HOT! Samsung LNT5271f 1080p LCD 120 Hz for...

[pmoa]

ouch super hot!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi...XMCE/ref=nosim/oubl-20

 

[squirrel dog]

Thats a very nice tv . I ordered a rphdtv from amazon and it was shipped,no hassel.The shipper dude even set it up , so I tipped him . The freight co. was some no name oufit,but it arrived before they said it would in perfect shape . 41% off makes this a very tempting deal for sure.

 

[Schadenfroh]

I have this TV, it is very nice. But, do call Samsung and get the latest firmware. The firmware that shipped with mine had horrible TBE (Triple Ball Effect) and footballs looked like flying spaghetti turds. The latest firmware fixed that problem (for me at least). Blu-Ray movies (that are mastered correctly) look amazing on it.

 

[AMDZen]

I lack understanding on why you would need 120 Hz and thus, 120 FPS.

Even with Blu-Ray isn't it just 60 FPS? Or am I missing something?

EDIT: Ok I read on the site

This technology doubles the frame rate from 60 to 120 frames per second (120Hz LCD panel) without repeating the same image to make more frames. Instead, the TV intelligently calculates the ?middle? image between frame A and frame B and inserts it in between (Auto Motion Plus 120Hz processor), making a fluid transition from one frame to the next.

Still I wonder if that is even needed considering your eyes wouldn't notice

 

[deepinya]

120hz from 60hz is night and day. Go to your local best buy and check out a split screen image.

 

[VinceDee]

Originally posted by: deepinya
120hz from 60hz is night and day. Go to your local best buy and check out a split screen image.

Yeah, because we all know Best Buy always has their screens properly calibrated and receiving high quality signals.:roll:

 

[scootermaster]

This TV looks great, but I want this year's model!

Warning: Don't check that TV out unless you want to spend $400 more!

 

[Onund]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
I lack understanding on why you would need 120 Hz and thus, 120 FPS.

Even with Blu-Ray isn't it just 60 FPS? Or am I missing something?

EDIT: Ok I read on the site

This technology doubles the frame rate from 60 to 120 frames per second (120Hz LCD panel) without repeating the same image to make more frames. Instead, the TV intelligently calculates the ?middle? image between frame A and frame B and inserts it in between (Auto Motion Plus 120Hz processor), making a fluid transition from one frame to the next.

Still I wonder if that is even needed considering your eyes wouldn't notice

the 120Hz goes beyond interpolated frames.

Film = 24fps
video = 60fps

There is no way to get film (ie movies) frames to display evenly on video displays (ie your TV). The trick instead is to use an uneven cadence when displaying film on video. If you alternate between displaying a film frame for 3 video frames and 2 video frames then it will fit in the time allowed.

Said another way, the time it takes for 2 film frames to display is the same time it takes for 5 video frames to display. If you use 3 video frames for 1 film frame then the remaining 2 video frames for the second film frame, you can show the movie at the correct speed on video. This is the telecine process, also refered to as 3:2 pulldown.

The 'problem' with this approach is something called telecine judder. People can discern the difference in time each frame is displayed. During slow pans there appears to be an uneveness in the camera movement.

In order to meet both requirements, 24fps and 60fps, a 120Hz display is ideal. For film, each frame can be repeated 5 times (known as 5:5 pulldown) and for video, each frame can be repeated twice, or 2:2 pulldown. In both cases an even cadence is achieved.

Now, there is lots of argument on whether or not the 71 series actually does 5:5 pulldown over at AVSforums. Even if it did, there is some argument on whether or not the inherent motion judder from being a 24fps source is all that much better than telecine judder. Mostly film purists care about this stuff.

Either way, with interpolation turns on, yes, there is a VERY obvious difference. There are some great examples in planet earth. Anything with a slow pan really shows off the benefits of the AMP feature. There are artifacts though...

 

[deepinya]

Originally posted by: VinceDee

Originally posted by: deepinya
120hz from 60hz is night and day. Go to your local best buy and check out a split screen image.

Yeah, because we all know Best Buy always has their screens properly calibrated and receiving high quality signals.:roll:

Or we can do the next best solution. But two tvs, set them up in your house and do a side by side comparison. cool? :roll:

If you cant tell the difference between 120hz and 60hz then you have some issues a TV cant fix.

 

[chexi]

I have this TV. I generally like it. But there are some things to know. The blacks look really good in the store during the day, but next to the piano black frame at night... let's face it, they are still gray. The piano black bezel looks very nice, except that I would prefer a flat black bezel to avoid reflections. The screen is pretty reflective (like a plazma), and as such looks a lot like a plasma. This makes for a nice picture, but also will give you a lot of reflections in the screen. If you hate plasma screens because of this, do not get this Samsung. If you like the look of plasmas, but still want an LCD for other reasons, this is a good set to get.

I do not have the latest firmware (I have been meaning to get it). I will not use AMP, because it looks artificial, studders/judders more than without it on, and makes me sick to my stomach (at least in its present broken state). I wanted 120hz so that my TV could both accept and properly use 24p, because I hate motion judder almost as much as silk screen effect, but at least with my set, it can accept 24p, but it will convert it 60p and then interpret every other frame. Doubly bad in my opinion. I believe there is some concern whether the internal processor of the Samsung (at least on my version, there are 2) is powerful enough to properly accept 24p and multiply it without going into 60p. Why, I have no idea, because that seems to me to be a much simpler calculation than going to 60p and then guessing every other frame by going to 120hz.

Unless Samsung can fix the 120hz engine that way it should have worked from the beginning, I would have been better off buying the much less expensive 60hz model.

 

[Rio Rebel]

Originally posted by: deepinya

Originally posted by: VinceDee

Originally posted by: deepinya
120hz from 60hz is night and day. Go to your local best buy and check out a split screen image.

Yeah, because we all know Best Buy always has their screens properly calibrated and receiving high quality signals.:roll:

Or we can do the next best solution. But two tvs, set them up in your house and do a side by side comparison. cool? :roll:

If you cant tell the difference between 120hz and 60hz then you have some issues a TV cant fix.

arrogant crap.

First of all, your original statement about Best Buy is pointless, because they never use a high quality source, and the "split screen" is utterly deceptive. It's a "demo" of what the difference would look like, not an accurate representation.

Secondly, your statement is far too broad. There is no way you could tell the difference between a 120hz and 60hz tv while viewing sd material, or OTA hd material, for that matter. The only material that would be different would be 1080p/24 material. For most of us, that means a handful or Blu-Ray or HD-DVD disks...which means much, if not most, of what we watch would be irrelevant to the discussion.

So to "roll" your eyes and make grandiose statements like the one above is not exactly helpful. Is 120hz better? Undoubtedly. Is is worth hundreds more, and is it something you wouldn't be without? That's the question, and for most of us, it's not a crystal clear answer.

 

[deepinya]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

So to "roll" your eyes and make grandiose statements like the one above is not exactly helpful. Is 120hz better? Undoubtedly. Is is worth hundreds more, and is it something you wouldn't be without? That's the question, and for most of us, it's not a crystal clear answer.

I never made a statement of its worth or the material being played.

Im hoping someone paying this much for a TV is going to be using it for more than SD material lol.


Whether its worth it is up to you but no doubt the experience is MUCH better.

 

[sapiens74]

Great deal OP. i might have been in for one if I hadn't just bought another TV

 

[scootermaster]

Originally posted by: chexi
I have this TV. I generally like it. But there are some things to know. The blacks look really good in the store during the day, but next to the piano black frame at night... let's face it, they are still gray. The piano black bezel looks very nice, except that I would prefer a flat black bezel to avoid reflections. The screen is pretty reflective (like a plazma), and as such looks a lot like a plasma. This makes for a nice picture, but also will give you a lot of reflections in the screen. If you hate plasma screens because of this, do not get this Samsung. If you like the look of plasmas, but still want an LCD for other reasons, this is a good set to get.

I do not have the latest firmware (I have been meaning to get it). I will not use AMP, because it looks artificial, studders/judders more than without it on, and makes me sick to my stomach (at least in its present broken state). I wanted 120hz so that my TV could both accept and properly use 24p, because I hate motion judder almost as much as silk screen effect, but at least with my set, it can accept 24p, but it will convert it 60p and then interpret every other frame. Doubly bad in my opinion. I believe there is some concern whether the internal processor of the Samsung (at least on my version, there are 2) is powerful enough to properly accept 24p and multiply it without going into 60p. Why, I have no idea, because that seems to me to be a much simpler calculation than going to 60p and then guessing every other frame by going to 120hz.

Unless Samsung can fix the 120hz engine that way it should have worked from the beginning, I would have been better off buying the much less expensive 60hz model.

I didn't check this point by point, but it did look like the newer (this year's) model may have fixed some of these issues (or at least improved upon them).

 

[pmoa]

I bought this tv for 600 more just before christmas...damn it!

 

[Rio Rebel]

Originally posted by: deepinya

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

So to "roll" your eyes and make grandiose statements like the one above is not exactly helpful. Is 120hz better? Undoubtedly. Is is worth hundreds more, and is it something you wouldn't be without? That's the question, and for most of us, it's not a crystal clear answer.

I never made a statement of its worth or the material being played.

Im hoping someone paying this much for a TV is going to be using it for more than SD material lol.


Whether its worth it is up to you but no doubt the experience is MUCH better.

Sorry if I responded a little strong - when I reread your post, it seems less "arrogant" than I accused you of being at first.

This is the statement I would take issue with:

If you cant tell the difference between 120hz and 60hz then you have some issues a TV cant fix

That statement is very dependent upon the factors I mentioned above. In fact, only in certain conditions would the 120hz difference be obvious to a viewer (1080p/24 source, reasonably close viewing distance, and preferably a non-Best Buy type of viewing environment with non-calibrated screens).

 

[pmoa]

Originally posted by: scootermaster

Originally posted by: chexi
I have this TV. I generally like it. But there are some things to know. The blacks look really good in the store during the day, but next to the piano black frame at night... let's face it, they are still gray. The piano black bezel looks very nice, except that I would prefer a flat black bezel to avoid reflections. The screen is pretty reflective (like a plazma), and as such looks a lot like a plasma. This makes for a nice picture, but also will give you a lot of reflections in the screen. If you hate plasma screens because of this, do not get this Samsung. If you like the look of plasmas, but still want an LCD for other reasons, this is a good set to get.

I do not have the latest firmware (I have been meaning to get it). I will not use AMP, because it looks artificial, studders/judders more than without it on, and makes me sick to my stomach (at least in its present broken state). I wanted 120hz so that my TV could both accept and properly use 24p, because I hate motion judder almost as much as silk screen effect, but at least with my set, it can accept 24p, but it will convert it 60p and then interpret every other frame. Doubly bad in my opinion. I believe there is some concern whether the internal processor of the Samsung (at least on my version, there are 2) is powerful enough to properly accept 24p and multiply it without going into 60p. Why, I have no idea, because that seems to me to be a much simpler calculation than going to 60p and then guessing every other frame by going to 120hz.

Unless Samsung can fix the 120hz engine that way it should have worked from the beginning, I would have been better off buying the much less expensive 60hz model.

I didn't check this point by point, but it did look like the newer (this year's) model may have fixed some of these issues (or at least improved upon them).

I got a new firmware for my tv and it fixed the triple ball effect and definitely lowered the amount of pixelating on my set. I still love it!

 

[Schmide]

With 120hz you can use the 3d shutter glasses and watch 3d movies flicker free

http://product.samsung.com/dlp3d/

I have like 6 pairs of the lcd flicker glasses and no 120hz tv. I'm lame.

 

[Onund]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
That statement is very dependent upon the factors I mentioned above. In fact, only in certain conditions would the 120hz difference be obvious to a viewer (1080p/24 source, reasonably close viewing distance, and preferably a non-Best Buy type of viewing environment with non-calibrated screens).

Honest question: Do you have this TV?

The reason I ask is because with the xx71 Auto Motion Plus (AMP), the interpolation engine, is basically the sole reason for this TV being 120Hz. It is questionable whether or not this set does 5:5 pulldown so to say only 24fps sources benefit from 120Hz refresh is kinda false. Adding interpolated frames is noticeable even on video sources. It isnt' that the playback looks like it's at a higher frame rate but it has a certain character to it that has been popularily refered to as the soap opera effect because it makes things look live, kinda like how soap operas look.

 

[Onund]

Originally posted by: Schmide
With 120hz you can use the 3d shutter glasses and watch 3d movies flicker free

http://product.samsung.com/dlp3d/

I have like 6 pairs of the lcd flicker glasses and no 120hz tv. I'm lame.

I'm not sure how this works but I'm guessing flicker free 3d requires a 120Hz input? If that's the case then this TV will not work. Input is max 60Hz. The extra frames are interpolation or repetition.

 

[Schmide]

Yeah I guess it's only the DLP projection TVs that can do that.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
I lack understanding on why you would need 120 Hz and thus, 120 FPS.

Even with Blu-Ray isn't it just 60 FPS? Or am I missing something?

EDIT: Ok I read on the site

This technology doubles the frame rate from 60 to 120 frames per second (120Hz LCD panel) without repeating the same image to make more frames. Instead, the TV intelligently calculates the ?middle? image between frame A and frame B and inserts it in between (Auto Motion Plus 120Hz processor), making a fluid transition from one frame to the next.

Still I wonder if that is even needed considering your eyes wouldn't notice

I'd be worried about DSP lag too.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Onund
I'm not sure how this works but I'm guessing flicker free 3d requires a 120Hz input? If that's the case then this TV will not work. Input is max 60Hz. The extra frames are interpolation or repetition.

Lameness. That makes this set practically worthless IMO.

 

[Baked]

$2.3K is no chump change. Wish I got the money to buy it to go w/ the PS3. GTA4 and GT5P would look amazing on a 52"... sigh...

 

[Chunkee]

Originally posted by: Baked
$2.3K is no chump change. Wish I got the money to buy it to go w/ the PS3. GTA4 and GT5P would look amazing on a 52"... sigh...

admit it, you are a high dollar charlie...chump change indeed...