House Democrats are turning on themselves ...

[Jhhnn]

I was watching PBS, I think it was after the state of the union, and one of the commentators made a very good point that I wish democrats would figure out. Mid-term cross party wins are a rebuke of the current president, not affirmation of the winning party's policies. He then went on to describe how both sides have misread these signs in the past and lost the following presidential election because people didn't actually like their ideas as much as they thought they did, the people just wanted a check on the president.

Well, yeh, that might have been true in normal pre-9/11 pre-Trump America. There's nothing normal about Trump at all. He's a complete anomaly.

 

[ivwshane]

He's the furthest thing from a "righty" you fucking moron. Have you considered donating your empty brain?

And you liked his post without a hint of irony.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Can you explain how Democrats voting in lockstep for a procedural vote hampers the purpose of electing individuals to Congress?

It hampers everything you fucking moron. We weren't meant to "vote as parties" we were meant to vote as representatives of our respective districts you insignificant fucking stupid dolt. Consider donating your brain cells to to the nearest bridge.

Your level of stupid is just leaps and bounds over the average.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

And you liked his post without a hint of irony.

Right, because likes are strictly partisan you incompetent fool.

We honestly need to advocate Trump to not jump off a bridge so that you hopefully do to spite him you fucking moron.

 

[ivwshane]

Right, because likes are strictly partisan you incompetent fool.

We honestly need to advocate Trump to not jump off a bridge so that you hopefully do to spite him you fucking moron.

You aren't smart enough to understand what's going on. Probably because you are a brainwashed idiot.

 

[brandonbull]

Or we could just report to ICE the ones trying to purchase guns.

I thought the Liberals were all about "common sense" gun control.

 

[brandonbull]

Illegals are people too! They deserve legal gun ownersh---- oh wait were against guns in general aren't we?

Shit I keep forgetting what our agenda is.

Better settle down or you will be put on a list along with rogue Democrats.

 

[ivwshane]

It hampers everything you fucking moron. We weren't meant to "vote as parties" we were meant to vote as representatives of our respective districts you insignificant fucking stupid dolt. Consider donating your brain cells to to the nearest bridge.

Your level of stupid is just leaps and bounds over the average.

Lol you once again prove just how fucking dumb you are. This country has always had parties to vote for. Do you know why? Because parties are a quick way to identify ones general position on major issues without having politicians explain themselves day in and day out to people who have too much to do to follow the political life of every politician that might represent them.

You'd know this basic shit if you went such a fucking tool, incapable of thinking for yourself.

I await your next dumb ass reply.

 

[brandonbull]

It's a procedural motion which caused the dust up. They've lost two YTD due to D defections to the minority position.

Rs lost 0 of these since 2010.

Pelosi was hammering the caucus, and AOC was tag teaming, basically threatening the lack of discipline, and how it's going to cost them bigly down the line on major issues if they don't pull their shit together.

Coach was right to pull the team in for an ass kicking.

Sounds like someone is on the party first wagon.

 

[ivwshane]

I thought the Liberals were all about "common sense" gun control.

And I thought righties were against big government. Or are you now of the opinion that ICE should be acting as a federal police force asking for people for their papers?

 

[ivwshane]

Sounds like someone is on the party first wagon.

Looks like you have company!

 

[brandonbull]

And I thought righties were against big government. Or are you now of the opinion that ICE should be acting as a federal police force asking for people for their papers?

When it comes to things called "background checks", I'm pretty sure the idea is that you are "presenting your papers". Holy shit what a moron, and you called other people out as having stupid posts. Basically, you have a cooler full of beer for people to hold when it comes to making stupid responses.

 

[Paladin3]

AOC isn't about herself, she's about:
- medicare for all
- a living minimum wage
- a guarantee of a job

That is easy to support.. healthy people who are working, and able to feed and house their family are happy people. Unlike the raging Trumpanzees.

And really do look at the flip side. The GOP are blindly following Trump like a religious cult.

Blindly following anyone is bad. I'd much rather our elected officials follow the will of those who voted for them, not those who are threatening to use their political power against them for falling out of lockstep. And this goes for both sides.

I am a law-abiding citizen, but I had a traffic ticket I forgot to pay so my last application to buy a gun was denied. But American lawmakers are voting illegal immigrants should not be reported for attempting to buy a gun??? Fucking madness.

Any reply you make to this post better address the points I am making, and not just attempt to do a "whatabout!!!" or label me a Trump supported and defacto wrong.

 

[Jhhnn]

I thought the Liberals were all about "common sense" gun control.

Which is the job of BATFE, not ICE.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Which is the job of BATFE, not ICE.

fucking lolz. Love how you have a selection of law enforcement...

"Ice is too stupid to regulate gun controls"

"XX or YY is completely reasonable for regulating gun controls"

Oh those sweet juicy liberal cuck tears.

 

[brandonbull]

Which is the job of BATFE, not ICE.

One manages guns and the other manages immigrants. So is the BATFE ATF in the immigrant managing business or is ICE still doing that? Anywho, I thought the FBI was in the firearm background checkin business and not the ATF.

 

[Paladin3]

How many illegal aliens do you personally know that go to buy a gun from a gun store?

So don't worry about the ones who try to? Either guns are a problem or they are not. You can't have it both ways.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

So don't worry about the ones who try to? Either guns are a problem or they are not. You can't have it both ways.

Can't have it both ways? While I agree - they sure as fuck will try.

Somehow you have to have your head up your ass advocating for illegal immigrants - but at the same time advocating against guns. When those two cross you simply go full retard and hope no one questions you.

 

[Paladin3]

Not 'free'. National healthcare, nothing is free.

I have zero respect for anyone who favors "free" healthcare, but has no concept, idea or even concern for how we would pay for it. I think healthcare for all is EXACTLY the kind of thing society should provide to their citizens, and one of the things a limited government should be tackling, but we have to come up with a rational plan to pay for it. You can't just vote for prosperity, as so many believe. There is no endless well of magic money.

 

[Paladin3]

Can you explain how Democrats voting in lockstep for a procedural vote hampers the purpose of electing individuals to Congress?

I think FORCING them to vote in lockstep is the problem. If they willingly do so because they believe it's the right way to vote, or if their constituents want them to vote that way then it's fine. But if they are forced to because otherwise the political power of their party will work to subvert the will of those who elected them and get them tossed out of office, then it's morally wrong and counter to what democracy is supposedly all about.

Or maybe I'm just wonderfully naive. I've always admitted I'm a pretty simple man. Maybe it's better they are forced to vote as a party so they can at least accomplish something? Sort of working a flawed system to their advantage, because the opposition is surely voting as a block?

Did I just answer my own question? Jesus, my brain hurts. I worry too much about what I'd like to see happen in a perfect world. Time to go fishing.

 

[cytg111]

I hope she can transform the current doing nothing actions on the environment with some of her ideas. About her not being selfish, you're putting a lot of faith into a newly minted politician. She may have that vaile, but let her get banged up a bit in the political machine that's been churning on it's own since We The People.

Those aren't my values, but how does she plan to attain them when she just chased away 2 parts of her plan in Amazon? They were going to provide needed jobs and they could have funded her drain the rich, feed the poor philosophy.

I'd support free health care.

I don't get though how you guys hate Trump because he's 'blindly' followed, but you love that Ocasio Cortez wants to be 'blindly' followed.

She is where she is now cause she has been rewarded for sticking to her ideals... I dont see her getting roughed up a bit changing anything rather the other way around. We shall see.
Also, in this effen climate, not getting your ducks in a row, would be brain dead... and dem thinking otherwise is a borderline traitor.. need to get Trump and Vlad and Mitch out first, take your country back... THEN bicker loudly amongst themselves... Its a national emergency and the NE is Trump.
Cant go to war with a solider saying "Hey them Talibans aint so bad?".

 

[Paladin3]

Lol you once again prove just how fucking dumb you are. This country has always had parties to vote for. Do you know why? Because parties are a quick way to identify ones general position on major issues without having politicians explain themselves day in and day out to people who have too much to do to follow the political life of every politician that might represent them.

You'd know this basic shit if you went such a fucking tool, incapable of thinking for yourself.

I await your next dumb ass reply.

Isn't voting for parties because you don't want to consider what your candidate actually stands for a perfect example of being a fucking tool, incapable of thinking for yourself?

 

[cytg111]

Sounds like someone is on the party first wagon.

Maybe they are just on the anti you wagon.

 

[DarthKyrie]

Blindly following anyone is bad. I'd much rather our elected officials follow the will of those who voted for them, not those who are threatening to use their political power against them for falling out of lockstep. And this goes for both sides.

I am a law-abiding citizen, but I had a traffic ticket I forgot to pay so my last application to buy a gun was denied. But American lawmakers are voting illegal immigrants should not be reported for attempting to buy a gun??? Fucking madness.

Any reply you make to this post better address the points I am making, and not just attempt to do a "whatabout!!!" or label me a Trump supported and defacto wrong.

This is just wow. How the hell does a traffic ticket have any bearing on a person's ability to own a firearm? I'm all for background checks but unless that traffic ticket is for some kind of felony it should have no bearing on your ability to own a gun. That is right up there with not allowing someone to rent an apartment because they don't have a rental history even thou the person is only 18 or 19 and employed full time.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This thread is amusing. I find republicans concern about voting for party first just hilarious. Concern about the internal strife of the dem's even funnier.

AOC is young and fully of Moxy, ready to take on the world, and fighting for what she believes in. I'm about 10 years older than her, but didn't start paying attention to politics until I was late 20's. We watched the last 12 years unfold while the R's radicalized their base, and proudly professed outright obstructionist actions which seemed cheered on by their loyal voters.

If you think D's aren't gonna fight amongst themselves while new blood tries to assert their presence, then you're not paying attention.

Regarding what the Dems are arguing about....I find the amendment nothing more than feels. Do illegals even have the proper documentation to apply for a gun license? I dunno, I'll Google it later though. If they're legally allowed to, is ICE being alerted just because they're illegal immigrants? or because they're illegal immigrants AND fail the background check?

I personally have no problem with the amendment at this point, new details over evidence can change my view, even though it just seems like feels to get some R's onboard (not many anyways). While ICE is a relatively new part of the government, and we can debate the extent of their reach, the amendment is ok overall and should be something we want anyways. I mean, if the ATF can ban state legal MMJ patients from gun ownership, why would be allow illegal aliens to own a legal firearm?

I also get AOCs sentiment. R's have been fully unwilling to cooperate on any number of topics for a decade. And gun control measures have gone nowhere since the rights radical swing. Why give anything away while you control the voting body?

One things for sure, there's so many kids that just grew up in a state of fear, worried they'll be the next victim of a heavily armed mental health fiasco, that will influence they're votes for a lifetime, IMO.