HOT HOT HOTTER than HOT - Saks 5th Avenue Sale

[Spurst]

OsSpengler,

I find that your word usage does not compliment your style of grammar. It is as if you are attempting to write at a higher level than you should be.

I guess it is the punctuation and contraction use that raises some question. I hope this is just a misjudgment on my part, because if the latter is true, I truly feel sorry for you.


People like me are the future of the world. After I graduate college with my degrees, I hope to yield some power within the world. I hope to complete law school and become somebody. I even hope to someday afford the luxury of items similar to those listed within this thread. However, I know where I come from, and the middle-class lifestyle I was raised in. I have friends on both ends of the financial spectrums, and both types are different.

What I can tell you is this. My poverty stricken friends are true, and if one said they would die for me, I can assure you, they would. In contrast, many of my high-end friends tend to sell you an image of who they want to be. Both types are fine, but different. I guess the lesson I learned is that when you hit rock bottom, you really learn who you are.

I find it a shame that your ignorance shines through in your posts on this forum. It saddens me to know that you are so cold to people who may never be able to attain wealth. Still, there is nothing wrong with low or middle class. Having a lesser lifestyle, is not an indication of less happiness. If you throw away your multi-million dollar job in favor of a family with a middle class living, then more power to you, if it brings you happiness.

I am currently dating a girl a tier above my social class, and it poses some problems, due to her naive friends and some of her family. However, I know that all she truly desires from me is my love, and for me, that is enough to deal with a lifetime of ignorant opposition from people like you.

Forgive me, but I too do not feel this thread belongs within this forum. Unfortunately, I feel as if this thread was created only to cause problems. I also feel as if OsSpengler is at a disadvantage, because he/she may truly be part of the top 1%, but he/she is also learning that 1% is a severely small number, especially if you are trying to fight an argument.

Maybe you are someone's child, or came into money you did not work for. Otherwise, you would understand the amount of problems a thread like this would cause, and how insulting it truly is to the lower-class majority.

 

[finkl]

OnSpengler,

You are a very confident man, I must admit. You were so confident about your fashion sense that you called my ex-girlfriend (who got her art degree from NYU, fashion merchandising from Parsons, and fashion design from FIT, and works for Newman Marcus) a fashion ignorant. I am open-minded enough to buy that because, after all, fashion is a very subjective matter. I did not really have any intention to attack your sense of fashion ego because, again, it is very subjective. I was just trying to point out that your deal was not hot at all and probably inappropriate for this forum. A 30% sale on high-fashion clothes is FAR from hot. According to recent study, over 80% of high-fashion clothes are sold during sale. In other words, not many buy them with normal price. Those clothes are priced accordingly (=high). Thus, writing 4 HOTs in the title for this not-so-spetacular deal wasn't too appropriate.

Secondly, you were pretentious as most posters to this thread agreed. You could have simply informed us of the 30% sale at Saks without trying to be kind enough to let us know what you had picked up and how good your fashion sense was. If so, not many people would have attacked you. Probably a couple of cynical jokes would have been posted, but I guess that would have been all. The overwhelming amount of negative comments about you and your post prove that you were pretentious and made people very uneasy. By posting message to this forum, you ARE talking to us, and what and how you write triggers how we respond. You successfully triggered negative responses of a massive magnitude.

Third, I gave you the example of Emporio Armani not because I am a big fan of the brand. I just want to give you an example of a good post. Someone posted 60% off Emporio Armani deal last year, and MANY people loved the post. As far as I can recall, nobody criticized the person for posting a deal for expensive clothes. There are a few CLEAR differences between you and the person: (1) He/she just posted the deal without trying to educate us about fashion; and (2) It was indeed a good deal for those who like the brand (60% is uncommon). Why was he/she loved and you hated? Try to figure that out.

Posting on a public board requires responsibilities -- not making other feel uneasy is one of them, I dare to say. You cannot be liked by everyone. Everyone has friends and enemies. But when you are attacked by everyone, you should really think about why.

 

[ChiefBrody]

Ok. Enough about D&C and Armani and all those other cheap designers. You want a REAL bargain on some quality threads. I'm not talkin just crap here. This stuff, in many circles is considered, well, not to sound snobbish. But, the best.

KMart is having a great sale on a 3 pack of men's underwear. Only $6.99 Here is the Linky

Even better. Here is a guy that really knows fashion. He has so many designer labels. He must get a different woman every night. You can see him here. This guy makes an $8000 suit look like a cleaning rag!

 

[mrjag]

I have been a lurker for many years and signed up today just to put in my 2 cents. Originally I found this thread amusing, but after a while it became obvious that the humor turned into hate. It doesn't look like anyone else is going to stand up for him so I would like to put my support behind the original poster. It was mentioned that anyone that has the kind of money to buy a $500+ sweater does not need a hot deal, but I disagree. Frivolous spending within any social class will empty out anyone's bank account. There is a reason why I wait for the sales at Banana Republic instead of just buying my clothes at a price that I consider to be expensive. I grew up lower class, worked my way through college, and have earned place in the middle class and yet I still watch my spending like I used to. I personally can not imagine spending $8k on a suit, but only because I can not afford it at this point in my life. Perhaps someday, with some luck and hard work, I will have a job that allows such luxuries.

It is unfortunate that our world has become so 'politically correct' that a sale on something expensive can be thought of as truly insulting to the lower-class majority. The last time I checked, Hot Deals was a forum for hot deals on anything and everything, not just hot deals for the lower and middle class. If the clothing is not your style, size, or price range then the best thing to do is to just move on. What is most disturbing is how some people can sit there and judge how others spend their money. Most of us are probably somewhere in the middle class. Of those who can afford GAP, Banana Republic, or Old Navy (for example), I highly doubt we get the majority of our clothes at Walmart -- or an even more extreme, a thrift shop / community resale -- and then donate the money saved to a world wide humanity cause.

I commend the original poster for explaining why Saks 5th Avenue clothing cost as much as it does and what the advantages are to owning such a piece of clothing. At his suggestion, I certainly will try something on the next time I'm near a high end clothing store to see if it is even worth considering for myself. I find his responses no different than Anand reviewing the merits of the latest CPU and perhaps comparing it to some alternatives at other price points. (Athlon vs Duron, P4 vs Celeron). By having all the facts from the bigger picture we can all make more educated purchasing decisions and decide whether we like the Athlon or Duron. Likewise, is Walmart, Bananna Republic, or Saks 5th Avenue for you?

 

[maijohn87]

MrJag:

It was not the sale that was so offensive, it was the manner in which he posted this sale. Read Spurst's post at the top of the page, and read it close.

 

[mattg1981]

Originally posted by: 50

Originally posted by: OsSpengler
Ok, to fend off the critics:

First: you can't put a price on quality. Much of the "inexpensive" clothing on the market (Gap, Polo etc.) is made in south-east Asian sweatshops by child labor. These clothes are completely machine made; of poor fabric; and of inferior construction. They are made for an American market, meaning they are generally two sizes too large, and they have the fit of a paper-bag.

Contrast that with an Italian-made Brioni shirt: hand-sewn, single needlepoint stitching, soft luxurious fabrics, mother-of-pearl buttons, and a form-fitting shape.

Second: price is all relative. I'm amazed that you find these prices so excessive: I have a colleague who spends upwards of $8,000 on bespoke (custom-made) Kiton suits. That I find a tad excessive.

Third: I probably have a NYC-centric view of the fashion world. But so it goes.

Maybe these rules don't apply online, but you're often what you wear.

It's people like you who make me sick

I agree

 

[yak8998]

Originally posted by: Spurst
OsSpengler,

I find that your word usage does not compliment your style of grammar. It is as if you are attempting to write at a higher level than you should be.

I guess it is the punctuation and contraction use that raises some question. I hope this is just a misjudgment on my part, because if the latter is true, I truly feel sorry for you.

If you are going to argue, do so in a decently civilized manner. That was a low-blow at him, and not even completely true. Just because a person uses big words doesn't mean he is trying to act big. I have a friend who has a gigantic vocabulary, but his grammer is less than stellar. Maybe it doesn't compliment his 'style' but its the words he uses. I have the grammer of a pre-schooler, but I would say I have an above average vocabulary. And why would you 'truly feel sorry' for him because of this? You feel sorry for him because his grammer is not up to par???

People like me are the future of the world.

...

I find it a shame that your ignorance shines through in your posts on this forum. It saddens me to know that you are so cold to people who may never be able to attain wealth. Still, there is nothing wrong with low or middle class. Having a lesser lifestyle, is not an indication of less happiness. If you throw away your multi-million dollar job in favor of a family with a middle class living, then more power to you, if it brings you happiness.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not see where he is being cruel to people in lower classes. He simply posted a deal on nice clothing at a hot deals forum. Not every thing posted here is necessarily about computers.

I am currently dating a girl a tier above my social class

I am hoping you mean economic class?

Forgive me, but I too do not feel this thread belongs within this forum. Unfortunately, I feel as if this thread was created only to cause problems. I also feel as if OsSpengler is at a disadvantage, because he/she may truly be part of the top 1%, but he/she is also learning that 1% is a severely small number, especially if you are trying to fight an argument.

Maybe you are someone's child, or came into money you did not work for. Otherwise, you would understand the amount of problems a thread like this would cause, and how insulting it truly is to the lower-class majority.

How is this insulting to the lower-class majority? Is it any less so than threads about '5900FX for only $450!' is to those who can't afford it? I don't see him saying anywhere that 'I can afford this, if you can't you suck but I am posting it anyways'.

Can you please answer to any of this? If any posts were extremely 'cold' or ignorant, it would have been yours.

 

[Softy]

Originally posted by: mrjag
I have been a lurker for many years and signed up today just to put in my 2 cents. Originally I found this thread amusing, but after a while it became obvious that the humor turned into hate. It doesn't look like anyone else is going to stand up for him so I would like to put my support behind the original poster. It was mentioned that anyone that has the kind of money to buy a $500+ sweater does not need a hot deal, but I disagree. Frivolous spending within any social class will empty out anyone's bank account. There is a reason why I wait for the sales at Banana Republic instead of just buying my clothes at a price that I consider to be expensive. I grew up lower class, worked my way through college, and have earned place in the middle class and yet I still watch my spending like I used to. I personally can not imagine spending $8k on a suit, but only because I can not afford it at this point in my life. Perhaps someday, with some luck and hard work, I will have a job that allows such luxuries.

It is unfortunate that our world has become so 'politically correct' that a sale on something expensive can be thought of as truly insulting to the lower-class majority. The last time I checked, Hot Deals was a forum for hot deals on anything and everything, not just hot deals for the lower and middle class. If the clothing is not your style, size, or price range then the best thing to do is to just move on. What is most disturbing is how some people can sit there and judge how others spend their money. Most of us are probably somewhere in the middle class. Of those who can afford GAP, Banana Republic, or Old Navy (for example), I highly doubt we get the majority of our clothes at Walmart -- or an even more extreme, a thrift shop / community resale -- and then donate the money saved to a world wide humanity cause.

I commend the original poster for explaining why Saks 5th Avenue clothing cost as much as it does and what the advantages are to owning such a piece of clothing. At his suggestion, I certainly will try something on the next time I'm near a high end clothing store to see if it is even worth considering for myself. I find his responses no different than Anand reviewing the merits of the latest CPU and perhaps comparing it to some alternatives at other price points. (Athlon vs Duron, P4 vs Celeron). By having all the facts from the bigger picture we can all make more educated purchasing decisions and decide whether we like the Athlon or Duron. Likewise, is Walmart, Bananna Republic, or Saks 5th Avenue for you?

It's great that you decided to step out from the shadows and stop lurking but wow did you ever miss the point. The reaction he received had nothing to do with political correctness or class distinction. Not a single person would have cared had the original poster simply posted his so so deal as 30% off at Saks. There would have been maybe 2 replies. Instead he posted it as "HOT HOT HOTTER than HOT" which it is NOT and then went on to tell us what he purchased. Then he proceeded to arrogantly educate us about fashion. When he was blasted for his ridiculous deal he then characterized us as uneducated fools and finally in the ultimate testament to his overinflated ego he told one poster who merely questioned the hotness of his deal to "Please, in the future, speak to when spoken to".

This "deal" and its resulting thread have nothing to do with a hot deal, jealousy, hatred, or class. At best it was posted as flame bait and at worst it was the result of a pretentious ego who thinks the world is interested in his shopping list, his image, his fashion philosophy, and finally in his self-important and pompous attitude.

 

[ChiefBrody]

I couldn't have said it better. This was about a guy acting like a superior jerk. It's obvious he is a troll or just an AH. Not only did the poster you responded to have the context wrong. He is also 'very likely' wrong about rich people lurking in this forum. One of the funnest things about being rich is the ability to spend friviously. Just follow a celebrity around during a day of shopping. I can't imagine a guy sitting around in his 8k suit, clicking on an Amazon link because a pizza cutter is mis-priced at $1.

But I can see how growing poor as the lurker did, would skew his view of spending and it's applications.

 

[RhythmAddict]

keep in mind some people like computers...some like nice clothing...some like both.

some people want that latest ath 64 with a sick mobo and 4 GB of ram running SCSI RAID & gig ethernet...some want a 2,000 dollar coat - to each his (or her) own.

 

[ChiefBrody]

Originally posted by: yak8998

Originally posted by: Spurst
OsSpengler,

I find that your word usage does not compliment your style of grammar. It is as if you are attempting to write at a higher level than you should be.

I guess it is the punctuation and contraction use that raises some question. I hope this is just a misjudgment on my part, because if the latter is true, I truly feel sorry for you.

If you are going to argue, do so in a decently civilized manner. That was a low-blow at him, and not even completely true. Just because a person uses big words doesn't mean he is trying to act big. I have a friend who has a gigantic vocabulary, but his grammer is less than stellar. Maybe it doesn't compliment his 'style' but its the words he uses. I have the grammer of a pre-schooler, but I would say I have an above average vocabulary. And why would you 'truly feel sorry' for him because of this? You feel sorry for him because his grammer is not up to par???

Your grammar isn't bad, but the holier than thou tude, has got to go. I feel sorry for him because he is an arrogant jack ass, probably a flaming fagala, who will ultimately get AIDS. But, at least he'll look good.

People like me are the future of the world.

...

I find it a shame that your ignorance shines through in your posts on this forum. It saddens me to know that you are so cold to people who may never be able to attain wealth. Still, there is nothing wrong with low or middle class. Having a lesser lifestyle, is not an indication of less happiness. If you throw away your multi-million dollar job in favor of a family with a middle class living, then more power to you, if it brings you happiness.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not see where he is being cruel to people in lower classes. He simply posted a deal on nice clothing at a hot deals forum. Not every thing posted here is necessarily about computers.

No. He simply misled this forum, then came off as a superior snob, when, in fact, he is probably a Daewoo driving fries person at the local McDonalds

I am currently dating a girl a tier above my social class

I am hoping you mean economic class?

Forgive me, but I too do not feel this thread belongs within this forum. Unfortunately, I feel as if this thread was created only to cause problems. I also feel as if OsSpengler is at a disadvantage, because he/she may truly be part of the top 1%, but he/she is also learning that 1% is a severely small number, especially if you are trying to fight an argument.

Maybe you are someone's child, or came into money you did not work for. Otherwise, you would understand the amount of problems a thread like this would cause, and how insulting it truly is to the lower-class majority.

How is this insulting to the lower-class majority? Is it any less so than threads about '5900FX for only $450!' is to those who can't afford it? I don't see him saying anywhere that 'I can afford this, if you can't you suck but I am posting it anyways'.

Can you please answer to any of this? If any posts were extremely 'cold' or ignorant, it would have been yours.

The majority of people here are not lower class either. They can't even afford the true HOT deals. Probably mostl of the people who hang out here are teens, geeks and 'lower middle, middle and upper middle here.

 

[ChiefBrody]

Originally posted by: RhythmAddict
keep in mind some people like computers...some like nice clothing...some like both.

some people want that latest ath 64 with a sick mobo and 4 GB of ram running SCSI RAID & gig ethernet...some want a 2,000 dollar coat - to each his (or her) own.

Agreed 100%. But when people become snobs about it, that's when the flames begin, and rightfully so, IMO.