Hostage situation in Sydney

[Victorian Gray]

I don't think their is any hope for the West when I hear that.

You enslaved people yet we are the racist ones. The only reason you tolerate other races is because you are forced to with your land borders and because of your dumb idea to import people and use them as slaves.

For us it is a conscious choice to tolerate others, yet we are labelled racist at the drop of a hat.

Unlike you we don't have mass shootings every day, so something like this is a big deal and deeply disturbing to the majority of people. But life is so cheap for you with your military culture and domestic shootings I could never expect you to understand the sanctity of a human life.

I feel sorry for the poor Canadians who have to live beside you. I don't know why the British are so quick to be friends with traitors like you, they have Canada and Australia, they have ICMB, why do we need you?

Australia has settled it's issues with it's Aboriginal population? That would certainly be news to them.

Has shipping Asian refugees off to Cambodia and Borneo started yet?

Stones, glass houses...

Australia has it's own serious issues regarding race that it has yet to deal with.

And yes, Canada has it's own issues as well, especially as regards our own Aboriginal and Inuit populations.

Americans will have to fix their issues (or not) just like we will (or not) with ours.

Comments like the above quoted don't work towards solving anything, anywhere.

 

[Peppertronica]

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[Peppertronica]

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[Peppertronica]

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[gingermeggs]

This man should of had his visa revoked when he committed a criminal offence in this country.

This incident should never of occurred.

He was on bail for 40 sexual assault charges, and being an accessory after the fact to the murder of his ex-wife by his defacto wife.

Asylum should be conditional, it is a reasonable expectation of the greater majority.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-...onis-named-as-man-behind-sydney-siege/5969246

This situation is probably exacerbated/simulated by the legal industry in Australia, he was on bail for almost a year. The slow rate at which "justice" is delivered in this country can only benefit the legal profession who work in it, costing the tax payers dearly.

Ironically one of the victims was a QC, not that our legal industry would give a shit about it or the crocodile tears wept by our political professionals who are muppets to the mega corporations- Same as the USA, England and Canada!!!!

The Australian political classes are only truly concerned with the value of their property portfolios-

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/08/aussie-politicians-300m-property-portfolio/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_gearing_(Australia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_trust_law

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-24/janda-the-myth-of-mum-and-dad-negative-gearers/5766724

Generally I would say Anglo-saxons are predisposed to negative racial views.
But by how many times I have been shown up with being generalistic, I have come realised it's all just a fools game.
http://racism.org/index.php?option=...iny&catid=56&Itemid=179&showall=&limitstart=3

We all like to think we have an edge on the rest- even if we aren't "the best".

My advise is get a life and live it!

As for this guy Monis, if I was the police commander I would of got a few marksman on him and gave orders to take him out, synchronised so as 2 got clean shots with the glass already broken- it appears from the news this was very viable, with minimal risk.

But our police ar like American police they prefer to shoot people when not on camera- so yes they should of had a wide cordon which restricted the media's view of events. But seems like they want it to be that way, for political currency and diversion to greater problems affecting democracy throughout the west........lets hope we all get a 14th of july sooner then later, our democracies has been subverted by the ethically and morally bereft in this beautiful world. We are already worse then Theocratic states or dictatorships, we have become complicit in murder, rape, robbery and slavery.

Apathy is the enemy!

 

[boomerang]

I'll wave the white flag and leave as I won't make the mistake of spending years of my life talking on internet forums as I have done in the past.

After you've left, ask yourself why you have repeated your earlier mistake. Why didn't you learn? It might help you in the future.

Oh, and that was a rhetorical question so I'm not looking for an answer. I expect none because as you said, you're leaving.

 

[z1ggy]

The American shooter is at 6 dead and still going. There's only 3 replies in it.
I guess it just don't have the right stuff for the P&N crowd

Because they haven't really released much details. As soon as it comes out that he used an AR-15... Thennnnnn we will get a nice healthy debate going on that thread.

Plus, he's not muslim, so strike #2 for the muslim haters.

And to top it off, he's not black, or on welfare, so... crap, strike #3 for all the rest.

In other news 30 people got shot in Chicago this weekend, 5 were kids. Aren't you glad you read about that on here?!? Oh wait no, because the media tells Americans what to think.

 

[Zorander]

As for this guy Monis, if I was the police commander I would of got a few marksman on him and gave orders to take him out, synchronised so as 2 got clean shots with the glass already broken- it appears from the news this was very viable, with minimal risk.

This guy threatened that he had a bomb, presumably in his backpack and potentially elsewhere planted in the city. The police would not have wanted the risk of offing him and then his friends setting off the bomb(s) remotely. (although it seems, and hopefully, he was working alone).

Plus, the glass is reportedly reinforced, which would turn into a hail of shrapnel if shot at.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Reading your comments on this forum how are you in any position to judge or have an opinion. Go back to your insults and irrational conclusions. So you criticize me and then make inaccurate sweeping statements and in the same breath tell me that those types of statements don't solve anything. Hypocrite.

So, Australia really has fixed all the racial issues regarding it's Aboriginal population, yes?

So Australia didn't sign agreements to ship off Asian refugee claimants to Cambodia and Borneo?

What's insulting or irrational about pointing out several (of many) factual issues regarding problems in race relations in modern Australia?

If you are simply going to castigate the US for it's race relations as if in Australia all is well and good, don't be surprised if someone points out that's not the case.

 

[gingermeggs]

This guy threatened that he had a bomb, presumably in his backpack and potentially elsewhere planted in the city. The police would not have wanted the risk of offing him and then his friends setting off the bomb(s) remotely. (although it seems, and hopefully, he was working alone).

Plus, the glass is reportedly reinforced, which would turn into a hail of shrapnel if shot at.

The glass is simply toughened-turns into cubits.

This guy has been under surveillance for ages, they knew he had no connections- he was simply a religious, misogynist, wack job that decided he'd suicide and take out a couple of Anglo-saxons with him rather then go to jail, both his victims were whiteys, plenty of other nationalities present- two shots from a shotgun killed them with injuries from spread spray and probably the police who thru lots of stun grenades and shot him up with sub-machine guns, like 4 guys firing thru the same doorway.

Looks like we have a dead hero too- might of been better to wait and allow the police to wait him to sleep........to many American hostage movies and the hope of being famously rich and sexy????
http://www.news.com.au/national/mar...-man-haron-monis/story-fncynjr2-1227157498633

More to come in details to be sure......

 

[gingermeggs]

So, Australia really has fixed all the racial issues regarding it's Aboriginal population, yes?

So Australia didn't sign agreements to ship off Asian refugee claimants to Cambodia and Borneo?

What's insulting or irrational about pointing out several (of many) factual issues regarding problems in race relations in modern Australia?

If you are simply going to castigate the US for it's race relations as if in Australia all is well and good, don't be surprised if someone points out that's not the case.

Western Papua deserves greater attention at this moment- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papua_conflict

America has stitched them up, it owns the gold mine there- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grasberg_mine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeport-McMoRan

USA, AUSTRALIA, CANADA same race of people-colonialist Anglo-saxons invaded everywhere, killed em and stole their shit!
Modern???? get away with you! Anglo Saxons have little culture just lots of guns, greed and crazy sense of immortality(play god types). They are offended by the suffering of others!

Remember; 2 wrong don't make a right!

 

[fskimospy]

I really thought in this forum full of highly intelligent people that I could have an objective conversation about race, but just like in the real world it seems that too here in the virtual world that is not possible.

Nobody can cope with someone mentioning anything about race. It is such a bizarre phenomenon that plagues our society and needs to be addressed so we can solve the problem. But nobody wants to admit their is a problem and so it will never be solved.

Peoples inability to have a rational conversation about this subject is one of the major problems with our society. Stupidly I equated logical intelligence with being able to think rationally about anything other than a mathematical equation. Mistake on my part and I should have known better having experienced the same problems with my colleagues.

If you come at me with irrational statements I am going to respond with irrational statements, if you then quote those statements and start a conversation about them you are defeating the whole exercise.

I'll wave the white flag and leave as I won't make the mistake of spending years of my life talking on internet forums as I have done in the past.

Have you stopped to think for a minute that if everywhere you try to talk about racial issues you are condemned that maybe the problem isn't with everyone else, but instead with you?

Maybe the whole "I know the airport guy took my tic-tacs to avenge the legacy of slavery because i could see it in his eyes" argument isn't rational at all.

 

[Peppertronica]

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[fskimospy]

Oh stop lecturing everyone with your boring observations, all you do is take my points and criticize them, you don't actively contribute anything new. Who is taking anything said on here seriously anymore anyway? It's obvious none of you are so why should I.

If you don't want your points to be criticized, stop making terrible points.

 

[gingermeggs]

The legal community have to subject the rest of us to their made up nonsense and make our lives hard just because they couldn't handle maths at school and get a real job, so have to drag everything out to make a decent paycheck. No wonder our country is such a mess with all these airheads in charge. We need more logical thinkers in charge.

Then again most of the logical thinkers I know, Engineers, are men who would prefer a robotic asian. I guess it is to compensate for their poor communication skills, you know being terrible at holding a sophisticated conversation and all. It's always hilarious listening to an Engineer and his asian wife having a conversation, all the errors in their spoken English. You see them everywhere these days, like an epidemic ha ha.

Seems we can't win either way and are doomed no matter what.



Oh stop lecturing everyone with your boring observations, all you do is take my points and criticize them, you don't actively contribute anything new. Who is taking anything said on here seriously anymore anyway? It's obvious none of you are so why should I.

$500/HR is hardly what I'd call "decent", I call it collusive, price gouging.

Who the fuck is "we"?????

I am a builder, my wife is Thai she is hardly a robot.........Yes, they are correct, you're a racist prick and an idiot!

 

[Peppertronica]

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[Victorian Gray]

I am racist for simply stating an observation. Reality check. I am a REAL person with VIEWS on other people. I know you want us all to be robotic 'yes' men, but some people do actually have opinions on things, even if their not towing your dictatorships line.

So you prefer the underdeveloped infantile features of asian people, it doesn't bother me.

If I can't mention a phenomenon that is so widespread and common then I know what the problem is.

When your wife goes to lunches with her friends I daresay they are all minorities and you never get invited and you rarely meet her friends husbands. I am betting you do a lot of things separately and doubt your friendship circles mix much.

I am sure you find your conversations keep coming back to racism, she will come home and everyone from the shopkeeper to the priest will be a racist, for simply looking at her the wrong way, with no tangible evidence they are racist beyond a perceived idea in her head. Your life, your choice, I couldn't care less. But I have seen this phenomenon occur frequently among friends and family members who have married asian women and can have an opinion if I want.

My problem with minorities is the constant whinging about inequality and how hard it is for them to get anywhere in our society. And then they go and do and say dumb things. I am not racist and am not inciting racism, I am stating observations. By saying I am racist you show you know nothing about me. I could not be further from being racist, in fact I am one of the most tolerant people I know. But sometimes things happen like this siege that just tips one over the edge and they seek out somewhere to vent.

Sure I will get over it and go back to my normal tolerant mindset, until the next idiot does something stupid and we go through it all over again.

Also you might want to refrain from swearing at people when they say things that are not 100% in line with your views, because it is not a good look and doesn't leave the other person with any incentive to continue having any future discussions with you.

 

[gingermeggs]

I am racist for simply stating an observation. Reality check. I am a REAL person with VIEWS on other people. I know you want us all to be robotic 'yes' men, but some people do actually have opinions on things, even if their not towing your dictatorships line.

So you prefer the underdeveloped infantile features of asian people, it doesn't bother me.

If I can't mention a phenomenon that is so widespread and common then I know what the problem is.

When your wife goes to lunches with her friends I daresay they are all minorities and you never get invited and you rarely meet her friends husbands. I am betting you do a lot of things separately and doubt your friendship circles mix much.

I am sure you find your conversations keep coming back to racism, she will come home and everyone from the shopkeeper to the priest will be a racist, for simply looking at her the wrong way, with no tangible evidence they are racist beyond a perceived idea in her head. Your life, your choice, I couldn't care less. But I have seen this phenomenon occur frequently among friends and family members who have married asian women and can have an opinion if I want.

My problem with minorities is the constant whinging about inequality and how hard it is for them to get anywhere in our society. And then they go and do and say dumb things. I am not racist and am not inciting racism, I am stating observations. By saying I am racist you show you know nothing about me. I could not be further from being racist, in fact I am one of the most tolerant people I know. But sometimes things happen like this siege that just tips one over the edge and they seek out somewhere to vent.

Sure I will get over it and go back to my normal tolerant mindset, until the next idiot does something stupid and we go through it all over again.

Also you might want to refrain from swearing at people when they say things that are not 100% in line with your views, because it is not a good look and doesn't leave the other person with any incentive to continue having any future discussions with you.

What you've presumed here, has no basis in reality- it's out of your twisted and polluted perception.

My wife is a much loved member of the community on Brisbane's northside, we do everything together, including scuba diving at Lady Elliot island with manta rays.

My advise to you is- Watch what you say in front of real live people, you be best to keep your thoughts in your head especially in public...........you are definitely an Idiot, a fucking racist, Idiot. Seek medical help immediately!

If you said what you did in person, infront of me you'd be in hospital.

 

[Peppertronica]

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[Victorian Gray]

Real classy act threatening someone with violence. Such a typical reaction from types like you. Then you go twisting my words and using them back at me. I never questioned anything about your wife, I merely stated my experience with my family and friends. Why can I not do that. And yes it does have basis in reality. I can handle reality but it seems you can't.

Calling me racist. You don't know anything about me. Their is a sickness in someone who jumps to that conclusion. But you can't understand how someone who is not racist could ever question why the issue of race keeps being a topic of national discussion time and time again. Your the polluted one.

Your reaction is one of a racist, a normal rational person would either dismiss my claims or engage in a discussion. Jumping to abuse and threatening violence towards someone is racism. Calling someone a racist just because they mention race is racism.Telling someone to keep their thoughts in their head in a country like Australia. Your crazy. Your the one that said Anglo-saxons are predisposed to racism, when our societies say something completely different. Your the idiot.

Keep dictating to people. You don't listen. You don't take anything in. Your mind is set like concrete and doesn't have any capacity to reason anymore. You just project what you think you have heard.

I'm not scared of someone who can't even articulate themselves without resorting to abuse and never will be.

I really do get sick and tired of being civilized and polite, and constantly having you come at me with abuse, unable to have a rational civilized conversation. I think that says everything anyone needs to know about you who cry racist.

C'mon, accept your inner duckness. You know you want to.

 

[Peppertronica]

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[Peppertronica]

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[Orignal Earl]

Duck quacks don't echo, yet somehow yours manage to.

Duck quacks do echo.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You don't know anything about my feelings or who I have loved in the past. Your in no position to imply I am racist.

Their is a big difference between being skeptical about minorities and questioning their intentions when talking about race issues and actually being racist.

Going around threatening people and implying racism reminds me of a certain radical Iranian.

By constantly shouting racism you prove your more racist than I could ever be.

Infact now I think about it isn't it strange that it was all the asian girls who ran out of that cafe, without a care about the fate of the other hostages.

Then all the men ran out, leaving one man alone with a handful of women to fight off a crazed gunman. Instead of the men banding together to over power the gunman they fled. Shows you the disingenuous nature of Australian men and asian women. No wonder you suit each other so well.

I live in Brisbane, that's how I know what you say is a lie, I listen to all the non-Thai asian ladies and how they complain when going to the Thai lunches everyone only talks Thai and talks over them so they now have a separate lunch without them. I certainly won't be looking over my shoulder.

Your so uptight, you have lost the ability to see when someone is being sarcastic and attempting humor about such a subject as this.

It seems the over sensitive disposition is something transferred from ethnics to their partners. How unsure of yourself you must be to threaten people and constantly cry racism. Fingers crossed you do something stupid and end up in prison for a very long time.

 

[norseamd]

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