*HOT!* GeForce 2 "PRO" for $170!

GoldenTiger

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Check out United Micro and do a search for "Pro". They have an eVGA 32mb GeForce 2 PRO Version (it is OEM but boxed, that is why it is 32mb, it is a real Pro version, pro isn't a nickname or anything it is the real deal). I know it's an offbrand, but I've heard it is just as good as a "normal" brand and performs the same. You'll get INSANE performance for $170 if you go for this. Pro is an OEM name for "GeForce 2 Ultra". It is the same thing but with less RAM, but as I said it performs literally just about the same as a normal 64mb model.

United Micro is rated well on Resellerratings and Bizrate, so don't worry about ordering from them.

EDIT: I heard from several other places that this is a true Ultra, however since people have posted here otherwise, I have changed the thread title to "PRO" since I don't know what to believe now. If you order it, I'd expect either a "Pro" model or an Ultra model, though. Look around and see if you can find someone who's ordered it to ask what it really is.
 

arod

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I dunno if the deal is over but the page for the card is messed up, like they are trying to delete it.

EDIT: I might get this if somebody can tell me for sure how it plays in 2k under my Athlon 1050 and K7tpro2-a
 

kwan

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no gts pro uses an agp PRO slot not a regular one. it does perform a little better then a regular one
 

Sensor

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I would not recommend.

About 2 months ago I bought a Creative TNT2 16MB from them for a great price. When I got it, it turned out to be a Creative TNT2-Value (i.e. M64), and it wasn't such a good price. They gave me my money back, but it took about a month and that's what this is -- a misprint.
 

DigitlDrug

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I hate misinformation

OK there are 3 flavors of Gefore 2

Regular and pro have the same clocked gpu, the ram on the pro is clocked higher to remove some of the bottle neck.

The ultra has 50 mhz faster gpu and even faster ram than the pro.

for specs and numbers see the anandtech article on the hurcules GF2 Pro
 

KaOTiK

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:( i was bustin out my card gettin ready to order till i saw pro :(

I didnt even know there were 32mb version of the Pro

Kao
 

arod

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If this is a pro this is a good card. On anandtech review he said that the pro when overclocked could reach Ultra speeds.
 

Booty

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A Geforce 2 Pro is also 64 megs I believe...this card doesn't sound any different than a GF2 GTS...32 megs of ram...does it say what clock speeds this ships at? A GF2 Pro w/ 32 megs of ram would be basically a slightly overclocked GF2 GTS. From what I know only a Pro w/64 megs of ram can be o/ced to perform like an Ultra, but then again an Ultra can be o/ced even further than it's stock speeds...if you can tell me that this thing is shipped with faster ram chips, then I might be interested, but as is I think this is probably misinformation.

You should change your thread title...this is NOT an Ultra. You know that. If anything, change it to PRO, and add 32 megs...as it is it'd be like me posting "T-Bird 1.33 GHZ for $100" and then in the message saying, "well, it's only a 750, but I've heard that you can o/c these things really high"...
 

Jdog

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Hey guys, before you buy, you should know that I remember reading that some GF2s were being marked as Pros because they have a newer revision of the GPU but do not in fact have the faster ram. I think it was eVGA who was doing this. I remember the guy said they had a sticker on the box that said Pro over GTS, and when he looked at the clock speed with Powerstrip, it was GTS. (sorry, I tried to find it, but couldn't. It was linked from ard|OCP a while ago.) Buyer beware.
 

BubbaWilly

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OK. This obviously needs to be clarified. First off their are 3 versions of the GeForce2 (not counting the MX). The "plain" GTS is a 32MB or 64MB card with a 200MHz core and 333MHz memory. This is the popular one. Another is the "Ultra". These cards have 64MB and have a 250MHz core and 460MHz memory. These are the high performance cards that NVIDIA pushes to death. The last variant is the "Pro". These cards have 64MB and have the same 200MHz core as the normal GTS, but have 400MHz memory. Now for anyone whose into the 3D card scene with the GeForce cards in particular, you'll know that the memory is the primary bottleneck on the GeForce2 chipset, making the Pro very attractive because you get near "Ultra" performance for roughly $250-$300. The only problem is that NVIDIA released this chip at the same time as the "Ultra" (actually, the Pro is the same chip as the GTS but test-sorted as a higher quality) and failed to tell anyone.

NOW, as for eVGA... They're semi-"trying to pull a fast one" on the public. Their "Pro" card does have the 400MHz memory, but it's only 32MB. NVIDIA's spec for "Pro" boards is 64MB. AND they're NOT using chips that are test-sorted by NVIDIA at the higher quality. Granted, the GPU on the "Pro" boards are IDENTICAL to those found on the GTS, they still haven't been rated by NVIDIA at "Pro grade".

The deal still does sound good, but it's DEFINITELY NOT and "Ultra" and NOT a "Pro"...Think of it as somewhat in between.
 

Booty

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GoldenTiger...please change the name of the thread to something along the lines of "GeForce 2 w/32 MB 5ns ram for $170" or something like that, since this is obviously not a ultra, nor is it a *true* pro. We already have e-vga confusing some not-so-well-informed buyers. We don't need a misleading thread title confusing them even more...
 

GoldenTiger

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I heard from several other forums that it is a true ultra... I'll change the thread title to "Pro" since I don't know what to believe at this point.
 

arod

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PowerColor Computer nVidia Geforce2 GTS 64MB DDR TV-Out (Retail) (Retail Box) 1 yr dealer warranty, ETA Feb. 28 $ 229 10+

First i know it is on back order my question is this card better of is the 32 mb mentioned here better. for the $50 difference.

Also, When the nv20 comes out how much do you expect these cards to drop? Because I want a new card but I can wait up to 6 months for it. (Rage Fury 32mb)
 

lzpoof

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OK, here is the honest to goodness POSITIVELY CORRECT scoop on any EVGA Geforce2 Pro 32MB card you may see. I have been reading through a few threads and also CALLED Evga to find out... let's get rid of the misinformation and 'heard wrong's

1) Pro is NOT an OEM name for Ultra. The correct thing you heard was 'OEMs couldn't afford the Ultra for mid-end systems, so Nvidia created the Geforce 2 Pro, which is a hand sorted GTS GPU (overclock better than average GTS GPU , but that doesn't help you much at all). The Geforce 2 Pro cards are supposed to come with 64MB of 5ns RAM (easier to get and much cheaper than the Ultra's memory). This makes it cheaper for OEMs to implement while still charging a hefty premium over a system with standard GTS cards.'

2) The EVGA Geforce2 PRo 32MB version is essentially a Geforce 2 GTS. According to rumor, Nvidia has been getting higher yields on GPUs and therefore has more that meet whatever standards that have been set. The Pro GPU and GTS GPU are still clocked the same , but the PRO overclocks slightly better. This change will mean that all GTS's using a Geforce 2 PRO GPU will overclock better than GTS CARDS that still use standard old GTS GPU (eventually will be extinct). Since the 2 GPUs are the same chips (just picked for better overclocking), this essentially doesn't change the cards themselves much, just ensures all GTSs and PROs will overclock equally as far as core goes.

3) The memory on EVGA Geforce2 Pro 32MB will be 6ns like any GTS. This card should be labelled as a GTS, EVGA jsut took the opportunity with the more abundant , better overclocking GPUs available and changed the card's name to PRO from GTS. They did not, however put 5ns RAM on the 32MB card. This card is a Geforce PRO GPU (a high quality GTS GPU) and 32MB of 6ns RAM. The 64MB EVGA Geforce2 Pro is a true Geforce Pro CARD as it comes with 64MB of 5ns RAM and a Geforce Pro GPU. A GPU does not a card make. In order to be a true Pro card (not just named that) a card must have 5ns RAM. EVGA is blatantly lying to you here and trying to use a loophole to get away with it. If anyone complains, they can just say that the card is a Geforce2 Pro GPU on it. But you will still not have the better memory. EVGA is usually a nice company from what I hear, but they are BS artists in this case (probably to attract more OEMs and uninformed people).



4) Leadtek is in fact making truly better versions of the GTS for those who want one. They are taking their 32MB and 64 MB GTS (not PRo cards, but most liekly containing Pro GPUs) and replacing the standard 6ns RAM with 5.5 ns RAM. They are also replacing the coolers on them with ones that better direct airflow over the memory to help when you overclock memory. the cards will also have 3 status LEDS (not particularly useful). The current 'ENHANCED' Leadtek 64 MB GTS goes for around 250 on pricewatch, which is 30 less than the cheapest PRO CARD (Hercules). This may seem kidn of expensive, but it bridges the gap between GTS and PRO (not much of one) and it can be overclocked to PRO levels easily. They will also be releasing an 'ENHANCED' Geforce 2 GTS 32MB with 5.5ns RAM soon. I don't have an exact date cause I wasn't given one, but since Leadtek's GF2 GTS goes for 170 on pricewatch (same or less than EVGA), it doesn't seem like the Enhanced 32MB version will be much more than 200 or so (with the possibility of PRO level performance at 1280X1024 or below). Add in NV20 launching, and this would be the card to wait for if you won't get a true PRO card.

Lastly *phew*, this is from EVGAs own website:


Greg - 02/09/01: Ummm by the way these are NOT GF2 PRO's. And this is why. Andrew Han, from eVGA,
was kind enough to explain the situation to me. Apparently, according to Andrew, NVIDIA has stopped
producing the GTS chipset and replaced it with the Pro chipset. That makes sense for NVIDIA if they are
getting good yields on the Pro chipset. Dropping the GTS helps them focus their line. In its place, NVIDIA is
sending the Pro instead. When a manufacturer request a 32MB configuration, they get the Pro chipset with
the slower 6ns memory. Since they didn't raise the prices, Andrew said it was like getting a free upgrade to
the Pro. I contacted Derek Perez, from NVIDIA, and asked him about the Pro. He acknowledged that the
Pro chipset was faster than the GTS; it wasn't just the memory. He also indicated that vendors were free to
choose their own memory configurations. They could make a 16MB Pro if they wanted to. I got to thinking
about that on my way home from work and I couldn't get the fact that the drivers said "GTS" instead of Pro
out of my head. I starting digging around NVIDIA's site and found the following information for Device ID's.
dwVendorID 0x150 - GeForce2 GTS 0x151 - GeForce2 GTS 0x152 - GeForce2 Ultra 0x153 - Quadro2 Pro
Notice how there is only one ID for the Pro. In the 6.50 drivers for example, that Device ID is called the
"NV15GL". Now if I understand it correctly, the drivers hold the information for the core and memory timings.
If there is only one entry for a Pro, then logic would have it that it probably holds the settings for the "typical"
Pro with the 5ns memory. Therefore if these companies, who are selling the 32MB (6ns) GeForce2 Pro
cards, tried using the ID of 0x153, it would overclock the memory significantly and the card would probably
be unstable. The closest ID they could use and run reliably was 0x150. Since I have one of these cards, I
decided to check the registry settings to see what ID they were using. It was in fact identified as ID 0x150,
a basic GeForce 2 GTS. This is confirmed by the 200/333 settings for the core/memory that my card is set
for. Everything I saw indicated that the card is really a GeForce2 GTS and not a GeForce2 Pro. So what's
the bottom line? Assuming I wasn't sold a GTS in Pro clothing (and that is still a possibility), then there is a
problem here. I starting digging around NVIDIA's site and found the following information for Device ID's.
dwVendorID 0x150 - GeForce2 GTS 0x151 - GeForce2 GTS 0x152 - GeForce2 Ultra 0x153 - Quadro2 Pro
Notice how there is only one ID for the Pro. In the 6.50 drivers for example, that Device ID is called the
"NV15GL". Now if I understand it correctly, the drivers hold the information for the core and memory timings.
If there is only one entry for a Pro, then logic would have it that it probably holds the settings for the "typical"
Pro with the 5ns memory. Therefore if these companies, who are selling the 32MB (6ns) GeForce2 Pro
cards, tried using the ID of 0x153, it would overclock the memory significantly and the card would probably
be unstable. The closest ID they could use and run reliably was 0x150. Since I have one of these cards, I
decided to check the registry settings to see what ID they were using. It was in fact identified as ID 0x150,
a basic GeForce 2 GTS. This is confirmed by the 200/333 settings for the core/memory that my card is set
for. Everything I saw indicated that the card is really a GeForce2 GTS and not a GeForce2 Pro. If board
manufacturers are going to be mating a Pro chipset with slower memory, then NVIDIA needs to provide a
new ID for that combination that allows for a higher GPU clock, but a slower memory clock. It also means
that manufacturers will have to issue BIOS updates to reprogram that ID. They should also reconsider using
the "Pro" name. Until then, be careful of the 32MB Pro cards. If you were planning to purchase a GTS
anyway, then go for it - you are probably getting a bit more for your money. However, if you are expecting
64MB speed in a 32MB board, you will be disappointed.
 

gogeeta13

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UM is loacated in solon, ohio. i live in solon and have personally dealt with them. They are very honest and helpfull. Although this deal is not that hot, i can verify that it would be safe to order from them. I personally know the owner, and have sent many clients through them. In the event that something were to happen, their in my back yard and i could help with any probs you might have with them. Just my .02 of help
 

Jdog

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<< Lastly *phew*, this is from EVGAs own website:


Greg - 02/09/01: Ummm by the way these are NOT GF2 PRO's. And this is why. Andrew Han, from eVGA,
was kind enough to explain the situation to me. Apparently, according to Andrew, NVIDIA has stopped
producing the GTS chipset and replaced it with the Pro chipset. That makes sense for NVIDIA if they are
getting good yields on the Pro chipset. Dropping the GTS helps them focus their line. In its place, NVIDIA is
sending the Pro instead. When a manufacturer request a 32MB configuration, they get the Pro chipset with
the slower 6ns memory. Since they didn't raise the prices, Andrew said it was like getting a free upgrade to
the Pro. I contacted Derek Perez, from NVIDIA, and asked him about the Pro. He acknowledged that the
Pro chipset was faster than the GTS; it wasn't just the memory. He also indicated that vendors were free to
choose their own memory configurations. They could make a 16MB Pro if they wanted to. I got to thinking
about that on my way home from work and I couldn't get the fact that the drivers said &quot;GTS&quot; instead of Pro
out of my head. I starting digging around NVIDIA's site and found the following information for Device ID's.
dwVendorID 0x150 - GeForce2 GTS 0x151 - GeForce2 GTS 0x152 - GeForce2 Ultra 0x153 - Quadro2 Pro
Notice how there is only one ID for the Pro. In the 6.50 drivers for example, that Device ID is called the
&quot;NV15GL&quot;. Now if I understand it correctly, the drivers hold the information for the core and memory timings.
If there is only one entry for a Pro, then logic would have it that it probably holds the settings for the &quot;typical&quot;
Pro with the 5ns memory. Therefore if these companies, who are selling the 32MB (6ns) GeForce2 Pro
cards, tried using the ID of 0x153, it would overclock the memory significantly and the card would probably
be unstable. The closest ID they could use and run reliably was 0x150. Since I have one of these cards, I
decided to check the registry settings to see what ID they were using. It was in fact identified as ID 0x150,
a basic GeForce 2 GTS. This is confirmed by the 200/333 settings for the core/memory that my card is set
for. Everything I saw indicated that the card is really a GeForce2 GTS and not a GeForce2 Pro. So what's
the bottom line? Assuming I wasn't sold a GTS in Pro clothing (and that is still a possibility), then there is a
problem here. I starting digging around NVIDIA's site and found the following information for Device ID's.
dwVendorID 0x150 - GeForce2 GTS 0x151 - GeForce2 GTS 0x152 - GeForce2 Ultra 0x153 - Quadro2 Pro
Notice how there is only one ID for the Pro. In the 6.50 drivers for example, that Device ID is called the
&quot;NV15GL&quot;. Now if I understand it correctly, the drivers hold the information for the core and memory timings.
If there is only one entry for a Pro, then logic would have it that it probably holds the settings for the &quot;typical&quot;
Pro with the 5ns memory. Therefore if these companies, who are selling the 32MB (6ns) GeForce2 Pro
cards, tried using the ID of 0x153, it would overclock the memory significantly and the card would probably
be unstable. The closest ID they could use and run reliably was 0x150. Since I have one of these cards, I
decided to check the registry settings to see what ID they were using. It was in fact identified as ID 0x150,
a basic GeForce 2 GTS. This is confirmed by the 200/333 settings for the core/memory that my card is set
for. Everything I saw indicated that the card is really a GeForce2 GTS and not a GeForce2 Pro. If board
manufacturers are going to be mating a Pro chipset with slower memory, then NVIDIA needs to provide a
new ID for that combination that allows for a higher GPU clock, but a slower memory clock. It also means
that manufacturers will have to issue BIOS updates to reprogram that ID. They should also reconsider using
the &quot;Pro&quot; name. Until then, be careful of the 32MB Pro cards. If you were planning to purchase a GTS
anyway, then go for it - you are probably getting a bit more for your money. However, if you are expecting
64MB speed in a 32MB board, you will be disappointed.
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This is the post I was referring to.