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Hostage Situation near where I live

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Originally posted by: Modular
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Right to bear arms?
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If the other people in the building had weapons, how many would be dead?

The hostage taker and no one else realistically. But I know you're just trolling. I think it's time for someone to make a thread about you being a moderator and doing all this baiting on these forums.
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If there were other armed people in the building, wouldn't they just kill each other? After all, they're looking for 'some guy with a gun!' 😉
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Modular
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Right to bear arms?
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If the other people in the building had weapons, how many would be dead?

The hostage taker and no one else realistically.
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Realistically? :laugh:

Why does every gun owner think they are Chow Yun Fat starring in a John Woo movie?
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Sorry, poor word choice. Possibly makes more sense. But I'd say it's not as big of a mistake as you assuming I own a weapon. I think I have a BB gun somewhere, so maybe that counts in your opinion.

All this is ancillary to the real issue at hand in this thread and others you post in; you're a troll. And as a mod that shouldn't be.

 
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Someone like this will find a way to carry out their agenda whether they have a gun or not. They aren't just going to go, I want to kill 12 people but since I don't have a gun, I'll just sit quietly at home. There are plenty of ways to kill even more people that are just as easy without a gun.
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True, but guns are FAR more efficient than other weapons. They are cheap, readily available and easy to obtain.

Do you think the VATech shooter could have killed 30+ without the ease and point-and-click efficiency of a gun?

Another week, another mass shooting.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Someone like this will find a way to carry out their agenda whether they have a gun or not. They aren't just going to go, I want to kill 12 people but since I don't have a gun, I'll just sit quietly at home. There are plenty of ways to kill even more people that are just as easy without a gun.
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True, but guns are FAR more efficient than other weapons. They are cheap, readily available and easy to obtain.

Do you think the VATech shooter could have killed 30+ without the ease and point-and-click efficiency of a gun?

Another week, another mass shooting.
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He could have bought a gallon of gas + piece of cloth, toss into a classroom and you will kill and disfigure a lot more than a single shooter could.

Targeting guns as the problem is like saying alcohol needs to be banned to stop drunk drivers. Want this stuff to stop ? You target the problem. People that go on a rampage are often people that had nobody to talk to , increase funding on mental health and take away the stigma that if someone needs to talk, it is okay to do so without being labeled crazy.


Same problem with war on drugs. Taking away drugs does not fix the problem. You need to target the reason people do drugs in the first place.
 
Originally posted by: Modular
All this is ancillary to the real issue at hand in this thread and others you post in; you're a troll. And as a mod that shouldn't be.
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I'm a volunteer mod in the SFF/Laptops forum. I can still be banned (and have been) whenever I break any rule, just like any other member.

The real issue here is that you think a thread about a mass shooting should not turn into a debate on gun control/rights in America. I disagree.

That's called a difference of opinion; you'll see that often in ATOT. You can ignore it, or you can make a big deal out of it. The internet is serious business.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Modular
All this is ancillary to the real issue at hand in this thread and others you post in; you're a troll. And as a mod that shouldn't be.
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I'm a volunteer mod in the SFF/Laptops forum. I can still be banned (and have been) whenever I break any rule, just like any other member.

The real issue here is that you think a thread about a mass shooting should not turn into a debate on gun control/rights in America. I disagree.

That's called a difference of opinion; you'll see that often in ATOT. You can ignore it, or you can make a big deal out of it. The internet is serious business.
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On the flip side we have PLENTY of gun control topics. Do we really need to turn this one into another one?
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Modular
All this is ancillary to the real issue at hand in this thread and others you post in; you're a troll. And as a mod that shouldn't be.
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I'm a volunteer mod in the SFF/Laptops forum. I can still be banned (and have been) whenever I break any rule, just like any other member.

The real issue here is that you think a thread about a mass shooting should not turn into a debate on gun control/rights in America. I disagree.

That's called a difference of opinion; you'll see that often in ATOT.
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No. If there should be a debate on this incident it should be around the police response or lack thereof. Since we really don't know many salient facts at this time a proper analysis is impossible.
 
Please don't ruin my thread with gun control issues. I rather liked it when people were posting informative updates about the situation.
 
I always wonder why these guys shoot themselves in the end. I'd think you'd want to go out in a gun battle. At least you've guaranteed you'll take out as many people as possible.
 
Originally posted by: RedArmy
Please don't ruin my thread with gun control issues. I rather liked it when people were posting informative updates about the situation.
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Stop playing nice, just call him a douche bag like we all know he is.
 
Originally posted by: lxskllr
I always wonder why these guys shoot themselves in the end. I'd think you'd want to go out in a gun battle. At least you've guaranteed you'll take out as many people as possible.
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it's all about about control. they want control over the ending of their life. they don't want the police or some vigilante getting the glory for offing them so when someone closes in on them they take their life before another person can.
 
He was dual-wielding:

Two handguns were recovered at the scene, said a law enforcement official who was not authorized to speak publicly about the details of an ongoing hostage situation and was speaking on condition of anonymity.
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Originally posted by: lxskllr
I always wonder why these guys shoot themselves in the end. I'd think you'd want to go out in a gun battle. At least you've guaranteed you'll take out as many people as possible.
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It's probably as a final "fuck you" to everyone along with ensuring the victims family and friends don't got any sort of peace of mind or consolation since the shooter was ended by his own doing.
 
Originally posted by: lxskllr
I always wonder why these guys shoot themselves in the end. I'd think you'd want to go out in a gun battle. At least you've guaranteed you'll take out as many people as possible.
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They get bored waiting for the police to do something. That's what happened at Columbine. Thankfully, or many more would have been killed.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
He was dual-wielding:

Two handguns were recovered at the scene, said a law enforcement official who was not authorized to speak publicly about the details of an ongoing hostage situation and was speaking on condition of anonymity.
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Why is this called a "hostage" situation when it is in fact an active shooter situation?
 
Shooter identified.

The official spoke Friday on condition of anonymity and said the suspect carried identification showing him as 42-year-old Jiverly Voong (VUNG') of nearby Johnson City, N.Y.

Vice President Joe Biden, speaking in New York City, said the gunman opened fire on immigrants taking a citizenship class.
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Shooter identified.

The official spoke Friday on condition of anonymity and said the suspect carried identification showing him as 42-year-old Jiverly Voong (VUNG') of nearby Johnson City, N.Y.

Vice President Joe Biden, speaking in New York City, said the gunman opened fire on immigrants taking a citizenship class.
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Is that Vietnamese?
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Shooter identified.

The official spoke Friday on condition of anonymity and said the suspect carried identification showing him as 42-year-old Jiverly Voong (VUNG') of nearby Johnson City, N.Y.

Vice President Joe Biden, speaking in New York City, said the gunman opened fire on immigrants taking a citizenship class.
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I hate Johnson City...and Binghamton...and most of Endicott...Vestal is alright though
 
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Friday's carnage in New York state is the latest to rock small-town America, where many fiercely defend the legal right to bear powerful firearms.

On Sunday a heavily-armed man burst into a North Carolina nursing home killing eight people before being shot and wounded by a policeman.

Earlier this month, a 28-year-old unemployed man killed 10 people, including his mother and a toddler, in a shooting rampage through two counties in Alabama, the worst in the southern state's history.

Friday's incident comes days before the second anniversary of a massacre at Virginia Tech -- the deadliest school shooting in US history in which 32 students and professors were shot dead by a student gunman...
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Lots more info about the shooter. 39 total casualties

A senior law enforcement official told ABC News that 13 people were shot dead and 26 were wounded.

Voong entered the civic association armed with two heavy caliber automatic pistols ? a 9 mm and a .45 caliber handgun. He carried a bag filled with high capacity magazines, a survival knife and a flashlight, according to police.

Officials said Voong backed his car up to the rear door of the building to block any escape before he went to the front of the building and started to execute people.

Voong, 41, also known as Linh Phat Voong, was from Johnson City, N.Y. He allegedly burst into the civic center wearing a bright green nylon jacket and dark-rimmed glasses. Upon entering, Voong shot and killed the receptionist and then two other people. He then headed for another room of the civic association and opened fire again.

When the carnage was over, Voong's body was found on first the floor with a hunting knife jammed into the waistband of his pants.

"He shot those people? No. No," said a woman who identified herself as Voong's sister, but would not give her name when reached by ABC News.com.

She said her brother went to take classes today at the civic association and that she had not heard from him since. She said she did not know that he was involved in the shooting.

"I'm going to pass out," she said and hung up the phone.

Police also contacted Voong's sister to say her brother was dead. She told police that Voong was attending language classes at the civic center. She said Voong is a U.S. citizen and has been in this country for 28 years.

Voong had recently been laid off from IBM in Johnson City, U.S. Rep. Maurice Hinchey, a Democrat whose district includes Binghamton, told the Associated Press. The gunman opened fire on a citizenship class, he said.

"People were there in the process of being tested for their citizenship," Hinchey said. "It was in the middle of a test. He just went in and opened fire."
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
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Friday's carnage in New York state is the latest to rock small-town America, where many fiercely defend the legal right to bear powerful firearms.

On Sunday a heavily-armed man burst into a North Carolina nursing home killing eight people before being shot and wounded by a policeman.

Earlier this month, a 28-year-old unemployed man killed 10 people, including his mother and a toddler, in a shooting rampage through two counties in Alabama, the worst in the southern state's history.

Friday's incident comes days before the second anniversary of a massacre at Virginia Tech -- the deadliest school shooting in US history in which 32 students and professors were shot dead by a student gunman...
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What is your point ? That people who are mentally ill will kill other people ?
 
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