OK, here is the honest to goodness POSITIVELY CORRECT scoop on any EVGA Geforce2 Pro 32MB card you may see. I have been reading through a few threads and also CALLED Evga to find out... let's get rid of the misinformation and 'heard wrong's
1) Pro is NOT an OEM name for Ultra. The correct thing you heard was 'OEMs couldn't afford the Ultra for mid-end systems, so Nvidia created the Geforce 2 Pro, which is a hand sorted GTS GPU (overclock better than average GTS GPU , but that doesn't help you much at all). The Geforce 2 Pro cards are supposed to come with 64MB of 5ns RAM (easier to get and much cheaper than the Ultra's memory). This makes it cheaper for OEMs to implement while still charging a hefty premium over a system with standard GTS cards.'
2) The EVGA Geforce2 PRo 32MB version is essentially a Geforce 2 GTS. According to rumor, Nvidia has been getting higher yields on GPUs and therefore has more that meet whatever standards that have been set. The Pro GPU and GTS GPU are still clocked the same , but the PRO overclocks slightly better. This change will mean that all GTS's using a Geforce 2 PRO GPU will overclock better than GTS CARDS that still use standard old GTS GPU (eventually will be extinct). Since the 2 GPUs are the same chips (just picked for better overclocking), this essentially doesn't change the cards themselves much, just ensures all GTSs and PROs will overclock equally as far as core goes.
3) The memory on EVGA Geforce2 Pro 32MB will be 6ns like any GTS. This card should be labelled as a GTS, EVGA jsut took the opportunity with the more abundant , better overclocking GPUs available and changed the card's name to PRO from GTS. They did not, however put 5ns RAM on the 32MB card. This card is a Geforce PRO GPU (a high quality GTS GPU) and 32MB of 6ns RAM. The 64MB EVGA Geforce2 Pro is a true Geforce Pro CARD as it comes with 64MB of 5ns RAM and a Geforce Pro GPU. A GPU does not a card make. In order to be a true Pro card (not just named that) a card must have 5ns RAM. EVGA is blatantly lying to you here and trying to use a loophole to get away with it. If anyone complains, they can just say that the card is a Geforce2 Pro GPU on it. But you will still not have the better memory. EVGA is usually a nice company from what I hear, but they are BS artists in this case (probably to attract more OEMs and uninformed people).
4) Leadtek is in fact making truly better versions of the GTS for those who want one. They are taking their 32MB and 64 MB GTS (not PRo cards, but most liekly containing Pro GPUs) and replacing the standard 6ns RAM with 5.5 ns RAM. They are also replacing the coolers on them with ones that better direct airflow over the memory to help when you overclock memory. the cards will also have 3 status LEDS (not particularly useful). The current 'ENHANCED' Leadtek 64 MB GTS goes for around 250 on pricewatch, which is 30 less than the cheapest PRO CARD (Hercules). This may seem kidn of expensive, but it bridges the gap between GTS and PRO (not much of one) and it can be overclocked to PRO levels easily. They will also be releasing an 'ENHANCED' Geforce 2 GTS 32MB with 5.5ns RAM soon. I don't have an exact date cause I wasn't given one, but since Leadtek's GF2 GTS goes for 170 on pricewatch (same or less than EVGA), it doesn't seem like the Enhanced 32MB version will be much more than 200 or so (with the possibility of PRO level performance at 1280X1024 or below). Add in NV20 launching, and this would be the card to wait for if you won't get a true PRO card.
Lastly *phew*, this is from EVGAs own website:
Greg - 02/09/01: Ummm by the way these are NOT GF2 PRO's. And this is why. Andrew Han, from eVGA,
was kind enough to explain the situation to me. Apparently, according to Andrew, NVIDIA has stopped
producing the GTS chipset and replaced it with the Pro chipset. That makes sense for NVIDIA if they are
getting good yields on the Pro chipset. Dropping the GTS helps them focus their line. In its place, NVIDIA is
sending the Pro instead. When a manufacturer request a 32MB configuration, they get the Pro chipset with
the slower 6ns memory. Since they didn't raise the prices, Andrew said it was like getting a free upgrade to
the Pro. I contacted Derek Perez, from NVIDIA, and asked him about the Pro. He acknowledged that the
Pro chipset was faster than the GTS; it wasn't just the memory. He also indicated that vendors were free to
choose their own memory configurations. They could make a 16MB Pro if they wanted to. I got to thinking
about that on my way home from work and I couldn't get the fact that the drivers said "GTS" instead of Pro
out of my head. I starting digging around NVIDIA's site and found the following information for Device ID's.
dwVendorID 0x150 - GeForce2 GTS 0x151 - GeForce2 GTS 0x152 - GeForce2 Ultra 0x153 - Quadro2 Pro
Notice how there is only one ID for the Pro. In the 6.50 drivers for example, that Device ID is called the
"NV15GL". Now if I understand it correctly, the drivers hold the information for the core and memory timings.
If there is only one entry for a Pro, then logic would have it that it probably holds the settings for the "typical"
Pro with the 5ns memory. Therefore if these companies, who are selling the 32MB (6ns) GeForce2 Pro
cards, tried using the ID of 0x153, it would overclock the memory significantly and the card would probably
be unstable. The closest ID they could use and run reliably was 0x150. Since I have one of these cards, I
decided to check the registry settings to see what ID they were using. It was in fact identified as ID 0x150,
a basic GeForce 2 GTS. This is confirmed by the 200/333 settings for the core/memory that my card is set
for. Everything I saw indicated that the card is really a GeForce2 GTS and not a GeForce2 Pro. So what's
the bottom line? Assuming I wasn't sold a GTS in Pro clothing (and that is still a possibility), then there is a
problem here. I starting digging around NVIDIA's site and found the following information for Device ID's.
dwVendorID 0x150 - GeForce2 GTS 0x151 - GeForce2 GTS 0x152 - GeForce2 Ultra 0x153 - Quadro2 Pro
Notice how there is only one ID for the Pro. In the 6.50 drivers for example, that Device ID is called the
"NV15GL". Now if I understand it correctly, the drivers hold the information for the core and memory timings.
If there is only one entry for a Pro, then logic would have it that it probably holds the settings for the "typical"
Pro with the 5ns memory. Therefore if these companies, who are selling the 32MB (6ns) GeForce2 Pro
cards, tried using the ID of 0x153, it would overclock the memory significantly and the card would probably
be unstable. The closest ID they could use and run reliably was 0x150. Since I have one of these cards, I
decided to check the registry settings to see what ID they were using. It was in fact identified as ID 0x150,
a basic GeForce 2 GTS. This is confirmed by the 200/333 settings for the core/memory that my card is set
for. Everything I saw indicated that the card is really a GeForce2 GTS and not a GeForce2 Pro. If board
manufacturers are going to be mating a Pro chipset with slower memory, then NVIDIA needs to provide a
new ID for that combination that allows for a higher GPU clock, but a slower memory clock. It also means
that manufacturers will have to issue BIOS updates to reprogram that ID. They should also reconsider using
the "Pro" name. Until then, be careful of the 32MB Pro cards. If you were planning to purchase a GTS
anyway, then go for it - you are probably getting a bit more for your money. However, if you are expecting
64MB speed in a 32MB board, you will be disappointed.