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Democratic old gaurd needs to get with the program or go away; AOC is right.

Exactly unfortunately the establo-bro shills don't realize it yet. and the longer it takes them to the greater chance they give the republican party to shuck the weight around their neck that is known as Trump.
 

Jhhnn

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Exactly unfortunately the establo-bro shills don't realize it yet. and the longer it takes them to the greater chance they give the republican party to shuck the weight around their neck that is known as Trump.

Is there a purity test? Should we purge the unbelievers?
 

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It’s not the Boomer’s that broke ranks. Many of the moderate Democrat freshmen broke ranks, to include Conor Lamb. When you run moderate candidates in purple districts that share some values with the opposition, they will occasionally break ranks.

Also, GenX are not lock step with Millennials.

This makes one wonder why the Democratic Party doesn't actively try to run candidates who are noticeably more liberal / progressive / leftist in the solid blue states? It seems a bit more logical than just running moderates in all the elections no matter if the race is taking place in a swing state for a more liberal place like CA or NY

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/23/democratic-party-leadership-moderates-dccc/

If party elites were merely strategic actors, the data would show higher support for moderate candidates in swing races, while not showing as much support in seats that were either safe or out of reach. That’s not the case. In Hassell’s findings, parties consistently supported the more moderate primary candidate, regardless of the expected outcome of the general election. Even after excluding incumbents — which party committees almost always support — support for moderates holds. It’s also consistent regardless of party. And while this data set used Senate races, for his book Hassell also measured House races, finding the same result.

“Party elites are not systematically showing any preference for more moderate candidates in competitive districts,” Hassell writes. In fact, the pull for moderate candidates is stronger in noncompetitive districts. “This shows that parties are not strategically moderating their preferences in attempts to win competitive districts.”


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There is zero reason why dems should vote with GOP who are basically servants of rich donors.

So I support AOC and want her to keep going to unify the democrats.

It's good to see Pelosi recognize the new generation is here and you will not win if you alienate them. Baby Boomers are dying. Millenials and Gen X'ers and their viewpoints are the future.

You realize that if you primary out the moderates in those districts and replace them with farther left candidates, that we'll probably end up with repubs in those seats, right? Those moderates were elected in purple and red leaning districts that Trump won.
 
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Jhhnn

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This makes one wonder why the Democratic Party doesn't actively try to run candidates who are noticeably more liberal / progressive / leftist in the solid blue states? It seems a bit more logical than just running moderates in all the elections no matter if the race is taking place in a swing state for a more liberal place like CA or NY

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/23/democratic-party-leadership-moderates-dccc/




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You go on as if the Democratic Party somehow controls the people that Dems pick in their own districts. If Dems in blue districts wanted more progressive candidates, they'd elect them.
 

Indus

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You realize that if you primary out the moderates in those districts and replace them with farther left candidates, that we'll probably end up with repubs in those seats, right? Those moderates were elected in purple and red leaning districts that Trump won.

Most of AOC positions are those so called moderate voters would agree with without seeing a need to compromise with GOP's far right.
 

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Most of AOC positions are those so called moderate voters would agree with without seeing a need to compromise with GOP's far right.


this is true polling on issues such as who pays too little taxes, economic inequality, money in politics, education, etc. shows that most Americans skew left sometimes even if they identify as more conservative.

According to an article linked to below

Most Americans Are Liberal, Even If They Don’t Know It
https://prospect.org/article/most-americans-are-liberal-even-if-they-don’t-know-it

The figures cited below come from surveys conducted by Gallup, Pew, and other reputable polling organizations on the key issues facing the nation. These are the most recent national polls on each topic. Most of them are from the past year, although a few go back further. Each poll is hyperlinked so readers can look at the original sources.


The Economy


  • 82 percent of Americans think wealthy people have too much power and influence in Washington.
  • 69 percent think large businesses have too much power and influence in Washington.
  • 59 percent—and 72 percent of likely voters—think Wall Street has too much power and influence in Washington.

There are many more categories and polls than what I quoted above and it is strong evidence for your statement Indus. The thing is effective messaging. AOC is very effective messenger. the Democratic Party would well to find more like her who are effective communicators who also hold her policy views which afaik also are in large agreement with the polling cited in the linked article above.


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Starbuck1975

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And, uhh, when do you think that'll happen, anyway? Illegals are keenly aware of their status & do their best not to reveal it.
I expect that law abiding gun owners feel the same about these laws as you do, but I’ll take any progress towards loophole closing gun reform. Regardless, the GOP is going to do everything it can to strike at the divide between moderates and progressives.
 

Starbuck1975

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This makes one wonder why the Democratic Party doesn't actively try to run candidates who are noticeably more liberal / progressive / leftist in the solid blue states? It seems a bit more logical than just running moderates in all the elections no matter if the race is taking place in a swing state for a more liberal place like CA or NY

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/23/democratic-party-leadership-moderates-dccc/




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AOC would not have won in Conor Lamb’s district, but a moderate Democrat could easily take AOC’s district. The progressive left fail to realize that their ideas don’t resonate strongly outside of blue state urban areas. They fail to recognize that the Conor Lamb’s of the Democrat coalition were as much a part of the blue wave as the progressives.

Sanders is the first progressive candidate to articulate progressive policies in a way that resonates with all Americans because he spoke to all Americans.
 

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I expect that law abiding gun owners feel the same about these laws as you do, but I’ll take any progress towards loophole closing gun reform. Regardless, the GOP is going to do everything it can to strike at the divide between moderates and progressives.

They'll even masquerade as progressives as a form of concern trolling.
 
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AOC would not have won in Conor Lamb’s district, but a moderate Democrat could easily take AOC’s district.

The article and the paper it references isn't talking about running a person like AOC in a purple state it's asking why not run more liberal and lefty candidates in solid blue states? It would encourage the base to come out more in general elections for the Democrats one would think.


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Bitek

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Yeah! Whatever it is that republicans are doing must be WRONG and everyone on the left should vote against it.

Like that prison reform stuff. Yeah! Fucking stupid republicans. I want NAMES of every piece of shit democrat that votes for that horrible legislation.

It's a procedural motion which caused the dust up. They've lost two YTD due to D defections to the minority position.

Rs lost 0 of these since 2010.

Pelosi was hammering the caucus, and AOC was tag teaming, basically threatening the lack of discipline, and how it's going to cost them bigly down the line on major issues if they don't pull their shit together.

Coach was right to pull the team in for an ass kicking.
 

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She is just part of the ever growing progressive block that will be changing the face of the dem party in the next decade or 2. Taking the dem party where it’s been avoiding going for along time. Bring it on.

We need to return to our FDR roots before it all comes crashing down again as it did in 1929.
 
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It’s not the Boomer’s that broke ranks. Many of the moderate Democrat freshmen broke ranks, to include Conor Lamb. When you run moderate candidates in purple districts that share some values with the opposition, they will occasionally break ranks.

Also, GenX are not lock step with Millennials.

As I posted in the above response, it's a procedural vote of which Republicans lost zero of these in the last 8 years, while Ds have lost two already this year.

If you want to apply your logic, it would conclude that there were zero moderates in the R party in the last decade.

Or it could be weak D party discipline.
 

Jhhnn

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As I posted in the above response, it's a procedural vote of which Republicans lost zero of these in the last 8 years, while Ds have lost two already this year.

If you want to apply your logic, it would conclude that there were zero moderates in the R party in the last decade.

Or it could be weak D party discipline.

That's because the GOP is astroturfed & financed from the think tanks & media manipulators of right wing billlionaires, not built on the views of diverse constituencies.

If you don't toe the Party line of the GOP, you'll never make it to Congress.
 

Starbuck1975

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As I posted in the above response, it's a procedural vote of which Republicans lost zero of these in the last 8 years, while Ds have lost two already this year.

If you want to apply your logic, it would conclude that there were zero moderates in the R party in the last decade.

Or it could be weak D party discipline.
The Democrats have a broader coalition that is easier to splinter, even more so now that the progressives are gaining momentum. I honestly would rather hear the debate between the moderates and progressives and exclude the GOP entirely.
 

Indus

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Well we may be getting closer to that as Trumps for 2020 is looking more and more real: 20 for tax evasion & 20 for bank fraud and money laundering.

There might be more for being a Russian Asset if when that is looking like it might be proven publicly.. like polonium or some other nerve toxin.
 

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And, uhh, when do you think that'll happen, anyway? Illegals are keenly aware of their status & do their best not to reveal it.
You would think so, when things are lax people become bold even to the point of their own detriment.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-fac...dly-assaulting-man-maga-hat/story?id=61346171

Immigration and Customs Enforcement has arrested a woman who allegedly assaulted a man wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat earlier this month.

Rosiane Santos was detained by federal agents after video surfaced on Feb. 15 of her grabbing a man's red cap and throwing it on the floor at a Mexican restaurant in Massachusetts.

Santos, a citizen of Brazil who's in the country illegally, was arrested by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Fugitive Operations Team on Monday and was being processed for deportation, immigration officials told ABC News.
 
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again, AOC had nothing to do with Amazon and NYC--she merely made a public statement in response to what had already happened. lol--why does a particular demographic refuse to accept her lack of involvement in that? Where is this godawful information coming from? Why absorb such terrible information in such an uncritical way?

AOC doesn't appear to want to be blindly followed--not sure where that is coming from, either. I do think she's certainly quite naive, but she's pretty clearly gunning for the type of egalitarian reforms that this country needs, unlike the orange incest turnip in the white house. Funnily enough, despite being the youngest, least-experienced rep in the room at the Cohen hearing on Wednesday, she was BY FAR the most adult, effective, anti-grandstanding committee member that was laser focused on the task at hand. It was actually an awesome thing to watch if you haven't seen it.

Let's just start to write down how many times she references her own name, whenever she opens her mouth or tweets, and compare that count to the one for Orange Julius.

Except the media puts her face on when Amazon is mentioned, regardless of her involvement or lack thereof.

lol--why does a particular demographic refuse to accept her lack of involvement in that? Where is this godawful information coming from? Why absorb such terrible information in such an uncritical way?

Your corporate run media relies on sensationalism and innuendo that the brainwashed public laps up willingly because they have been taught to feel and not think, they are going to build up AOC as much as possible and when the time comes tear her down.

AOC doesn't need to worry too much about pissing off Republicans and conservatives, but when she is declared an enemy of the liberal rich like Amazon and it's CEO Bezos she will have a real problem.

The Democrats real problem is not the republicans but the corporarists that have infected their party over the years with their money.
https://democraticautopsy.org/corporate-power-and-the-party/
Corporate domination over the party’s agenda — and, perhaps more importantly, the perception of corporate control over the party’s agenda — rendered the Democrats’ messaging on economic issues ideologically rudderless and resulted in a decline in support among working-class people across racial lines.


First, it’s important to debunk some facile media myths about Donald Trump and “the working class.” The bulk of Trump’s support is still from well-off whites who have always composed the core of the Republican Party funding and much of its voting base, and one should work hard to not feed into the easy media trope that Trump is overwhelmingly popular among “blue collar” or working-class voters. Nor should one fall into the trap (as some pundits have) of using “working class” and “white working class” interchangeably. Aside from erasing working people of color, this trap overlooks the fact that Hillary Clinton in fact won the working class across races, if one uses those making less than $50,000 a year as a proxy for the label.


What did happen — and what ought to deeply worry Democrats moving forward — is the massive swing of white working-class voters from Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016 and the depressed turnout of black and Latino voters for Clinton relative to 2012 Obama. There was a 16-point swing across all races (though this is overwhelmingly due to whites) for those making less than $30,000 from the D to R column and a six-point swing for those making between $30,000 and $50,000. Turnout among African Americans and Latinos was also far lower than many expected, which represents an ominous trend for the party moving forward. To put it in marketing terms: the Democratic Party is failing, on a systemic level, to inspire, bring out, and get a sufficient majority of the votes of the working class.


The Democratic Party, as pollster Stanley Greenberg emphasizes, doesn’t have a “white working-class problem” — it has a working-class problem. “If there was one area where Democratic turnout was undeniably weaker in 2016 than 2012 it was among African Americans,” Patrick Ruffini wrote in FiveThirtyEight. Black turnout, especially in key swing states, was 14.1 percent less than election models predicted — far more than the 3.2 percent decline among whites. While it’s important to note the damaging effect of Republican Party attempts at minority voter suppression through gerrymandering and voter ID laws, the Democratic Party has failed to give many of those who can vote a reason to do so.


This is animated, in part, by the perception that the party is in the pocket of the rich. A poll in spring 2017 found that two-thirds of the public sees the Democratic Party as “out of touch with the concerns of most people in the United States today.” Meanwhile, a recent review of census data by the Washington Post found that African Americans are “the only U.S. racial group earning less than they did in 2000.” The unfettered capitalist economy partly enabled by Democrats since the 1990s has devastated the working class, doubly so the black working class, and the Democratic Party’s major role in that devastation continues to have a harmful effect on party prospects.


The party has attempted to convince working-class voters that it can advance the interests of the rich and working people with equal vigor. This sleight-of-hand was more feasible pre-2008 economic crash, but it has since lost credibility as inequality grows and entire communities are gutted by free market, anti-union, anti-worker ideology and policy. The champions of the growth-raises-all-boats mythology had their chance and they failed the vast bulk of working Americans. President Obama, with his unique political skills, preempted and co-opted economic populism to some extent (though it surfaced briefly and strongly with the Occupy Wall Street movement in 2011/2012), but it re-emerged with Bernie Sanders’ insurgent primary campaign. In her 2016 general election loss, Clinton was outflanked on economic messaging by Trump’s huckster appeals to anti-NAFTA and anti-free-market sentiment.


Tone-deafness on class was seen time and again in Clinton’s campaign: avoiding clear, class-based messaging and instead offering up bloodless micro-targeted policies. Clinton didn’t propose free public college as such, but rather student loan abatement for potential “entrepreneurs” and a series of other convoluted, means-tested “solutions” — many involving GOP-like bootstrap work requirements. Her messaging on health care was just as deficient. Instead of speaking of health care in simple, rights-based terms (much less embracing single-payer Medicare for all), Clinton talked of “expanding ACA” and frequently employed needless modifiers before “health care” such as “access to” and “affordable.” While she would toss out the concept of health care as a right in the occasional tweets, her speeches and online texts rarely, if ever, framed the topic that way. “If you believe,” Clinton said in her convention acceptance speech, “that every man, woman, and child in America has the right to affordable health care, join us.” How the word “affordable” adds to that sentence — other than rendering it rhetorically weak and corporately palatable — is not clear.


The Clinton campaign mocked Trump for lying about his wealth, floating the idea of labeling him “Poor Donald” — a too-cute-by-half attempt to call Trump a financial fraud. That actually backfired, making Clinton look like a rich snob and Trump like a regular guy. (It wouldn’t have seemed so glib had Clinton herself said much about the issue of poverty on the campaign trail. Instead she, like the broader Democratic leadership, relied almost exclusively on the go-to, offend-no-one label “middle class.”) Clinton told a crowd in Lake Worth, Florida that she liked “having the support of real billionaires” because “Donald gives a bad name to billionaires.” That was a deeply strange messaging choice given that 82 percent of the population think the wealthy “have too much influence in Washington.” Most importantly, during the campaign Clinton — unable to throw stones from her glass house — virtually abandoned talking about pay-to-play big money in politics.


The surge in populism (which can be broadly defined as a dislike of “the establishment”), brought on by widening inequality and economic stagnation, will be filled by some political force or other — either the cruel and demagogic forces of the far right and its billionaire backers, or a racially diverse and morally robust progressive vision that offers people a clear alternative to the ideological rot of Trumpism. The mainstream Democratic storyline of victims without victimizers lacks both plausibility and passion. The idea that the Democrats can somehow convince Wall Street to work on behalf of Main Street through mild chiding, rather than acting as Main Street’s champion against the wealthy, no longer resonates. We live in a time of unrest and justified cynicism towards those in power; Democrats will not win if they continue to bring a wonk knife to a populist gunfight. Nor can Democratic leaders and operatives be seen as real allies of the working class if they’re afraid to alienate big funders or to harm future job or consulting prospects.


On environmental matters, similar problems abound. Leading Democrats have been forthright in condemning GOP climate denial, yet most of the same Democrats routinely indulge in denial that corporate power fuels climate denial and accelerates climate damage. While scoring political points by justifiably lambasting dangerous Republican anti-science positions, most Democrats have gravitated toward proposals (like various forms of carbon trading and cap-and-trade) that cannot come close to addressing the magnitude of the climate crisis. Steps like a carbon tax — necessary, though insufficient — are badly needed along with imposition of major regulatory measures to drastically reduce carbon emissions. While the short-term prospects for meaningful federal action on climate are exceedingly bleak, state-level initiatives are important and attainable. Meanwhile, it’s crucial that the Democratic Party stop confining its climate agenda to inadequate steps that are palatable to Big Oil and mega-players on Wall Street.


It’s telling that during the 16 years of the Clinton and Obama presidencies, when so many U.S. jobs were “outsourced” to cheap labor countries, one is hard pressed to recall either Democratic president ever taking a single U.S. corporation to task on the issue, even rhetorically. (To chair his Jobs Council, Obama chose the CEO of outsourcing pioneer General Electric.) Such silence and/or complicity on corporate greed and irresponsibility allowed a charlatan like Trump to grandstand as the savior of jobs and working people.


Perhaps the most literal instance of the party’s sense of corporate entitlement came in the summer of 2017 when the Democratic National Committee sent out fundraising mailers designed to look like collection letters to its supporters. The DNC team scrawled “FINAL NOTICE” across the envelopes and put “Finance Department” as the return address. The message it conveyed, intentionally or not, was: you owe us. That, not coincidentally, is a message the party leadership has been sending to core constituencies through its policies and campaign spending priorities.


Meanwhile, for the party, longtime neglect of rural America has come back to haunt. “If the Democratic Party wants to rebuild trust in rural areas — if it wants to win back states like Wisconsin — then it has to develop robust social policies that address rural needs,” journalist Sarah Jones observed midway through 2017. Fighting for rural broadband and obtaining more funds for Federally Qualified Health Centers in underserved areas have been important efforts and deserve higher priority. Meanwhile, the party should stop elevating Big Ag allies like Tom Vilsack, the Monsanto-smitten politician who served as Agriculture Secretary in the Obama administration for eight years. “Identifying the corporate power that holds back farm communities could revive Democratic fortunes,” author David Dayen wrote a few months ago. “Obviously, there are huge cultural barriers dividing Democrats from these areas, dominated by a media that paints them in the worst possible light. But the answer to that isn’t to walk away from the region, or present Republican-lite ‘moderates’ who line up with corporate interests; it lies in showing farmers you stand with them, not the monopolies.”


It must be stressed that any attempt to win over working-class white voters cannot be at the expense of a firm commitment to racial justice, LGBTQ equality or women’s rights. Attempts to win over those who exited the party in 2016 must never involve racist pandering or putting off issues of social justice lest they “offend” whites. Immediately after the 2016 election, several high status pro-Democrat pundits suggested Clinton’s loss was a result of a backlash to “identity politics” — thus blaming those most vulnerable to Trump for Trump. This posits a false dichotomy between discussing economic injustice and fighting for rights unique to certain communities. Indeed, women, trans people, Latinos, and African Americans disproportionately comprise the working class — and issues that specifically target them are, by definition, “working class issues.” Just the same, big tent goals such as higher minimum wage, single-payer health care and free public college — issues that have huge appeal among poor whites — will disproportionately benefit these communities.


Many party leaders have strongly advocated for women in such vital realms as reproductive rights, pay equity, protection against employment bias and equal access to public services. Yet the widening economic disparities that especially harm women — sometimes called the feminization of poverty — are directly related to policies that boost the power of large corporations. The corporate-friendly inclinations of the Democratic Party have ended up increasing rather than reducing those disparities, with dire consequences. As activist Carmen Rios points out, “women’s wages have gone stagnant, and women continue to find themselves on the bottom of every ladder, looking up through a glass ceiling.” In the real world, the well-being of women is indivisible from their economic circumstances and security.


Building an intersectional coalition — one that unites the working class across racial lines while addressing issues specific to people who are targeted based on identity — is key to creating an electoral force that can not only win, but also overwhelm the small group of wealthy white men the GOP works to further enrich. If the Democratic Party is to become such a political force, it will require a much bolder economic agenda to directly challenge corporate power.
 

Zorba

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As I posted in the above response, it's a procedural vote of which Republicans lost zero of these in the last 8 years, while Ds have lost two already this year.

If you want to apply your logic, it would conclude that there were zero moderates in the R party in the last decade.

Or it could be weak D party discipline.

This is exactly why I hate political parties, and especially the GOP. I am an independent but have never voted for a republican on the federal level because in my entire voting life a vote for a republican on the national level was a vote for the GOP leader. And for the record, there have been very few moderate Rs in congress since 2010, they were primaried out just like AOC is saying needs to happen here.

The fact that democrats don't vote in lock step is a major selling point for me. Why even vote for specific people if they all fall in line on every vote?

Democrats will bemoan republicans putting party in front of country in every thread about Trump, then turn around a bitch about their guys not doing the same.

I was watching PBS, I think it was after the state of the union, and one of the commentators made a very good point that I wish democrats would figure out. Mid-term cross party wins are a rebuke of the current president, not affirmation of the winning party's policies. He then went on to describe how both sides have misread these signs in the past and lost the following presidential election because people didn't actually like their ideas as much as they thought they did, the people just wanted a check on the president.

When I see stories like the one in the OP it just makes me fearful that democrats are going to once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
 

ivwshane

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Except the media puts her face on when Amazon is mentioned, regardless of her involvement or lack thereof.



Your corporate run media relies on sensationalism and innuendo that the brainwashed public laps up willingly because they have been taught to feel and not think, they are going to build up AOC as much as possible and when the time comes tear her down.

AOC doesn't need to worry too much about pissing off Republicans and conservatives, but when she is declared an enemy of the liberal rich like Amazon and it's CEO Bezos she will have a real problem.

The Democrats real problem is not the republicans but the corporarists that have infected their party over the years with their money.
https://democraticautopsy.org/corporate-power-and-the-party/

Truly fucking hilarious!!

I especially like how you realized how the media was brainwashing people by associating AOC with amazons departure despite having no association. Yet you and other righties continue parroting that talking point as if you can't help but be brainwashed. Like moths to a flame.

I also find it ironic that a righty such as yourself pointing to the "real problem" of Democrats is corporate money. As if citizens united isn't a ruling fully endorsed by the Republican party and supported by Republicans on the judicial. As if its not solely Republicans who have blocked things like the government being able to negotiate drug prices. As if the only major legislation, the Republican controlled Congress and Republican president, passed was a massive corporate tax give away during a strong and growing economy (IE for no reason). I'm sure you'll "both sides" the shit out of it and yet I bet if we look at your posting history we won't find a single damn post complaining about Republicans and how they are beholden to their corporate masters.


Good shit! Keep the funny going. After all we know righties suck at comedy.
 

ivwshane

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This is exactly why I hate political parties, and especially the GOP. I am an independent but have never voted for a republican on the federal level because in my entire voting life a vote for a republican on the national level was a vote for the GOP leader. And for the record, there have been very few moderate Rs in congress since 2010, they were primaried out just like AOC is saying needs to happen here.

The fact that democrats don't vote in lock step is a major selling point for me. Why even vote for specific people if they all fall in line on every vote?

Democrats will bemoan republicans putting party in front of country in every thread about Trump, then turn around a bitch about their guys not doing the same.

I was watching PBS, I think it was after the state of the union, and one of the commentators made a very good point that I wish democrats would figure out. Mid-term cross party wins are a rebuke of the current president, not affirmation of the winning party's policies. He then went on to describe how both sides have misread these signs in the past and lost the following presidential election because people didn't actually like their ideas as much as they thought they did, the people just wanted a check on the president.

When I see stories like the one in the OP it just makes me fearful that democrats are going to once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Can you explain how Democrats voting in lockstep for a procedural vote hampers the purpose of electing individuals to Congress?