Hostages in the Phillipines found beheaded... how should the US handle this?

[Dually]

I agree, lets stop playing nice and do what the founding fathers did, send a fleet to crush them.

 

[shiner]

<< I agree, lets stop playing nice and do what the founding fathers did, send a fleet to crush them. >>



I agree with your sentiment....only problem was that we didn't have much of a fleet when the Founding Fathers were around.

 

[Darein]

Go in and mercilessly kill them all, or maybe keep one or two alive and put them on some kind of trial, with the consent of the Phillipine government, maybe then excecute them publicly?

 

[Ulfwald]

I don't care if the Phillipine government likes itor not, those were American lives.

I say send in ever type of special forces unit we have available and just wipe out all those b@stards. Then we confiscate all the weapons, speed boats etc, and sell them at auction and give the money to the families that are suffering. While money does not make up for the loss of a loved one, maybe it will help ease the financial burden placed on them.

Navy can't practice bombing in Cuba any more? send them there.

 

[bigredguy]

nuke'em

 

[Kueay]

You guys are pathetic. How about the US not stick it's nose where it doesn't belong. Talk about a big brother program, sheesh.

 

[shiner]

<< You guys are pathetic. How about the US not stick it's nose where it doesn't belong. Talk about a big brother program, sheesh. >>

Where it doesn't belong? We had citizens captured and killed by a radical terrorist group. The Philippine government doesn't seem to be able to find them or bring them to justice so it's time for Uncle Sam to step in and take care of the problem.

 

[AndrewR]

<< I say send in ever type of special forces unit we have available and just wipe out all those b@stards. >>


As someone who hopes to get into the SpecOps community soon, I say &quot;F-that&quot;. Tell Americans to stay out of there, and let the Filipinos deal with their internal problem. The lives of highly trained operatives are simply not worth risking for that mission.

The only reason I'd send troops in there is to avenge the assassination of Col. Nick Rowe, USA, killed several years ago while advising the government as a US rep.

If they want to give us back Clark and Subic Bay, maybe we'd talk about helping.

 

[Red Dawn]

Give the Rebels Cartons of Cigarettes(Asians smoke like Chimneys). Doctor up the Cigarettes so they all get cancer within a year. Give them money laced with some kind of powerful carcinigens that will cause their internal organs to bleed and their Skin to erupts in oozing painful sores then treat them with medicine that is even more toxic. When they come to hospitals for these sores pour lye into them.

 

[Double Trouble]

shiner,Ok....we'll pull all our troops back home and see how fast the world starts to fall apart.

Ulfwald, << I don't care if the Phillipine government likes itor not, those were American lives. >>

Hmmm... those are exactly the kind of sentiments that make Americans the targets all over the world. It's not just about money, it's about an attitude that somehow everyone else needs US involvement and that somehow US lives are more valuable than other people's lives.

Ulfwald, when you make a statement like that, consider if the roles were reversed. When a gang in LA shoots up a family of tourists, or a German tourist family is attacked and killed by a gang in Florida, would you approve of the German &quot;Grenzschutzgruppe 9&quot; (GSG 9) special ops groups coming to the US to dole out their &quot;justice&quot;??

No, the bottom line is that while this incident is regrettable, and the US should definitely pursue any means available to bring the murderers to justice, it needs to respect foreign borders as it expects it's own borders to be respected.

 

[obiwaynekenobi]

<< Here's the link: Phillipine hostages found beheaded

I dunno, personally I think we should send in a team of marines to blow the hell out of the responsible factions... then again, this is tricky territory since the Filipinos aren't very keen on Americans in the first place.

Eye for an eye, so to speak. >>



well if they were our marines, we should behead of them for every one of ours.. as for equal punisment.

if they weren't. leave it alone we aren't the world policeman.

 

[hungrypete]

we are targets because we listen. we say we won't negotiate with terrorists and then we often do. I say if an international terrorist organization kills American citizens, that demands action. I am not a turn the cheek kinda guy. If we would take immediate action when these things happen, perhaps terrorists would think twice before trying to milk our society or our citizens for money. Sure, you create a martyr (why killing bin laden might be a baaa-aad idea, need to take him alive) but we can't just say 'oh well'. This is why we have special forces. Use them. Killing is no solution, but sometimes you have no other choice. Some of you who say 'war is so bad, oh no, just ignore the problems' are kidding yourselves. War is a part of human nature. Violence is a part of human nature. You can deny it all you want, you still may have to fight fire with fire someday.

 

[obiwaynekenobi]

do you realize if we just go in there shooting we could start World war 3?

 

[p0tempkin]

Password?

Swordfish.

 

[Urinal Mint]

<< do you realize if we just go in there shooting we could start World war 3? >>


What will the Phillipines do, send a speed boat envasion to the US?

 

[glenn1]

I'll allow others to debate the wisdom of sending military forces at all (i think it's a bad idea, but realize others have other opinions), but i can say from virtue of my background that sending in SpecOps teams of any kind is an absolutely attrocious idea, and one that would never be allowed to come to pass.

Special Operations teams have very specific training to perform very specific missions, and mission parameters. Without meeting those parameters, SpecOps teams will not even be considered for tasking with the mission, much less be committed to a deployment.

I can tell you with 100% absolute certainty that what some people in this thread propose would be instantaneously sh!tcanned by the people in a position to authorize such a mission.

 

[RaDragon]

Send in the Metsada of the Mossad to get rid of Abu Sayyaf and then his henchmen!

 

[SendTrash]

<< do you realize if we just go in there shooting we could start World war 3? >>

how is that so? Philipines has not the resources of military to offer resistance.... plus the Philipine govertment has for the longest time been a puppet of american government (just look at the dictatorship of Marcos and the US hold of Philippines following the spanish-american war)

I wouldn't be suprised if all the PI did was just spout words, be let the US come in with military force

 

[Doboji]

My feeling is we can't send in our military every time some dumb ass tourist goes off adventuring in a terrorist plagued country against the advice of the State Department. You wanna take the risks... go ahead... but damnitt... don't come crying to uncle sam begging for an international incident as a result of your own poor judgement!

my .02

-Max

 

[Thump553]

There's a lot of misconceptions and simplistic thoughts here. I have to laugh at the people who propose US send in Rambo type invasions or bomb them back to the stone age, etc. This was purely an internal matter, in a country friendly to the US. Unlike the movies, in real life Rambo doesn't cut it. More likely than not, intrusive US actions would turn the general population away from us-and into the hands of the rebel terrorists.

Shinerburke, we do not have any sizeable amount of troops in the Philipines.

Others of you blame the victim for vacationing in a known dangerous region-that is not correct, see my prior post. This poor guy was several hundred miles (and several islands0 away from the terrorist's stronghold region.

The Philipines government and people have historically been among the US's truest allies in Asia. If their government requests aid (in the form of money, intelligence, training, etc., but not troops), and if we determine that it would be effective to our goals (stabilizing the country and region, eliminating terrrorism) then we should pitch in.

 

[67gt500]

I'd say leave our military out of it..other than providing arms to our own regulated militias. That's right, send the boys from kentucky and montana over there with our advanced weaponry.

Provide them with our own gathered intelligence, our own marine craft, etc.

 

[67gt500]

You guys are pathetic. How about the US not stick it's nose where it doesn't belong. Talk about a big brother program, sheesh

um... the US offers foreign visitors equal protection under our laws.. we only hope that our citizens abroad be treated the same..

and when they aren't we most definitely will stick our nose where it does belong.

 

[Piano Man]

<< Eye for an eye, so to speak >>



Damn, I didn't know this was 2001 BCE. I thought we moved past that idiotic principle a long time ago. Guess not.

 

[damocles]

The Philippines should be allowed to handle the situation. The best the US can do is offer aid. It is a sovereign country and has good diplomatic relations with the US.

If US troops went in they would probably do more harm than good. If the rebel group 'went to ground' then i doubt they would have much luck finding them. Foreign troops, not fluent in the local language or customs, trapsing around the countryside is just going to fuel Anti-US sentiment and probably make martyrs out of the rebels

Don't get me wrong. What has happened is a tragedy and i fully hope the rebels get what's coming to them

 

[Double Trouble]

<<the US offers foreign visitors equal protection under our laws.. we only hope that our citizens abroad be treated the same..and when they aren't we most definitely will stick our nose where it does belong. >>

Did you ever stop to think that maybe those US citizens in the Phillipines indeed got treated the same as native residents? You seem to forget that 'regular' citizens are victims of terrorism there as well, and are killed all the time. In other words, the terrorists may go out of their way to target Americans for monetary and ideological reasons, but the host government treats the US citizens just like it does their own -- not very well. So does that give the US carte blanche to just romp into any country when US citizens are victims of some crime or another??