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Shamrock

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Oh wow, Bernard Kerik just gave the commission a trove of documents, including a rough draft of Trump's "Strategic Communications Plan" in which Trump was going to seize the election machines in the states he lost. Also he pressured senators to vote against certifying the election.

 
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Oh wow, Bernard Kerik just gave the commission a trove of documents, including a rough draft of Trump's "Strategic Communications Plan" in which Trump was going to seize the election machines in the states he lost. Also he pressured senators to vote against certifying the election.

The only problem is that no matter how much evidence they get, I doubt those actually at the top get any punishment for their actions.
 
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Fenixgoon

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The only problem is that no matter how much evidence they get, I doubt those actually at the top get any punishment for their actions.
Garland. Time to wake up from your slumber.
agreed on both accounts. we're getting there, but there's only another year left.

Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, the vice chair of the committee and one of its two Republican members, told ABC News that the panel has "firsthand testimony" that during the attack, Trump's daughter and then-senior adviser Ivanka Trump asked him to intervene. And Rep. Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, told CNN the panel has "significant testimony" that the White House "had been told to do something."
 

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Cheney also said at the very least, he has dereliction of duty, among other potential criminal charges.
 

sportage

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I'll just say it.
I don't think Bennie Thompson is doing a very good job, not the job he needs to do. I've watched Bennie Thompson on various tv talk shows and he just seems not quite up to the job nor being the attack dog that he needs to be when dealing with Trump, Trump's people, and insurrection. If this committee has any hope of actually getting to the bottom line they need to precede in a different direction. Any failure with this committee will just further empower Donald Trump and THE BIG LIE.
That can't be good.

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HomerJS

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agreed on both accounts. we're getting there, but there's only another year left.

Can "firsthand" testimony come from someone in the room who heard Ivanka or would that testimony have to come from Ivanka herself??
 

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Can "firsthand" testimony come from someone in the room who heard Ivanka or would that testimony have to come from Ivanka herself??
If the person witnessed the conversation themselves that's firsthand. (ie: not hearsay)
 

trenchfoot

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It's Jarod throwing Ivanka under the bus!!!!!


The stage where it's Every Man For Himself isn't quite there yet. It'll be quite soon though when the Committee goes public with their findings. At the moment it seems those involved in the insurrection are either still negotiating for cover and immunity or bargaining for lesser charges via ratting others out with emphasis on their bosses.
 
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Gotta love the logic:

"If you're looking for A and find B then that means you were actually looking for B and since you aren't supposed to be looking for B you need to be prevented from looking for A as a preventative measure."
The argument is even more crazy then that. The real argument they are making is that Congress can only subpoena for the purpose of making better laws. That they have no power to subpoena in their role as oversite of the President.
This is basically an argument that Congress has no power over the entire Executive branch except to impeach. They also make the claim that the DOJ has no power over the President. They are making the soft claim that no one has any power to stop a President from doing anything he wants, no matter how unconstitutional or illegal, and can not even hold him accountable after he leaves office. They only have the balls to make that claim because they know the current President won't take advantage of it if they win.
 

kage69

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2 more days, then Trump the Twice Impeached Traitor is going to jerk it in public over how courageous he was exactly one year ago. Please let him go off script.

Also:

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The argument is even more crazy then that. The real argument they are making is that Congress can only subpoena for the purpose of making better laws. That they have no power to subpoena in their role as oversite of the President.
This is basically an argument that Congress has no power over the entire Executive branch except to impeach. They also make the claim that the DOJ has no power over the President. They are making the soft claim that no one has any power to stop a President from doing anything he wants, no matter how unconstitutional or illegal, and can not even hold him accountable after he leaves office. They only have the balls to make that claim because they know the current President won't take advantage of it if they win.

It is an attempt at obstruction and part of a series of bogus legal challenges to gum up the investigation from team Trump. We've seen the playbook before. There is no merit to their claim.

Firstly, it is not decided that you cannot impeach a former president. Most scholars say you can. So assuming they were only looking for criminal activity committed by the president for impeachment purposes, they probably have that authority anyway.

Aside from that, Congress has enormous oversight duties and not simply the crafting of new legislation.

There are also many parties involved here apart from the president, many of whom are currently in government including Congress itself who has the sole power to discipline or expel its own members.

Finally, from a simple legislative purpose, what could be more fundamental than legislation which governs how elections are conducted and secured? I think an attempted insurrection and attempted subversion of the legal process to transfer power to the newly elected President are pretty damn good reasons to look for opportunities to better secure future elections and transitions of power through legislative means.

See Watkins v. US for the Supreme Court's opinion on this. From the House's website on their rules:
In Watkins v. United States the Court described Congress' oversight power by stating that the "power of the Congress to conduct investigations is inherent in the legislative process. That power is broad." The Supreme Court also observed that "a legislative body cannot legislate wisely or effectively in the absence of information respecting the conditions which the legislation is intended to affect or change." The Legislative Reorganization Act of 1946 mandated that House and Senate committees exercise "continuous watchfulness" of the administration of laws and programs under their jurisdiction. The Legislative Reorganization Act of 1970 permitted House standing committees to "review and study, on a continuing basis, the application, administration and execution of laws" under its jurisdiction.

This is the kind of lawsuit I wish we had the balls to sanction people for bringing.
 
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Breaking today...

Public hearings will begin in weeks.

Sean Hannity has been requested by the Committee. Could it be Dems growing a pair forcing Hannity to testify in public? Don't know why they asked him, just slap with a subpoena. My guess they are doing it that way just for the talking point because they know he will not volunteer.
 

Fenixgoon

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Breaking today...

Public hearings will begin in weeks.

Sean Hannity has been requested by the Committee. Could it be Dems growing a pair forcing Hannity to testify in public? Don't know why they asked him, just slap with a subpoena. My guess they are doing it that way just for the talking point because they know he will not volunteer.
the J6C has released some of Hannity's texts to various whitehouse parties

In a text to Meadows on January 5, Hannity wrote that he was "very worried about the next 48 hours" and referred to then-Vice President Mike Pence, who oversaw the certification of the 2020 election, saying: "Pence Pressure. WH counsel will leave."
And on January 6, Hannity urged Meadows to tell Trump he should "ask people to peacefully leave the [C]apit[o]l."
December 31, 2020, exchange in which Hannity wrote to Meadows, "We can't lose the entire WH counsel's office. I do not see January 6 happening the way he is being told. After the 6th. [sic] He should announce will lead the nationwide effort to reform voting integrity. Go to Fl and watch Joe mess up daily. Stay engaged. When he speaks people will listen."
January 10 that Hannity sent to Meadows and Ohio Republican Rep. Jim Jordan: "Guys, we have a clear path to land the plane in 9 days. He can't mention the election again. Ever. I did not have a good call with him today. And worse, I'm not sure what is left to do or say, and I don't like not knowing if it's truly understood. Ideas?"
 
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January 10 that Hannity sent to Meadows and Ohio Republican Rep. Jim Jordan: "Guys, we have a clear path to land the plane in 9 days. He can't mention the election again. Ever. I did not have a good call with him today. And worse, I'm not sure what is left to do or say, and I don't like not knowing if it's truly understood. Ideas?"

Thats some of the batshit crazy.

Recall this article from 19


Hannity: I 'kind of enjoy' that nobody knows how much access I have to Trump

So, even Hannity found that the sock puppet was not reacting to string stimulus around this time. Its also very fucking telling that he is sort of the master puppeteer reporting to the others what kind of "convos" he was having with the Orange.

Imagine Cuomo pulling Hillary's strings... that's bat shit crazy man.
MSM enemy of the people? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
 
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kage69

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The guy who had to run from the mob, who had his security access disabled just before the insurrection, who wouldn't get into a car that Trump sent for him, is going to continue to suck shit and lie for the people that tried to make him a dead scapegoat.

Pity about Il Douche's cancellation, I guess Hannity finally talked him out of further self-incrimination. They don't want him trying to brag about his abuses again, like he just did about obstructing justice by firing James Comey. I'm a little dismayed, was looking forward to that dipshit reminding everyone why the 14th needs to be used on his sorry treasonous ass. Oh well.
 
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HomerJS

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Anyone catch Fox and Friends this morning? Did they discuss Hannity?

He needs to be questioned at one of the public hearings. Expose all the Fox bullshit. Nothing like primetime sunlight to make the roaches scatter.
 

hal2kilo

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I guess Navarro just doesn't give a shit. He thinks his ass will be pardoned or something.

Ex-Trump aide Peter Navarro says 100 House members were "ready" to carry out election coup | Salon.com

"My role in the whole thing was basically to provide Congress, via my reports, the analytical material they needed to actually make the challenges," Navarro explained. "And the president himself had distributed Volume One of the report to every member of the House and Senate a week or so earlier.

"It's a well thought-out plan based on sound, constitutional law and existing legislative precedent. And all it required was peace and calm on Capitol Hill for it to unfold," he added.

Navarro's "well thought-out plan" fell apart when Pence refused to object to the electoral results, after various legal experts made clear that the vice president's constitutionally-mandated role is ceremonial: He or she supervises the vote count, and nothing more.