's just rhetoric. It might feel good but as far as I can tell there is no substance to those kinds of claims.

 

[JD50]

Are trucks full of migrants off roading across large swaths of borderland or are they coming through roads and checkpoints that are already monitored?

If you want to make the argument of more of a border presence, checkpoints, personnel, etc...fine. But how does a wall stop a semi truck that I assume is likely coming through already established roads and points of entry.

It's like how they used those "caravans" as justification for a border wall. The caravans that bypassed thousands of miles of open borders and went to controlled points of entry.

 

[hal2kilo]

Just "a source" but this case needed to already be airtight given that they're going on sworn testimony only...and now this gives the RW ecosystem another get out of jail free card...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1541910389289635841

I guess you didn't get the memo where Trump surrounded himself with Trumper SS personnel. That whole organization should have had a total housecleaning when Biden got in office.

 

[IronWing]

OMG, really you are asking this?

Do you think it is under control?

Put up or shut time, geek.

 

[hal2kilo]

Well, some guy reported that some guy who is close to some other guys said those guys are willing to testify.

Really, this account that was told to Cassidy Hutchinson is just a wild sideline to the meat of her testimony. It really should be ignored unless someone with actual first-hand knowledge testifies.

She identified several actual witnesses to these events. Watch who gets subpoenaed or shows up for depositions next.

 

[hal2kilo]

Ginni’s lawyer has concerns.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1541952475191730179

I'm was again shocked beyond belief.

Ginni Thomas said she “can’t wait” for Jan. 6 interview. Now her lawyer says it’s too “stressful” | Salon.com

 

[akenbennu]

the vast majority of so-called Shocking Reveals thus far have not been shocking and not really a reveal.
I am disappointed in the commission but not really surprised either.

Any other presidency with the number of problems the Trump administration had would have been out of office in a heartbeat. But the Senate decided having power was more important than handling a bad situation and refused to do anything about it.

 

[pcgeek11]

I would say that it's pretty commonly understood that the term "leftist" is used for people who are DSA-types, anti-capitalists, communists, and other radical-left types, not those that would fall into the center-left/progressive camp. If you didn't mean it that way, well, it's not my fault you're using language in non-standard ways.

It's not my fault you are using the word in opposition of the dictionary meaning.

You might have had a point IF I had said Extreme Leftist, but I didn't.


noun
noun: leftist; plural noun: leftists

1. a person with left-wing political views.
   "these values are shared by many leftists"
   

adjective
adjective: leftist

1. having or relating to left-wing political views.
   "leftist groups"

LEFTIST Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com

LEFTIST definition: a member of the political Left or a person sympathetic to its views. See examples of leftist used in a sentence.

www.dictionary.com

Definition of leftist
noun
a member of the political Left or a person sympathetic to its views.
adjective
of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or advocated by the political Left.


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/leftism
Definition of leftism

1 : the principles and views of the left also : the movement embodying these principles

2 : advocacy of or adherence to the doctrines of the left

 

[ch33zw1z]

lol, those three "leftists" are what R's used to be. when you've gone so far right, everything looks left. #dealwithit

 

[pcgeek11]

Are trucks full of migrants off roading across large swaths of borderland or are they coming through roads and checkpoints that are already monitored?

If you want to make the argument of more of a border presence, checkpoints, personnel, etc...fine. But how does a wall stop a semi truck that I assume is likely coming through already established roads and points of entry.

IMO is if there is one truck with 50 dead migrants locked in the rear and many others on the edge of death that is too many. There are so many coming across that the border patrol do not have enough people to properly vet and monitor any areas properly. The administrations policies are encouraging the illegal crossings and human smuggling by the cartels. This administration is basically an accomplice to human and drug smuggling.

 

[pmv]

It's not my fault you are using the word in opposition of the dictionary meaning.

You might have had a point IF I had said Extreme Leftist, but I didn't.


noun
noun: leftist; plural noun: leftists

1. a person with left-wing political views.
   "these values are shared by many leftists"

adjective
adjective: leftist

1. having or relating to left-wing political views.
   "leftist groups"

LEFTIST Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com

LEFTIST definition: a member of the political Left or a person sympathetic to its views. See examples of leftist used in a sentence.

www.dictionary.com

Definition of leftist
noun
a member of the political Left or a person sympathetic to its views.
adjective
of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or advocated by the political Left.


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/leftism
Definition of leftism

1 : the principles and views of the left also : the movement embodying these principles

2 : advocacy of or adherence to the doctrines of the left

The only figures in US politics who come close to meeting that definition would be AOC and 'the squad', and maybe the DSA. Even then I'd call them 'centre left' or 'moderate left' at best. Far-left, insofar as it exists at all in the US, would be the SWP or the Spartacists or the IWW (if those factions still exist).

Mainstream democrats are liberals, and thus centrists (or even the right, as liberals are in most of the world).

 

[pcgeek11]

I’m asking what facts and figures have led you to your conclusion. You don’t need to dig up specific ones, just interested in the general categories.

Do you think the Border is under control?

CBP Releases March 2022 Monthly Operational Update

Securing America's Borders

www.cbp.gov

Nearly 1.06 Million CBP Encounters at Southwest Border Thus Far in FY 2022

The president may indeed have a border plan. It’s just one that focuses on the interests of the migrants themselves — not on the consequences of unrestrained illegal migration on our national security and sovereignty, or on the illegality that follows in its wake.

cis.org

Even more illegal migrants expected in 2022, record 2.1 million

Having already set a record for illegal border crossings in 2021, the Biden administration is expected to invite even more to cross this year, setting up

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[pcgeek11]

But there really is no evidence of that. It's just rhetoric. It might feel good but as far as I can tell there is no substance to those kinds of claims.

Well what we are doing now isn't working at all.
When we were building the wall and had the remain in Mexico policy etc the numbers were miniscule in comparison.

So you tell me what does work?

 

[GoPackGo]

The problem on the southern border is one of the nations own making. Both Republicans and Democrats have failed because they fail to see the bigger picture.

We need real immigration reform. I would suggest putting several Ellis Island type facilities down there. You get the word out that the only way to enter the US legally is through one of these facilities.

Then regarding the border you install more surveillance equipment and drones. You post signs that crossing this way is illegal if you are going this way then it is assumed you are dangerous criminal and border patrol can shoot to kill.

 

[kage69]

It boggles my mind that anyone could have voted for Trump in 2020 because at that point it was obvious he was a mentally I’ll criminal.

For people who say they couldn’t vote for Biden because he was too liberal my only thought is they need to grow up. I would have voted for ANY Republican not directly complicit in Trump’s criminal activity if they were the only alternative, even though I would totally hate their policies. Sometimes you have to put country first and that meant voting Biden.

There it is, in a nutshell. Pretty much my position verbatim since 2016, but applies even more for 2020. There is simply no excuse to be supporting this asshole after 2020, unless you believe in the downfall of our republic and the world order it helped build. Professional help and/or prison time is likely warranted. The traitors who may go violent deserve less consideration IMO.

 

[K1052]

Well what we are doing now isn't working at all.

So you tell me what does work?

I have some ideas:

Increased legal immigration, especially from Central/South America
A fairly liberal jobs based visa program for migrants from the same area
Ending the drug war to increase regional political stability and safety
Investments in climate adaptation for the Southern Hemisphere to reduce mass migration events
Encourage or even subsidize business expansion in these areas to create greater local economic prosperity to dampen impulses to migrate

 

[hal2kilo]

I have some ideas:

Increased legal immigration, especially from Central/South America
A fairly liberal jobs based visa program for migrants from the same area
Ending the drug war to increase regional political stability and safety
Investments in climate adaptation for the Southern Hemisphere to reduce mass migration events
Encourage or even subsidize business expansion in these areas to create greater local economic prosperity to dampen impulses to migrate

Big emphasis on your last suggestion.

 

[MrSquished]

IMO is if there is one truck with 50 dead migrants locked in the rear and many others on the edge of death that is too many. There are so many coming across that the border patrol do not have enough people to properly vet and monitor any areas properly. The administrations policies are encouraging the illegal crossings and human smuggling by the cartels. This administration is basically an accomplice to human and drug smuggling.

what is wrong with you? Smuggling across a legal border checkpoint happened and will happen under any president. How the fuck is that proof of a goddamn thing? Holy smokes.

 

[UNCjigga]

He should be put back of active duty and court marshalled.

I’d like to see him stripped of all stars if that happens. Run him back down to 2nd Lieutenant before dishonorable discharge. Wasn’t sure if that could be done.

 

[MrSquished]

It boggles my mind that anyone could have voted for Trump in 2020 because at that point it was obvious he was a mentally I’ll criminal.

For people who say they couldn’t vote for Biden because he was too liberal my only thought is they need to grow up. I would have voted for ANY Republican not directly complicit in Trump’s criminal activity if they were the only alternative, even though I would totally hate their policies. Sometimes you have to put country first and that meant voting Biden.

This. I would consider someone as possibly redeemable if they voted for Trump in 2016 but then realized what a loon he was and did not vote for him in 2020. Maybe even consider having a friendship with.

But anybody who voted for Trump in 2020 after seeing him in action, even if they say they were doing it holding their nose - I want zero relationship with them. They are missing fundamental morals and values that do not align with mine. I would not want to waste any of my time in three dimensional land with them at all.

 

[hal2kilo]

I’d like to see him stripped of all stars if that happens. Run him back down to 2nd Lieutenant before dishonorable discharge. Wasn’t sure if that could be done.

Possibly.

Americans demand court-martial for Flynn after call for military coup: 'Honor veterans — arrest this traitor' - Alternet.org

 

[IronWing]

IMO is if there is one truck with 50 dead migrants locked in the rear and many others on the edge of death that is too many. There are so many coming across that the border patrol do not have enough people to properly vet and monitor any areas properly. The administrations policies are encouraging the illegal crossings and human smuggling by the cartels. This administration is basically an accomplice to human and drug smuggling.

^ Liar spreading lies. The Border Patrol is a bloated agency with more overpaid agents than they know what to do with. Previous administrations and Congress turned it into a jobs program for veterans returning from America’s foreign adventures with no thought to mission. The agency needs a house cleaning top to bottom.

 

[fskimospy]

Do you think the Border is under control?

CBP Releases March 2022 Monthly Operational Update

Securing America's Borders

www.cbp.gov

Nearly 1.06 Million CBP Encounters at Southwest Border Thus Far in FY 2022

The president may indeed have a border plan. It’s just one that focuses on the interests of the migrants themselves — not on the consequences of unrestrained illegal migration on our national security and sovereignty, or on the illegality that follows in its wake.

cis.org

Even more illegal migrants expected in 2022, record 2.1 million

Having already set a record for illegal border crossings in 2021, the Biden administration is expected to invite even more to cross this year, setting up

www.washingtonexaminer.com

It's a little odd to say the border is out of control because the border patrol is arresting more people. Wouldn't that mean it was more under control?

 

[kage69]

The problem on the southern border is one of the nations own making. Both Republicans and Democrats have failed because they fail to see the bigger picture.

We need real immigration reform. I would suggest putting several Ellis Island type facilities down there. You get the word out that the only way to enter the US legally is through one of these facilities.

Then regarding the border you install more surveillance equipment and drones. You post signs that crossing this way is illegal if you are going this way then it is assumed you are dangerous criminal and border patrol can shoot to kill.

The problem is people like Greg Abbott. He's not interested in solutions, he's only here for control and PR stunts - see Texas power grid, or his little trucking stunt that netted zero drugs but fueled shortages while costing ~70million per day. Cut to last Monday and he's crowing about his border control methods then right to blaming Biden personally mere hours later for the dead people found in that abandoned truck.

There will be no such facilities there as long as Texas is red. They need this issue to fester and rot, to keep people outraged. Hate to break it to you, but Democrats aren't the ones trying to codify the fossil fuel industry into law while penalizing those who embrace non-fossil fuel energy. They largely accept that climate change is real so I think your appeal to BothSides regarding larger pictures is demonstrably false. Also, I seem to recall opinions differing considerably on issues like family seperations and the use of cages at the border. I'd be careful about lumping the two groups together on that issue in particular.

Not a fan of your shooting people dead idea. I'd rather those notices say something to the effect of 'Respect our laws and process or become denied forever. Illegal entry will be cause you to be documented and cataloged before release, and all future attempts of ingress, legal or otherwise, will be denied.' Save the bullets for the cartels.

 

[gothuevos]

IMO is if there is one truck with 50 dead migrants locked in the rear and many others on the edge of death that is too many. There are so many coming across that the border patrol do not have enough people to properly vet and monitor any areas properly. The administrations policies are encouraging the illegal crossings and human smuggling by the cartels. This administration is basically an accomplice to human and drug smuggling.

Of course it's tragic and one too many, but how does a wall stop smugglers from doing or trying this again? Wouldn't a wall just funnel them to existing points of entry, anyway? It doesn't stop the desperation of these people who are even willing to try this. Unless you are suggesting completely sealing the southern border.

Probably better to just go after the coyotes/cartels and reduce the conditions in their home countries that leads to this kind of desperate move.