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House GOP to Change Leadership Rules

BBond

Diamond Member
The values party is changing their own rule to allow Despicable DeLay to keep his leadership post.

Thanks, America. This is what we can expect from the next two years of Republican control.

House GOP to Change Leadership RulesHouse GOP to Change Leadership Rules

By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 16, 2004; 3:55 PM

House Republicans plan to change their rules in order to allow members indicted by state prosecutors to remain in a leadership post, a move designed to benefit Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) in case he is charged by a Texas grand jury that has indicted three of his political associates, GOP leaders said today.

The rules change, which leaders said is likely to be adopted Wednesday, comes as House Republicans return to Washington indebted to DeLay for the enhanced majority they won in this month's elections. DeLay led an aggressive redistricting effort in Texas last year that resulted in five Democratic House members retiring or losing reelection. It also triggered the grand jury inquiry into fundraising efforts related to the state legislature's redistricting actions.

House Republicans recognize that DeLay fought fiercely to widen their majority, and they are eager to protect him from an Austin-based investigation they view as baseless and partisan, said Rep. Eric I. Cantor (R-Va.), the GOP's chief deputy whip.

"That's why this [proposed rule change] is going to pass. . . . because there is a tremendous recognition that Tom DeLay led on the issue to produce five more seats in our majority," Cantor said after emerging from a meeting in which the Republican Conference welcomed new members and reelected Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and DeLay as its top leaders.

The rule change, proposed by Rep. Henry Bonilla (R-Tex.), would apply only to leaders indicted by a state prosecutor or grand jury. A party leader indicted by a federal court would have to step down at least temporarily. The GOP conference, however, could waive that restriction at any time. Bonilla's proposal will be among several rules changes that House Republicans will vote on in a closed meeting Wednesday.

"Congressman Bonilla's rule change is designed to prevent political manipulation of the process while preserving the original ethical principles of the rule," said Bonilla spokeswoman Taryn Fritz Walpole.

Several GOP aides agreed with Cantor that Republican members will change the rule if given the opportunity. Hastert and DeLay, meanwhile, are publicly taking a hands-off posture.

Asked whether he supported the change, Hastert told reporters, "that's going to be the will of the conference and we'll see what happens."

DeLay spokesman Stuart Roy said of his boss: "I believe his position is that the conference should do whatever the conference wants to do."

A Texas grand jury in September indicted three of DeLay's political associates on charges of using a political action committee to illegally collect corporate donations and funnel them to Texas legislative races.

The Texans for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee, known as TRMPAC, is closely associated with DeLay. DeLay has said he has not acted improperly and has no reason to believe he is a target of the grand jury, which continues to look into the matter.

The House ethics committee on Oct. 6 admonished DeLay for asking federal aviation officials to track an airplane involved in the highly contentious 2003 redistricting battle, and for conduct that suggested political donations might influence legislative action. The ethics panel deferred action on a complaint related to TRMPAC, noting that the grand jury has not finished its work.

The Texas investigation is headed by Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle, a Democrat who has been bitterly criticized by DeLay supporters. Cantor today called Earle's efforts "a witch hunt."

"It's a totally a partisan exercise," Cantor said. "It's coincidental with what's going on up here [in the Capitol], where they are trying every avenue to go after Tom DeLay because they can't beat him" on the House floor or in congressional elections. Changing the rule is not a sign that lawmakers think DeLay will be indicted, Cantor said, but rather a public rebuke of an investigation they feel is wholly unwarranted.

House Republicans and Democrats set their own rules for organizing their caucuses. These are different from the rules that govern House committee and floor procedures, which must be adopted by the full House.

House Republicans in 1993 -- trying to underscore the ethics problems of Dan Rostenkowski (D-Ill.), then-chairman of the Ways and Means Committee -- adopted the rule that requires a party leader to surrender his or her post if indicted by any grand jury, federal or state.

 
When the Dems changed the rules regarding confirmation of judges to require a super-majority, did you cry foul then?
 
House Republicans plan to change their rules in order to allow members indicted by state prosecutors to remain in a leadership post, a move designed to benefit Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) in case he is charged by a Texas grand jury that has indicted three of his political associates, GOP leaders said today.

WTF????


By all means, let's have accused criminals in leadership positions in our government.


Amazing, simply amazing the fvcking nerve.
 
Originally posted by: X-Man
When the Dems changed the rules regarding confirmation of judges to require a super-majority, did you cry foul then?

Where is the criminal connection there?

Keep firing the chaff and ignoring the truth.

 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: X-Man
When the Dems changed the rules regarding confirmation of judges to require a super-majority, did you cry foul then?

Where is the criminal connection there?

Keep firing the chaff and ignoring the truth.

Last time I checked, DeLay hasn't yet been convicted of a crime. At such a time, then by all means, he should be kicked off of the committee. In this country we have a little thing called innocent-until-proven-guilty. I guess it doesn't apply if you're a conservative.

And the connection is one of the political parties changing the rules of Congress. It was no more right when the Dems did it than what the Republicans just did. Not calling them both out is hypocrisy.
 
Indictments & arrests are meaningless and should be ignored.

Convictions should be all that matters.

I'm not a DeLay fan either...
 
Originally posted by: X-Man
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: X-Man
When the Dems changed the rules regarding confirmation of judges to require a super-majority, did you cry foul then?

Where is the criminal connection there?

Keep firing the chaff and ignoring the truth.

Last time I checked, DeLay hasn't yet been convicted of a crime. At such a time, then by all means, he should be kicked off of the committee. In this country we have a little thing called innocent-until-proven-guilty. I guess it doesn't apply if you're a conservative.

And the connection is one of the political parties changing the rules of Congress. It was no more right when the Dems did it than what the Republicans just did. Not calling them both out is hypocrisy.

Frist backs rule change on judges
Conservatives and members of the Senate Republican leadership say that Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) is committed to using a controversial procedural tactic that would rewrite the chamber?s filibuster rule.

This implies that currently, the rules are Senators can filibuster whatever they want including judical nominees. The Republicans want to change the rules and not the other way around. This happens all the time with the party in power. They want to change the rules to favor themselves. Only thing is, when your side loses power, payback will be in order because Senators have a long memory.

Of course I expect nothing less from this former cockroach exterminator to do everything to save his political career.
 
Originally posted by: X-Man
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: X-Man
When the Dems changed the rules regarding confirmation of judges to require a super-majority, did you cry foul then?

Where is the criminal connection there?

Keep firing the chaff and ignoring the truth.

Last time I checked, DeLay hasn't yet been convicted of a crime. At such a time, then by all means, he should be kicked off of the committee. In this country we have a little thing called innocent-until-proven-guilty. I guess it doesn't apply if you're a conservative.

And the connection is one of the political parties changing the rules of Congress. It was no more right when the Dems did it than what the Republicans just did. Not calling them both out is hypocrisy.

The Republicans created the rule themselves to attack Dan Rostenkowski. What part of that don't you understand? The Republicans made the rule that requirds a party leader to surrender his or her post if indicted by any grand jury, federal or state. NOT CONVICTED OF A CRIME.

If you'd like to begin a thread on Democratic rules changes, by all means do so. This thread is on the Republicans who live by their own set of rules while the hold everyone else to another.



 
Ummm. . . why do you care what they do in their party? It's interesting, and would make me think twice about voting for Delay if that were even close to possible, but it doesn't really mean much.

Party management really only affects two things:

1. How party members feel towards the party, leading to an increase or decrease of party membership.
2. Selection of intra-party positions, which will have a negative or positive effect on the overall electability and effectiveness of the party.

If they have made a bad choice w/r/t internal administrative policy, they will pay for it.
 
Political parties should be banned, even if a Constitutional amendment is required. They are a blight on the land.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
House Republicans plan to change their rules in order to allow members indicted by state prosecutors to remain in a leadership post, a move designed to benefit Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) in case he is charged by a Texas grand jury that has indicted three of his political associates, GOP leaders said today.

WTF????


By all means, let's have accused criminals in leadership positions in our government.


Amazing, simply amazing the fvcking nerve.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. You don't believe in the rule of law?
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: conjur
House Republicans plan to change their rules in order to allow members indicted by state prosecutors to remain in a leadership post, a move designed to benefit Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) in case he is charged by a Texas grand jury that has indicted three of his political associates, GOP leaders said today.

WTF????


By all means, let's have accused criminals in leadership positions in our government.


Amazing, simply amazing the fvcking nerve.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. You don't believe in the rule of law?

For godsake read the last paragraph of the OP. The Republicans created the rule to get Rostankowski. Now they want to repeal it when it applies to DeLay. DeLay stepping down IS THE RULE OF LAW!

 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: conjur
House Republicans plan to change their rules in order to allow members indicted by state prosecutors to remain in a leadership post, a move designed to benefit Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) in case he is charged by a Texas grand jury that has indicted three of his political associates, GOP leaders said today.

WTF????


By all means, let's have accused criminals in leadership positions in our government.


Amazing, simply amazing the fvcking nerve.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. You don't believe in the rule of law?

For godsake read the last paragraph of the OP. The Republicans created the rule to get Rostankowski. Now they want to repeal it when it applies to DeLay. DeLay stepping down IS THE RULE OF LAW!

First off, a rule isn't the same as law and secondly, he hasn't even been indicted.

Just out of curiosity, are you aware of the crimes that Rostenkowski was convicted of?
 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: conjur
House Republicans plan to change their rules in order to allow members indicted by state prosecutors to remain in a leadership post, a move designed to benefit Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) in case he is charged by a Texas grand jury that has indicted three of his political associates, GOP leaders said today.
WTF????


By all means, let's have accused criminals in leadership positions in our government.


Amazing, simply amazing the fvcking nerve.
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. You don't believe in the rule of law?
For godsake read the last paragraph of the OP. The Republicans created the rule to get Rostankowski. Now they want to repeal it when it applies to DeLay. DeLay stepping down IS THE RULE OF LAW!
I agreed with the creation of the rule then and it needs to stand now.

The problem is that Tom DeLay is a very powerful fund raiser for the GOP and they don't want to see him lose his power.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
The problem is that Tom DeLay is a very powerful fund raiser for the GOP and they don't want to see him lose his power.

Yeah, it's unlikely that they will back off and risk losing that scumbag DeLay. They need him. Sad but true.
 
Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: conjur
The problem is that Tom DeLay is a very powerful fund raiser for the GOP and they don't want to see him lose his power.
Yeah, it's unlikely that they will back off and risk losing that scumbag DeLay. They need him. Sad but true.
DeLay Incorporated (PBS' Now with Bill Moyers)

http://www.pbs.org/now/thisweek/index_061104.html

Direct link to video:
http://www.pbs.org/cgi-registr...ia_player%2Fvideo.html
 
Originally posted by: conjur
House Republicans plan to change their rules in order to allow members indicted by state prosecutors to remain in a leadership post, a move designed to benefit Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) in case he is charged by a Texas grand jury that has indicted three of his political associates, GOP leaders said today.

WTF????


By all means, let's have accused criminals in leadership positions in our government.


Amazing, simply amazing the fvcking nerve.

Fascism here we come! :gift:
 
Originally posted by: conjur

DeLay Incorporated (PBS' Now with Bill Moyers)

http://www.pbs.org/now/thisweek/index_061104.html

Direct link to video:
http://www.pbs.org/cgi-registr...ia_player%2Fvideo.html

heh, yeah...I've read about that and more. But some people seem to be blinded by partisanship and have little or no problem with DeLay. Personally, I don't give a rats a$$ if he's a republican or democrat. A scumbag is a scumbag. The sooner he's out of politics the better.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: conjur
House Republicans plan to change their rules in order to allow members indicted by state prosecutors to remain in a leadership post, a move designed to benefit Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) in case he is charged by a Texas grand jury that has indicted three of his political associates, GOP leaders said today.

WTF????


By all means, let's have accused criminals in leadership positions in our government.


Amazing, simply amazing the fvcking nerve.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. You don't believe in the rule of law?

For godsake read the last paragraph of the OP. The Republicans created the rule to get Rostankowski. Now they want to repeal it when it applies to DeLay. DeLay stepping down IS THE RULE OF LAW!

First off, a rule isn't the same as law and secondly, he hasn't even been indicted.

Just out of curiosity, are you aware of the crimes that Rostenkowski was convicted of?

Out of curiosity? Or to change the subject from the Republican hypocrits who want to change the rules when it's they who are in the hot seat? And no one said DeLay is indicted...yet. Frist and his accomplices want to change the rule in the event of DeLay's indictment.

Rostenkowski had a 17 charge indictment brought against him. He was convicted of one count of mail fraud and served 17 months in federal prison.

Will the Republicans change more rules to keep DeLay out of jail? I know, how about a rule that says no Republican Party majority leader from Texas can be indicted. That sounds like something Frist would come up with.

 
Originally posted by: tallest1
Originally posted by: conjur
House Republicans plan to change their rules in order to allow members indicted by state prosecutors to remain in a leadership post, a move designed to benefit Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) in case he is charged by a Texas grand jury that has indicted three of his political associates, GOP leaders said today.

WTF????


By all means, let's have accused criminals in leadership positions in our government.


Amazing, simply amazing the fvcking nerve.

Fascism here we come! :gift:

 
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

 
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