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House bill to cut back on free school lunches

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I'm not even going to touch the moronic theological arguments being pushed in this thread.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown...onal-school-lunch-program-over-new-standards/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...o-scrap-michelle-obama-school-lunch-plan.html
Since 2012, the U.S. Department of Agriculture has implemented the requirement – tied to the 2010 law – that schools include either a fruit or vegetable for lunches subsidized by the federal government. However, a report published in August 2015 by researchers at the University of Vermont found even though students added more fruits and vegetables to their plates, “children consumed fewer [fruits and vegetables] and wasted more during the school year immediately following implementation of the USDA rule.”
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This article seems to a better start for having a non retarded conversation on the issue
“When schools self-report free and reduced lunch numbers, the numbers can be much less accurate, and the schools can be incentivized to increase the numbers on free and reduced lunch,” Baumgartner said.

The proposal has passed the Republican-controlled Senate, but not the Democrat-held House of Representatives where it will be negotiated.

According to census data, about 25 percent of children in the Spokane area under the age of 18 live in poverty. However, 56 percent of Spokane students receive free or reduced-price lunch. Under the new proposal, full funding for high-poverty schools would only be awarded if 30 percent of the district qualifies using census data.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/feb/18/state-republican-education-funding-proposal-jeopar/
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from my quick read over this bill, it sounds like they are tightening the requirements to be eligible not eliminating it outright. Perhaps they are trying to fine tune the line for it to avoid abuse by those who don't need it.
 
Azuma Hazuki said:
Economic activity no more has a "purpose" than evolution or erosion. Economic activity no more is supposed to improve the lot of the poor than natural selection was trying to create homo sapiens from microbes or water was trying to carve the Grand Canyon. Even judging the effects of economic activity in a framework like Pareto Efficiency involves an inherent subjective judgment about what the "best" outcome should be.

Wrong answer, Glenn. I'm not just asking what the teleological end of economic activity is, I'm asking what it emerges from and why we do it.

Besides which, to sit there and tell me there's no purpose is a category error, doubly so when you compare it to naturalistic, unthinking processes. By definition any activity initiated by a sentient being with a sense of causality has a purpose.

Here's what you missed: we engage in economic activity to improve our lives. To promote human flourishing. Therefore, economic activity that does the opposite is more or less committing the informal fallacy of the stolen concept, i.e., using a concept to argue against that concept's genetic roots.

Got all that? You are committing idolatry here, in a way: you're glorifying an object (the economy/money) and objectifying people.
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Google "anthropomorphism" and "pathetic fallacy" for an explanation of why you're badly wrong as to why economic activity doesn't have an overarching purpose. And "why we do it" is because it typically furthers the separate interests of the parties to the transaction and satisfies their independent needs or wants. "Promoting human flourishing" may be a byproduct of that or it just as likely can negatively impact that human flourishing. Hell, there's plenty of examples like Easter Island where economic activity was the proximate cause of that entire civilization going extinct.
 
senseamp said:
Trump and GOP's "Great America" for ya. Taking away poor kids' lunches to pay for tax cuts for billionaires.
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You didnt actually read the article, did you?

Legislation debated by the House Education and Workforce Committee aims to save money by scaling back the number of schools in which all students receive free or reduced meals. It would also help schools that say the Obama administration’s healthier meal rules are too restrictive and not appealing enough to students.
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I guarantee in a school the currently gives all students free lunches, there is a sizable portion of students that should and would otherwise be able to bring/pay for their own lunches (obviously from their parents). This doesnt sound bad to me, it sounds like itll save some money on taxes.
 
Glenn...no one said everyone is a rational actor 🙂 People very often don't foresee the consequences of their actions. That's not the point.

Besides which, if you want to call yourself a Christian, this entire discussion is moot anyway: Jesus said help the poor, and he didn't say "unless it's with taxes" or "unless some liberals are hypocrites." He was talking to YOU, directly, as a Christian, with a very clear warning that if you do not obey him on this, you will spend eternity writhing and screaming as you burn endlessly from the inside out.
 
glenn1 said:
Economic activity no more has a "purpose" than evolution or erosion. Economic activity no more is supposed to improve the lot of the poor than natural selection was trying to create homo sapiens from microbes or water was trying to carve the Grand Canyon. Even judging the effects of economic activity in a framework like Pareto Efficiency involves an inherent subjective judgment about what the "best" outcome should be.
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You just defined what sets us apart from the beasts. Not knowingly, of course.

We can assign purposes to economic activity. It's more like GMO's than evolution.
 
emperus said:
Sorry, this view doesn't represent the crux of the Gospels.
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Did you somehow mistakenly believe that I'm representing the POV of any church whatsoever or serving as some sort of spokesman for a church? Trying to misuse biblical references (that you likely don't even believe in) to attempt to guilt others into supporting liberal redistributionist policies is both lame and ineffective. Even someone who was of a different religion could quickly discover that Jesus was all about helping people personally and directly and not waiting for government to do it for you. Here's a typical teaching from Jesus - "Sell your possessions, and give to the needy." At no point in the Bible does Jesus say "hey tax collectors you need to get to work so these people can be fed."
 
glenn1 said:
Poor kid, earn your lunch the old-fashioned way kids by taking the lunch money from the nerdy child of the progressive in your class. His parents will have taught him both to not fight back and that you deserve the money more than him so it's a win-win.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/fewer-kids-could-receive-free-school-meals-under-house-bill/
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glenn1 said:
Fiscally and morally this is a problem which private charity should be handling. Asking the feds to handle it so you don't have to do anything is the exact opposite of empathy.
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Typical conservative or someone trying their hardest to make conservatives look bad? Might very well be impossible to discerned any difference.
 
glenn1 said:
Did you somehow mistakenly believe that I'm representing the POV of any church whatsoever or serving as some sort of spokesman for a church? Trying to misuse biblical references (that you likely don't even believe in) to attempt to guilt others into supporting liberal redistributionist policies is both lame and ineffective. Even someone who was of a different religion could quickly discover that Jesus was all about helping people personally and directly and not waiting for government to do it for you. Here's a typical teaching from Jesus - "Sell your possessions, and give to the needy." At no point in the Bible does Jesus say "hey tax collectors you need to get to work so these people can be fed."
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This doesn't work because most tax collectors in biblical times were evil people. The ruler would assign how much tax money he needed from an area then the tax collector could use any means necessary to collect. The tax collectors generally didn't target the wealthy because the wealthy could petition the ruler to assign a new tax collector. The collectors generally kept any overage of taxes they collected. So if $100 was asked the tax collector could collect $140 and keep the $40 after "tipping" the ruler.
 
n0x1ous said:
from my quick read over this bill, it sounds like they are tightening the requirements to be eligible not eliminating it outright. Perhaps they are trying to fine tune the line for it to avoid abuse by those who don't need it.
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Exactly, with the authorities in the schools saying that the measure, in trying to reduce the numbers benefiting who don't meet some arbitrary standard of need, will in fact, also reduce the number who will lose benefits they are so qualified to receive. These Republican law makers aren't stupid. They always have a religion-like ideology they hide their moral crimes behind. They are religiously inspired to convince the public they can save them in taxes and the social and moral costs of doing that must not be allowed to be seen. People like glenn1 need an absurdity of some kind to hide behind. He's not going to see that because he's not going to feel what a shit he is. These threads only make him more immune than ever. I am only thankful not everybody is so infected.
 
Forget Universal Basic Income (for now), what about Universal Basic School Lunches! Just install a McDonald's in every school, indoctrinate kids that Fast Food is Good for you, and pass out free hamburgers. Think of all the trickle-down for the cattle ranchers in the west.
 
Moonbeam said:
Exactly, with the authorities in the schools saying that the measure, in trying to reduce the numbers benefiting who don't meet some arbitrary standard of need, will in fact, also reduce the number who will lose benefits they are so qualified to receive. These Republican law makers aren't stupid. They always have a religion-like ideology they hide their moral crimes behind. They are religiously inspired to convince the public they can save them in taxes and the social and moral costs of doing that must not be allowed to be seen. People like glenn1 need an absurdity of some kind to hide behind. He's not going to see that because he's not going to feel what a shit he is. These threads only make him more immune than ever. I am only thankful not everybody is so infected.
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It bears repeating that Glenn1 collected all sorts of defense welfare. White nationalists just don't want poors of the wrong color getting handouts.
 
Azuma Hazuki said:
I spent 11+ years studying the Bible, some of it in the original Hebrew (OT) and Koine (NT). Jesus says feed the poor. Period.

He doesn't specify a method. He says just do it. And Glenn, pay afuckingttention here, Mt. 25 specifically states that you will go to Hell for not helping the poor. Either shut up and start helping, or make sure you're buried in asbestos long johns, because you're gonna need 'em where you're going if you keep this up, Mr. Good Christian.
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Love it.
 
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