hbsalesinc
Member
Ok, well I received the ATI card today AND the MSI card at the same time....
Which one do I keep? hmmm...
Is either one better than the other?
Which one do I keep? hmmm...
Is either one better than the other?
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If that's a 4550, 4600 or 400SC, that "250W" PSU is actually 345W max continuous. Read the label on it. Dell rates the PSUs very conservatively.
I'm really worried about the cheap "300W max" PSU in my HP SR1010Z. The x800XT PE only uses 20-25W more than the 6600GT I have in it now, so maybe i'll luck out.
TrojanAaron
Senior member
Yea... I'm running my "250w" supply on a Dimensions 4550. But granted that I'm running dual opticals drives and dual 7200RPM hard drives, SB Live, 4 occupied USB ports... I'll be pushing the edge of that supply.
Anyone else here plan on installing this beast of a card into a Dell 4XXX series?
Anyone else here plan on installing this beast of a card into a Dell 4XXX series?
trojan, i got a similar setup. dell 4600 - 2 optical drives and dual 7200RPM HDs. audigy plat pro and USB.
i'm still using the stock PSU but i have a superflower 550 that i think i should put in...but i heard they are noisy so does anybody think its a bad idea to see if the x800 runs fine on the stock PSU or might that permanantly damage some hardware?
cuttergallery
Member
You have to watch out w/ underpowered PSU's....I had a Cooler Master Real Power 450 that got great reviews, looked cool, cost over $100, and thought had plenty of power for my current system. However, I had to RMA two bad video cards back to BFG before I figured out that my 12V rail didn't have enough headroom & was actually damaging them....Only 18A. I switched to a PC P&C 470W unit w/ 24A & now my system is running great! Even my 3DMark03 score went up 1000 pts!!
My advice is to always check the peak power of the 12V rail(s)...Very important for power hungry video cards. Get at least 24A!
My advice is to always check the peak power of the 12V rail(s)...Very important for power hungry video cards. Get at least 24A!
cuttergallery
Member
With my first card I experienced random shutdowns, then garbled BIOS screen during startup. During games...Artifacts leading to crashes. My replacement card appeared to work OK fro a couple of weeks, then one evening after a couple of hrs of Chronicles of Riddick, my monitors started blinking. When I attempted to reboot, I got beeps from my MB signaling video card failure!! Would not boot after that. The BFG tech suggested my PSU could be the cause...I was reluctant to believe him. I thought I had a very good quality PSU. However, I did some research & learned about the 12V rail issue.
I suppose 22A should be OK...I'm not an expert though.
I suppose 22A should be OK...I'm not an expert though.
TrojanAaron
Senior member
When I run BF2 on my eVGA 6800, sometimes it just crashes completely and the game quits on its own... maybe power supply issue? If I can't even run BF2 on a 6800 (non GT/Ultra), I'm pretty sure I'll be having problems on an X800XT PE
Where did you get your Superflower 550 and how much was it? Is it directly swappable with the proprietary PSUs that Dell uses in their Dimensions systems?
That's not too much. In my Dell 400SC (same "250W" PSU as the 4550), I had a P4 3GHz, 3 hard drives, RAID controller, 6800 GT @ Ultra speed, 2 burners, Audigy 2 ZS, 1GB, floppy and a Firewire card. Every single slot and bay was filled in the case, except the PCI slot next to the video card (NV Silencer 5 on 6800GT). 😛
cuttergallery
Member
trojan, i got a similar setup. dell 4600 - 2 optical drives and dual 7200RPM HDs. audigy plat pro and USB.
i'm still using the stock PSU but i have a superflower 550 that i think i should put in...but i heard they are noisy so does anybody think its a bad idea to see if the x800 runs fine on the stock PSU or might that permanantly damage some hardware?
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When I run BF2 on my eVGA 6800, sometimes it just crashes completely and the game quits on its own... maybe power supply issue? If I can't even run BF2 on a 6800 (non GT/Ultra), I'm pretty sure I'll be having problems on an X800XT PE
Where did you get your Superflower 550 and how much was it? Is it directly swappable with the proprietary PSUs that Dell uses in their Dimensions systems?
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PC Power & Cooling make PSU's that are made for Dells.
TrojanAaron
Senior member
HOT DAYAM... And if I'm not mistaken... the 6800GT/Ultra is a pretty power hungry beast. If you never had any problems... I'd feel pretty confident that I can survive with my Dell PSU.
And yes, PC Power & Cooling makes Dell specific PSUs, but for $170 shipped... so I'd prefer to keep my upgrades to a minimum.
All for the sake of Battlefield2
$55 for BF2 PC-CD
$233 for X800XT PE
$52 for stick of 512 RAM
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$340 for a bloody game!
add $170 for the PSU and I can almost jump on the 9XXX Dell series w/ a free 19" LCD!
Those have been unnecessary since Dell started shipping P4 systems. All Dell P4 desktops use standard ATX 12v PSUs. The only exceptions are 1) the small form factor cases (Optiplex slim "desktops" and the similar 4600C/4700C models), which like all SFF cases uses it's own small PSU (but it is still ATX 12v) and 2) the XPS Gen 5 (and probably Gen 4) which uses a strange shape PSU (but again, it is still ATX 12v). The limitation for the rest of the P4 systems is that the PSU can't have a rear power switch. There's no cut out on the back of the case for a PSU with a rear power switch. It's not hard to find one like that. I have 2 spares (standard ATX 12v A+GPB, $5AR and $0AR) that fit and work in Dell systems.
It's pretty sad that more than 4 years after Dell stopped using funky PSUs that people still think Dell has non-standard PSUs.
ICXRa
Diamond Member
True they are pinned like a standard one now BUT I bought a TruePower 430 to replace my Dell 250 with and these crazy cases won't accept a standard power supply without a little modding. I think that is where PC Power Cooling still has their in with Dell as they are desinged to fit the case as well, or at least I would imagine since they are billed as Dell direct replacements.
TrojanAaron
Senior member
Man... between Dell Forums, these forums and general hardware forums, its pretty much split 50/50 between people saying that Dell uses proprietary PSUs vs. Stanard.
And with adapters such as this:
Dell ATX PSU adapter for Dimensions (exceptions at the bottom)
its tough to know who is right or wrong =T Anyone with any actual experience changing the PSU in a Dimensions Desktop post '98?
And with adapters such as this:
Dell ATX PSU adapter for Dimensions (exceptions at the bottom)
its tough to know who is right or wrong =T Anyone with any actual experience changing the PSU in a Dimensions Desktop post '98?
ICXRa
Diamond Member
Well if it makes you feel any better I got a email response back from PC Power and Cooling stating that in fact Dell switched back to standard pinouts on the ATX connector but I am not sure with a model from 98.
Email support over at PC power and cooling for a model that old just to be certian. They will know for sure!
Email support over at PC power and cooling for a model that old just to be certian. They will know for sure!
TrojanAaron
Senior member
No way I'm running an X800XT PE in a '98 computer... what... top of the line would be like
Pentium2 333mhz
64mb of SDRAM
9 GB @ 5400rpm
My how days have changed.
The thing about '98 is when Dell supposedly changed their power supply to standard ATX.
Pentium2 333mhz
64mb of SDRAM
9 GB @ 5400rpm
My how days have changed.
The thing about '98 is when Dell supposedly changed their power supply to standard ATX.
hey all,
i got my superflower from directron when it was on sale. i haven't installed the superflower yet. i'm worried about doing so. is the atx connector the main issue with this discussion - about how there is an extra one on the proprietory motherboard?
i don't quite understand what you guys are saying - pxc, are you saying that 4 years ago, dell started installing standard PSUs so that you don't have to go thru PC power and cooling? but before 4 years ago, if you wanted a new PSU, you had to go thru PC power and cooling?
TrojanAaron
Senior member
I got mine in 2002 I believe. If you look at the this link:
Linky
you'll see how Dell used to have their PSUs connect to the mobos with two points of connection right next to each other- thus you would need that adapter to break out the standard ATX cable into two in order to connect to Dell's mobo.
In the newer Dells, supposedly, they're not like that anymore, but I guess the only real way is to look at the mobo itself. The primary difference that hasn't changed is the fact that Dell's PSUs don't have an "on/off" switch which prevents standard ATX PSUs from fitting into the cases, but that can be fixed by cutting the rear of your case a bit.
From the looks of mine, it seems standard (just one point of connection) but I JUST emailed PC Power & Cooling to ask them for an answer.
Linky
you'll see how Dell used to have their PSUs connect to the mobos with two points of connection right next to each other- thus you would need that adapter to break out the standard ATX cable into two in order to connect to Dell's mobo.
In the newer Dells, supposedly, they're not like that anymore, but I guess the only real way is to look at the mobo itself. The primary difference that hasn't changed is the fact that Dell's PSUs don't have an "on/off" switch which prevents standard ATX PSUs from fitting into the cases, but that can be fixed by cutting the rear of your case a bit.
From the looks of mine, it seems standard (just one point of connection) but I JUST emailed PC Power & Cooling to ask them for an answer.
You will fry your 4550, or any other P4 Dell, if you plug in that adapter. Luckily, due to all the bad info floating around, that adapter won't fit on the newer 24 pin (ATX 12v v2.2) PSUs.
Here's a quick reference for Dell PSUs:
Pentium 3 and Celerons (Socket 370) and older: proprietary PSUs
Pentium 4 and Celerons (S478/LGA775): standard ATX 12v (v2.0/2.1 for 20 pin, v 2.2 for 24 pin), except for XPS Gen 5 and SFF cases (and some *S423* systems), and with the limitation of no rear power switch.
examples of Dell desktop systems with standard ATX PSU (20 or 24 pin): Dimension 2100, 2200, 2300, 2350, 2400, 3000, 4100, 4300, 4400, 4500, 4550, 4600, 4700, 5100, 8200, 8250, 8300, 8400, 9100. (yes, that's over 4 years of systems 😛) And that includes the Optiplex and PowerEdge versions of similar systems.
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