Hot coffee case of McDonalds ...

[lMlHuxley]

Originally posted by: Xiety

Originally posted by: lMlHuxley

Originally posted by: Ness

Originally posted by: lMlHuxley

Originally posted by: Ness

Originally posted by: lMlHuxley

Originally posted by: Ness

Originally posted by: lMlHuxley
Ok, apparently the jurors felt the coffee was so hot that it had nearly malicious intent. They were also mad becuase mcdonalds did not feel sympathy for the old woman who burned herself. Once they were shown the graphic images, juries always fold. All coffee can cause sever burns and that is common knowledge. Humans understand that coffee=hot. I think mcdonalds should have paid her medical costs and the jury should have agreed to that plus the time she has had to take off of work and minor pain and suffering compensation. Anything above that is out of hand.

Once again, McDonald's had prior knowledge that their coffee was causing severe burns and it was found that their competetor's coffee was 20 degrees lower, at a temperature that still made good coffee but wouldn't have given someone third degree burns.

They also gave the success of their coffee to the higher temperature and so they made it that way.

I've already stated reasons why the success of their coffee cannot be contributed entirely to it's heat, as well as alternative means involving still allowing the flavor to be released into the coffee by brewing at higher temperatures, but serving it at lower temperatures.

Why use these alternate methods when they have one that people already like and buy? They would spend more redeveloping the process than they have in law suits

... uh.. because it is known to be dangerous to their customers...

I seriously doubt they would lose more than 2.7 million dollars redeveloping this.

You would be greatly suprised how much money it costs to redevelop even the most simple task in a large operation. Yes, hot coffee can be dangerous to customers but the customers like it that hot. 160 degree coffee is still going to burn you like hades.

One thing to point out is, McDonald's coffee was successful mostly because it was served hot, not brewed hot. On a survey in a linked article in this thread, it says majority of McDonald's coffee drinkers chose McDonald's because the "coffee was hotter than competitor's."

That is what I am sayin'!

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Ness

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Ness

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Uhhh, how many SUV rollovers have their been as a result of front tire (Firestone) blowouts?
A hundred even?

Geez, why is it that there are billions upon billions of trips in SUV's each year, but only a couple hundred people are injured (or killed) during a trip because of a front tire blowout leading to a rollover??

Ya' know... if they only blow out and cause the vehicle to roll over, injuring or killing the occupants 1 out of every 40 million trips, then they must be a heck of a lot safer than McD's coffee...

Firestone didn't make the people drive 65 mph... the people should have known that if they were driving faster than 5 or 10 mph and there was a blowout, there was a risk of rolling over. It's their own fault. Firestone can't control how their product is used.

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If you think McD's coffee is safe because so many cups are consumed safely, then I want to know what's wrong with the preceding argument.

:roll:

because firestone tires are designed NOT to blow out. because firestone tires are NOT SUPPOSED to go flat.

Coffee is SUPPOSED to be hot, unless you specifically ask for ice coffee of course.

The primary design of a tire is to make a car go forward smoothly and provide an adequate amount of traction on a variety of road surfaces. Of course it's important to also consider whether they would blow out or not.

Coffee is NOT designed to cause 3rd degree burns in 2 or 3 seconds. Coffee is not designed to require skin grafts. Does it really take that much effort to think twice about your design if those sorts of things are happening? Firestone tires WERE blowing out - not a good thing. Firestone realized it was a problem and addressed the problem. Coffee WAS burning people. McDonald's chose to be callous about it. A simple solution would be to brew it at a higher temperature and serve it at a slightly lower but safer temperature.

:roll:

IF used as designed, most tires don't blow out. firestones were even under normal usage. hence they are liable.

IF the coffee was consumed in the normal fashion (1 billion cups a year served and the majority were not burned) then the person would not sustain 3rd degree burns.

now, let's carry your parrellel a bit farther. so the person driving a car with firestones saw an area with lots of nails, boards with nails in them etc and decided to run over these boards. if the tire blew out under those circumstances who's liable?

in the case of firestone, the tires were blowing out even under NORMAL USAGE, hence the manufacturer was liable (btw, weren't they sued? and wasn't it the lawsuit that made them make the changes? you make it sound like they did it out of the goodness of their hearts vs a mcd's which was callous. :roll🙂.


in the case of McDonalds coffee, 1 BILLION cups a year was being consumed with a VERY VERY small fraction getting 3rd degree burns. if 999,999,300 cups of coffee were consumed without 3rd degree burns than we can safely assume that those were cases of NORMAL usage and the 700 cases of ABNORMAL usage.

blah blah blah... we've covered this already on a few instances. The reason McDonald's was only found at partial fault was because the coffee was spilled. We know that, thanks for running it by us again and proving nothing new.

But even still a person should be able to expect that something as simple as their coffee won't hurt them.

if you've covered it once before, just stfu. i was resonding to someone else, who's analogy was completely off base. comparing the mcdonalds thing where the woman was at fault is COMPLETELY different with the firestone incident, where the driver doing NOTHING on their part could suffer a blow out.

awww... it looks like I've struck a nerve! 🙁 🙁 🙁


(BTW, he was right. Coffee ISN'T supposed to cause third degree burns and require skin grafts.)

as usual because you are so dense you completely miss the connection. :roll:

 

[Sunner]

Coffee is hot, everyone knows that.
A car is a bad place to drink anything, moving or not, do so at your own or the car owners risk.
An 80 year old is likely to have shaky hands, slow reflexes, etc, making #2 even worse
Neither coffee nor draincleaners should need any big warning signs, a small note along the lines of "Can cause chemical burn, use gloves when handling" should be enough.

Statistics, physical conditions, etc aside, it all boils down to common sense.
If I take a pizza straight from the oven, I don't touch the plate since it will be scorching hot, and I don't eat the pizza right away since it will be pretty damn hot too, it's just common sense, I don't drink coffee, but if I did, I would wait and/or blow on it for a little before drinking, and I'd drink it at a table or some other suitable place, again, just common sense.

And that's how simple it is.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Sunner
Coffee is hot, everyone knows that.
A car is a bad place to drink anything, moving or not, do so at your own or the car owners risk.
An 80 year old is likely to have shaky hands, slow reflexes, etc, making #2 even worse
Neither coffee nor draincleaners should need any big warning signs, a small note along the lines of "Can cause chemical burn, use gloves when handling" should be enough.

Statistics, physical conditions, etc aside, it all boils down to common sense.
If I take a pizza straight from the oven, I don't touch the plate since it will be scorching hot, and I don't eat the pizza right away since it will be pretty damn hot too, it's just common sense, I don't drink coffee, but if I did, I would wait and/or blow on it for a little before drinking, and I'd drink it at a table or some other suitable place, again, just common sense.

And that's how simple it is.

i've had skin peel off the roof of my mouth cause the pizza was too hot.

hmmm, should i sue the restaraunt?? hahaha. of course not, it's my own damn fault.

 

[tcsenter]

Did this discussion reach SEVEN pages in such a short amount of time because certain people have not figured out the beauty of quoting only that statement to which they are responding instead of quoting the previous 50 messages?

Seven pages but only 30 messages...that would be funny. 😕

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Did this discussion reach SEVEN pages in such a short amount of time because certain people have not figured out the beauty of quoting only that statement to which they are responding instead of quoting the previous 50 messages?

Seven pages but only 30 messages...that would be funny. 😕

i don't know how you set yours up, but AT Forums for me pages after every 20 posts, doesn't matter how long that post is.

do you mean 7 screen pages? or atot pages?

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Sunner
Coffee is hot, everyone knows that.
A car is a bad place to drink anything, moving or not, do so at your own or the car owners risk.
An 80 year old is likely to have shaky hands, slow reflexes, etc, making #2 even worse
Neither coffee nor draincleaners should need any big warning signs, a small note along the lines of "Can cause chemical burn, use gloves when handling" should be enough.

Statistics, physical conditions, etc aside, it all boils down to common sense.
If I take a pizza straight from the oven, I don't touch the plate since it will be scorching hot, and I don't eat the pizza right away since it will be pretty damn hot too, it's just common sense, I don't drink coffee, but if I did, I would wait and/or blow on it for a little before drinking, and I'd drink it at a table or some other suitable place, again, just common sense.

And that's how simple it is.

i've had skin peel off the roof of my mouth cause the pizza was too hot.

hmmm, should i sue the restaraunt?? hahaha. of course not, it's my own damn fault.

Then send them your medical bills. OH WAIT.. a tiny piece of skin peeling off the roof of your mouth DOESN'T quite compare to third degree burns on your crotch.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Ness

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Sunner
Coffee is hot, everyone knows that.
A car is a bad place to drink anything, moving or not, do so at your own or the car owners risk.
An 80 year old is likely to have shaky hands, slow reflexes, etc, making #2 even worse
Neither coffee nor draincleaners should need any big warning signs, a small note along the lines of "Can cause chemical burn, use gloves when handling" should be enough.

Statistics, physical conditions, etc aside, it all boils down to common sense.
If I take a pizza straight from the oven, I don't touch the plate since it will be scorching hot, and I don't eat the pizza right away since it will be pretty damn hot too, it's just common sense, I don't drink coffee, but if I did, I would wait and/or blow on it for a little before drinking, and I'd drink it at a table or some other suitable place, again, just common sense.

And that's how simple it is.

i've had skin peel off the roof of my mouth cause the pizza was too hot.

hmmm, should i sue the restaraunt?? hahaha. of course not, it's my own damn fault.

Then send them your medical bills. OH WAIT.. a tiny piece of skin peeling off the roof of your mouth DOESN'T quite compare to third degree burns on your crotch.

so, it's only the degree that you are harping on. guess what, if it had been a whole pizza and i had dropped it face down and my thigh and it covered most of my thigh, i would have gotten 3rd degree burns from it. does it STILL make it their fault??

you can't separate your sympathy for the old lady from the actual case at hand.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Laptop burns man's genitals

THE case of a Swedish scientist who scorched his penis and testicles while writing a report on a laptop computer has sparked a health warning.

Users are being advised that the computers can inflict a burn even through clothed skin.

The unnamed 50-year-old father-of-two had balanced his computer on his lap while he wrote the report in an armchair at home, taking about an hour to do it, according to a letter published in the next issue of the British medical weekly The Lancet.

The following day, he started to develop painful blisters on his genitals, which became infected but eventually cleared up without the need for antibiotics.

Laptop manuals usually advise users not to use the computer while its base is resting directly on exposed skin, as heat can build up if the device is left on for a long time.

for the amusement of those with a sense of humor

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5537960%255E1702,00.html

 

[Sunner]

Well, as much as it pains me to see a fellow countryman embarrass himself like that(still a funny read 😀 ) it is again, common sense.
If you have any idea about how a laptop operates, you'd understand that there will be vents and hots spots in some places, and that the little feet under laptops are there for a reason.
If you don't know anything about it, you should educate yourself before using the computer, failure to do so is your own fault entirely, it's just commons sense.

And that's how simple it is.

 

[tcsenter]

i don't know how you set yours up, but AT Forums for me pages after every 20 posts, doesn't matter how long that post is. do you mean 7 screen pages? or atot pages?

My forum options are set to display 50 messages per page.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: tcsenter


McDonald's settled previous lawsuits only where an employee was alleged to have contributed to the spill, in part or whole, and cases where the serving container was defective or otherwise failed, resulting in a spill. Ms. Liebeck spilled the coffee on her own damned self wholly through her own negligence or carelessness.

Thanks for the clarification. So it looks like they weren't so bright after all in terms of handling this case. Still, I'm glad they did not settle and took it to trial.

There is no such thing as personal responsibility anymore.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

i don't know how you set yours up, but AT Forums for me pages after every 20 posts, doesn't matter how long that post is. do you mean 7 screen pages? or atot pages?

My forum options are set to display 50 messages per page.

100 in my case and I like it that way.

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Ness

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Sunner
Coffee is hot, everyone knows that.
A car is a bad place to drink anything, moving or not, do so at your own or the car owners risk.
An 80 year old is likely to have shaky hands, slow reflexes, etc, making #2 even worse
Neither coffee nor draincleaners should need any big warning signs, a small note along the lines of "Can cause chemical burn, use gloves when handling" should be enough.

Statistics, physical conditions, etc aside, it all boils down to common sense.
If I take a pizza straight from the oven, I don't touch the plate since it will be scorching hot, and I don't eat the pizza right away since it will be pretty damn hot too, it's just common sense, I don't drink coffee, but if I did, I would wait and/or blow on it for a little before drinking, and I'd drink it at a table or some other suitable place, again, just common sense.

And that's how simple it is.

i've had skin peel off the roof of my mouth cause the pizza was too hot.

hmmm, should i sue the restaraunt?? hahaha. of course not, it's my own damn fault.

Then send them your medical bills. OH WAIT.. a tiny piece of skin peeling off the roof of your mouth DOESN'T quite compare to third degree burns on your crotch.

so, it's only the degree that you are harping on. guess what, if it had been a whole pizza and i had dropped it face down and my thigh and it covered most of my thigh, i would have gotten 3rd degree burns from it. does it STILL make it their fault??

you can't separate your sympathy for the old lady from the actual case at hand.

If it caused third degree burns on your crotch then I would support you in having your medical expenses paid for. As I've said, no food considered ready to consume should be causing third degree burns to any surface of your body. Whether it's an old lady's body, your body or my body.

 

[lMlHuxley]

So much anger in this forum. I don't think I have had one civil discussion on any general topic forum regarding politics or the law or anything. It always drops down to personal attacks instead of the topic. I don't know why it happens but I am just darn sick of it.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: lMlHuxley
So much anger in this forum. I don't think I have had one civil discussion on any general topic forum regarding politics or the law or anything. It always drops down to personal attacks instead of the topic. I don't know why it happens but I am just darn sick of it.

Then I suggest you never go into Politics & News

 

[Axon]

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
i think there are some cases where judges should just say you're an idiot, you should have some common sense and throw the case out.

Agreed. Speaking as a paralegal, you should know that the legal system is not without bias. Get a judge who is a little giving on plaintiff's rights, and you've got yourself a case. Add in a sympathetic jury, and you might have a favorable decision.

Sad but true.

The vast majority of idiotic case are thrown out. It just ones like this that gives the system a bad rap.

 

[lMlHuxley]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: lMlHuxley
So much anger in this forum. I don't think I have had one civil discussion on any general topic forum regarding politics or the law or anything. It always drops down to personal attacks instead of the topic. I don't know why it happens but I am just darn sick of it.

Then I suggest you never go into Politics & News

I always stay away from there. Thing is off topic is starting to turn into the same darn thing.

 

[edmundoab]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
McD's coffee is way too fvcking hot.

I rather then go coke products and you'll never burn your tongue.
Or minute maid orange juice 🙂

 

[Mill]

Quite simple case. Any Plaintiff trial lawyer I've ever talked to makes this case appear to the a just reward because of an egregious injury to the lady. Every Defense Trial Lawyer calls it a miscarriage of justice, "the biased" system, etc. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. McDonalds did have some liability due to the higher temps, as did the lady for spilling it in the first place. Rationally McD's should have paid her medical bills in the first place, but apparently this case was relatively ignored until it was too late. In the end... all the evidence in the world doesn't matter. Both sides have used the media and the internet to make it appear that their side was correct. I know lots of trial lawyers, and their opinion of this varies simply based on what side of the courtoom they normally sit on.