Hospitals should not be owned & run by religious entities

[m316foley]

So abortion is OK as long as the woman is raped and it's not partial-birth abortions, however an emergency contraceptive isn't ok. Has ANYONE looked at the FDA's findings? Oh wait, it was vetoed by the President, because of political reasons....

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic
I fail to see how a 72 hour window constitutes an "emergency." You could fly around the world or drive across the country in that length of time, much less make it to the nearest secular hospital.

You're missing the point, if a woman is raped and beaten or unconscious, she has no choice which hospital she goes to. I know 3 states off the top of my head that require ALL hospitals to at least offer the contraceptive to rape victims. Ok, so lets say they don't get the pill. It's just advocating abortion for rape patients...

So she gets the abortion. I still don't see where this extreme and rare example justifies the closing of all religion-owned hospitals, as the OP advocates (and you seem to be siding with).
I don't agree with the Catholic position here, but I think it better to humor them on this rather minor issue than to close down a considerable percentage of our nation's hospitals over what is really a political (rather than a health) issue.

Whoa whoa whoa.... I would like to make it absolutely clear: I do NOT agree with the OP's view to close down all religion-based/religion-owned hospitals. However, I do agree they need to change certain practices if they are going to be given any type of money/tax break at all from the government. One practice being the practice of offering emergency contraceptives to rape patients.

did you read the thread? As many replies have pointed out, THERES NO SUCH THING AS AN EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTIVE

So what would you call it then? It stops contraception.... I know! We'll call it a Contraception STOPPER!

Um...try again?

It doesn't stop conception, it stops implantation. So call it "Fertilized Egg Uteral Implantation Prevention" to be perfectly accurate.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic
I fail to see how a 72 hour window constitutes an "emergency." You could fly around the world or drive across the country in that length of time, much less make it to the nearest secular hospital.

You're missing the point, if a woman is raped and beaten or unconscious, she has no choice which hospital she goes to. I know 3 states off the top of my head that require ALL hospitals to at least offer the contraceptive to rape victims. Ok, so lets say they don't get the pill. It's just advocating abortion for rape patients...

So she gets the abortion. I still don't see where this extreme and rare example justifies the closing of all religion-owned hospitals, as the OP advocates (and you seem to be siding with).
I don't agree with the Catholic position here, but I think it better to humor them on this rather minor issue than to close down a considerable percentage of our nation's hospitals over what is really a political (rather than a health) issue.

Whoa whoa whoa.... I would like to make it absolutely clear: I do NOT agree with the OP's view to close down all religion-based/religion-owned hospitals. However, I do agree they need to change certain practices if they are going to be given any type of money/tax break at all from the government. One practice being the practice of offering emergency contraceptives to rape patients.

did you read the thread? As many replies have pointed out, THERES NO SUCH THING AS AN EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTIVE

So what would you call it then? It stops contraception.... I know! We'll call it a Contraception STOPPER!

I thought there is a "morning after" pill ??

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic
I fail to see how a 72 hour window constitutes an "emergency." You could fly around the world or drive across the country in that length of time, much less make it to the nearest secular hospital.

You're missing the point, if a woman is raped and beaten or unconscious, she has no choice which hospital she goes to. I know 3 states off the top of my head that require ALL hospitals to at least offer the contraceptive to rape victims. Ok, so lets say they don't get the pill. It's just advocating abortion for rape patients...

So she gets the abortion. I still don't see where this extreme and rare example justifies the closing of all religion-owned hospitals, as the OP advocates (and you seem to be siding with).
I don't agree with the Catholic position here, but I think it better to humor them on this rather minor issue than to close down a considerable percentage of our nation's hospitals over what is really a political (rather than a health) issue.

Whoa whoa whoa.... I would like to make it absolutely clear: I do NOT agree with the OP's view to close down all religion-based/religion-owned hospitals. However, I do agree they need to change certain practices if they are going to be given any type of money/tax break at all from the government. One practice being the practice of offering emergency contraceptives to rape patients.

did you read the thread? As many replies have pointed out, THERES NO SUCH THING AS AN EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTIVE

So what would you call it then? It stops contraception.... I know! We'll call it a Contraception STOPPER!

I thought there is a "morning after" pill ??

heres a hint. If its a PILL, that cant wait til the MORNING AFTER, its not an emergency. Get it?

Besides, you dont have to go to a hospital to get a pill. Planned parenthood has made it pretty damn easy to get one, hell they will even give it to you for free, no questions asked.

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic
I fail to see how a 72 hour window constitutes an "emergency." You could fly around the world or drive across the country in that length of time, much less make it to the nearest secular hospital.

You're missing the point, if a woman is raped and beaten or unconscious, she has no choice which hospital she goes to. I know 3 states off the top of my head that require ALL hospitals to at least offer the contraceptive to rape victims. Ok, so lets say they don't get the pill. It's just advocating abortion for rape patients...

So she gets the abortion. I still don't see where this extreme and rare example justifies the closing of all religion-owned hospitals, as the OP advocates (and you seem to be siding with).
I don't agree with the Catholic position here, but I think it better to humor them on this rather minor issue than to close down a considerable percentage of our nation's hospitals over what is really a political (rather than a health) issue.

Whoa whoa whoa.... I would like to make it absolutely clear: I do NOT agree with the OP's view to close down all religion-based/religion-owned hospitals. However, I do agree they need to change certain practices if they are going to be given any type of money/tax break at all from the government. One practice being the practice of offering emergency contraceptives to rape patients.

did you read the thread? As many replies have pointed out, THERES NO SUCH THING AS AN EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTIVE

So what would you call it then? It stops contraception.... I know! We'll call it a Contraception STOPPER!

Um...try again?

It doesn't stop conception, it stops implantation. So call it "Fertilized Egg Uteral Implantation Prevention" to be perfectly accurate.

Can it reduce the number of abortions, yes. The FDA even concluded that. So the reason in not offering the pill is...........................*waits*

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic
I fail to see how a 72 hour window constitutes an "emergency." You could fly around the world or drive across the country in that length of time, much less make it to the nearest secular hospital.

You're missing the point, if a woman is raped and beaten or unconscious, she has no choice which hospital she goes to. I know 3 states off the top of my head that require ALL hospitals to at least offer the contraceptive to rape victims. Ok, so lets say they don't get the pill. It's just advocating abortion for rape patients...

So she gets the abortion. I still don't see where this extreme and rare example justifies the closing of all religion-owned hospitals, as the OP advocates (and you seem to be siding with).
I don't agree with the Catholic position here, but I think it better to humor them on this rather minor issue than to close down a considerable percentage of our nation's hospitals over what is really a political (rather than a health) issue.

Whoa whoa whoa.... I would like to make it absolutely clear: I do NOT agree with the OP's view to close down all religion-based/religion-owned hospitals. However, I do agree they need to change certain practices if they are going to be given any type of money/tax break at all from the government. One practice being the practice of offering emergency contraceptives to rape patients.

did you read the thread? As many replies have pointed out, THERES NO SUCH THING AS AN EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTIVE

So what would you call it then? It stops contraception.... I know! We'll call it a Contraception STOPPER!

I thought there is a "morning after" pill ??

heres a hint. If its a PILL, that cant wait til the MORNING AFTER, its not an emergency. Get it?

Besides, you dont have to go to a hospital to get a pill. Planned parenthood has made it pretty damn easy to get one, hell they will even give it to you for free, no questions asked.

Ever been to planned parenthood? Probably not. Because you would know that it's not that simple. Generally they're all packed for the day. If you have any type of birth control histroy, they want it. Getting that information from other states isn't an easy thing to do. And no, it's not free.

EDIT: At least not free when I went a year ago... and yes, there are MANY questions asked.....

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic
I fail to see how a 72 hour window constitutes an "emergency." You could fly around the world or drive across the country in that length of time, much less make it to the nearest secular hospital.

You're missing the point, if a woman is raped and beaten or unconscious, she has no choice which hospital she goes to. I know 3 states off the top of my head that require ALL hospitals to at least offer the contraceptive to rape victims. Ok, so lets say they don't get the pill. It's just advocating abortion for rape patients...

So she gets the abortion. I still don't see where this extreme and rare example justifies the closing of all religion-owned hospitals, as the OP advocates (and you seem to be siding with).
I don't agree with the Catholic position here, but I think it better to humor them on this rather minor issue than to close down a considerable percentage of our nation's hospitals over what is really a political (rather than a health) issue.

Whoa whoa whoa.... I would like to make it absolutely clear: I do NOT agree with the OP's view to close down all religion-based/religion-owned hospitals. However, I do agree they need to change certain practices if they are going to be given any type of money/tax break at all from the government. One practice being the practice of offering emergency contraceptives to rape patients.

did you read the thread? As many replies have pointed out, THERES NO SUCH THING AS AN EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTIVE

So what would you call it then? It stops contraception.... I know! We'll call it a Contraception STOPPER!

I thought there is a "morning after" pill ??

Morning after pill is the same thing as emergency contraceptive

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic
I fail to see how a 72 hour window constitutes an "emergency." You could fly around the world or drive across the country in that length of time, much less make it to the nearest secular hospital.

You're missing the point, if a woman is raped and beaten or unconscious, she has no choice which hospital she goes to. I know 3 states off the top of my head that require ALL hospitals to at least offer the contraceptive to rape victims. Ok, so lets say they don't get the pill. It's just advocating abortion for rape patients...

So she gets the abortion. I still don't see where this extreme and rare example justifies the closing of all religion-owned hospitals, as the OP advocates (and you seem to be siding with).
I don't agree with the Catholic position here, but I think it better to humor them on this rather minor issue than to close down a considerable percentage of our nation's hospitals over what is really a political (rather than a health) issue.

Whoa whoa whoa.... I would like to make it absolutely clear: I do NOT agree with the OP's view to close down all religion-based/religion-owned hospitals. However, I do agree they need to change certain practices if they are going to be given any type of money/tax break at all from the government. One practice being the practice of offering emergency contraceptives to rape patients.

did you read the thread? As many replies have pointed out, THERES NO SUCH THING AS AN EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTIVE

So what would you call it then? It stops contraception.... I know! We'll call it a Contraception STOPPER!

I thought there is a "morning after" pill ??

heres a hint. If its a PILL, that cant wait til the MORNING AFTER, its not an emergency. Get it?

Besides, you dont have to go to a hospital to get a pill. Planned parenthood has made it pretty damn easy to get one, hell they will even give it to you for free, no questions asked.

Ever been to planned parenthood? Probably not. Because you would know that it's not that simple. Generally they're all packed for the day. If you have any type of birth control histroy, they want it. Getting that information from other states isn't an easy thing to do. And no, it's not free.

EDIT: At least not when I went...

so why would people go there if the local public hospital was better?

you have no argument.

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic
I fail to see how a 72 hour window constitutes an "emergency." You could fly around the world or drive across the country in that length of time, much less make it to the nearest secular hospital.

You're missing the point, if a woman is raped and beaten or unconscious, she has no choice which hospital she goes to. I know 3 states off the top of my head that require ALL hospitals to at least offer the contraceptive to rape victims. Ok, so lets say they don't get the pill. It's just advocating abortion for rape patients...

So she gets the abortion. I still don't see where this extreme and rare example justifies the closing of all religion-owned hospitals, as the OP advocates (and you seem to be siding with).
I don't agree with the Catholic position here, but I think it better to humor them on this rather minor issue than to close down a considerable percentage of our nation's hospitals over what is really a political (rather than a health) issue.

Whoa whoa whoa.... I would like to make it absolutely clear: I do NOT agree with the OP's view to close down all religion-based/religion-owned hospitals. However, I do agree they need to change certain practices if they are going to be given any type of money/tax break at all from the government. One practice being the practice of offering emergency contraceptives to rape patients.

did you read the thread? As many replies have pointed out, THERES NO SUCH THING AS AN EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTIVE

So what would you call it then? It stops contraception.... I know! We'll call it a Contraception STOPPER!

I thought there is a "morning after" pill ??

heres a hint. If its a PILL, that cant wait til the MORNING AFTER, its not an emergency. Get it?

Besides, you dont have to go to a hospital to get a pill. Planned parenthood has made it pretty damn easy to get one, hell they will even give it to you for free, no questions asked.

Ever been to planned parenthood? Probably not. Because you would know that it's not that simple. Generally they're all packed for the day. If you have any type of birth control histroy, they want it. Getting that information from other states isn't an easy thing to do. And no, it's not free.

EDIT: At least not when I went...

so why would people go there if the local public hospital was better?

you have no argument.

Because it is more confidential than seeing a family physician and generally it is cheaper than just getting a prescription for it.

 

[Train]

and you are still compleyely ignoriong the main point:


If its a PILL, that cant wait til the MORNING AFTER, its not an emergency.


Emergency treatments dont come in pill form. And emergencies are usually NOW, not after you wake up. Whats so hard to grasp here?

 

[totalcommand]

The reason its considered an "emergency" pill is (1) Because you're taking it nearly immediately and (2) it has bad side effects.

You guys need to realize that this isn't a pill that women are going to eat like candy. Promiscuous teens out there aren't going to think "Oh! I can have sex and the man can ejaculate inside me, I can just take this little pill! Yay!"

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: Train
and you are still compleyely ignoriong the main point:


If its a PILL, that cant wait til the MORNING AFTER, its not an emergency.


Emergency treatments dont come in pill form. And emergencies are usually NOW, not after you wake up. Whats so hard to grasp here?

Emergency: A serious situation or occurrence that happens unexpectedly and demands immediate action.

Morning After.... well, it really would depend on whenever you had sex I guess.....BUT

What the hell does it matter what it's called? It helps stop pregnancy and cut down on abortions...

 

[Train]

The point is, which you refuse to accept, is that administering a pill the next morning does not qualify as an "emergency", no matter how you try to spin it. People don't call 911 and take ambulances to get to morning after pills.

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: Train
The point is, which you refuse to accept, is that administering a pill the next morning does not qualify as an "emergency", no matter how you try to spin it. People don't call 911 and take ambulances to get to morning after pills.

Ok, so your upset at the name.....oh well :roll:

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: Vic
I fail to see how a 72 hour window constitutes an "emergency." You could fly around the world or drive across the country in that length of time, much less make it to the nearest secular hospital.

You're missing the point, if a woman is raped and beaten or unconscious, she has no choice which hospital she goes to. I know 3 states off the top of my head that require ALL hospitals to at least offer the contraceptive to rape victims. Ok, so lets say they don't get the pill. It's just advocating abortion for rape patients...

So she gets the abortion. I still don't see where this extreme and rare example justifies the closing of all religion-owned hospitals, as the OP advocates (and you seem to be siding with).
I don't agree with the Catholic position here, but I think it better to humor them on this rather minor issue than to close down a considerable percentage of our nation's hospitals over what is really a political (rather than a health) issue.

Whoa whoa whoa.... I would like to make it absolutely clear: I do NOT agree with the OP's view to close down all religion-based/religion-owned hospitals. However, I do agree they need to change certain practices if they are going to be given any type of money/tax break at all from the government. One practice being the practice of offering emergency contraceptives to rape patients.

did you read the thread? As many replies have pointed out, THERES NO SUCH THING AS AN EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTIVE

So what would you call it then? It stops contraception.... I know! We'll call it a Contraception STOPPER!

Um...try again?

It doesn't stop conception, it stops implantation. So call it "Fertilized Egg Uteral Implantation Prevention" to be perfectly accurate.

Can it reduce the number of abortions, yes. The FDA even concluded that. So the reason in not offering the pill is...........................*waits*

So the reason Catholic Healthcare doesn't offer it is because it is against their ethical and religious directives. What's not clear about that? That's a first amendment issue.

 

[Legend]

I don't agree with closing religious hospitals, but if they refuse to give an pill to a woman that has just been raped, then the hospital should not be allowed federal aid. To dictate religious related morals on the general public with federal tax dollars crosses the wall of church and state.

And to people suggesting such a situation is not an emergency, that's only true if you're comparing it to someone that is near fatally wounded. Sure that person gets precendence. But the emotional and physical damage from rape is an emergency. It's insulting to women and humanity to suggest otherwise.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: m316foley


So what would you call it then? It stops contraception.... I know! We'll call it a Contraception STOPPER!

Um...try again?

It doesn't stop conception, it stops implantation. So call it "Fertilized Egg Uteral Implantation Prevention" to be perfectly accurate.

Can it reduce the number of abortions, yes. The FDA even concluded that. So the reason in not offering the pill is...........................*waits*

So the reason Catholic Healthcare doesn't offer it is because it is against their ethical and religious directives. What's not clear about that? That's a first amendment issue.

Except they get money from the government. And we all know about the University first amendment issue, government funding, and military recruiting. It is easily argued that health care is just as important as military recruiting.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: zendari
Well if you really want to talk about the Hippocratic Oath..

Text
I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion. With purity and with holiness I will pass my life and practice my Art.

Even if they help him I'm sure the evil Jesusfreak RRR hospitals never sent EatSpam an invitation to the party.

Yes, but also fail to mention the classic Hippocratic Oath also forbids surgery as well.

EDIT: Can't find any credible evidence to back this up, but a Doctor did tell me and that's what I was banking on. So I won't bring up that claim, but you notice how we *today* use a modified version of it anyways.

A lovely oath then. Just take out the parts you don't like.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: zendari
They are keeping their religion to themselves. You're the one intruding on their hospital.

As is the federal and state government by providing the religious hospitals money for hospital related expenses. They are bound to the government also by the money, and therefore have less say in what care they may provide care than you think they do.

Unless you want that money to be taken away of course, and then the Hospital will be out of business.

And people like EatSpam will be out of emergency healthcare. Consider the funding to cover the expenses of hospital patients who aren't members of the church.

If the government has a problem with what the hospitals are doing, by all means, strip the funding.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: m316foley
A.) It's 3 days (72 hours) after having sexual intercourse
B.) Hypothetical: You have sex on a friday night, doctor's office is closed till monday.... see the issue as far as it being an OTC drug?

You obviously have no idea what an emergency is. In hypothetical B, I would like to see the reaction of the people in the ER who have gunshot wounds, broken bones, and 104 degree fevers when some slut comes walking in and says "Like, I totally just had sex and need an emergency contraceptive so I don't have to be responsible for my own actions." You have 72 hours. I guarantee you will be able to find a secular hospital within 3 days driving time.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: m316foley
A.) It's 3 days (72 hours) after having sexual intercourse
B.) Hypothetical: You have sex on a friday night, doctor's office is closed till monday.... see the issue as far as it being an OTC drug?

You obviously have no idea what an emergency is. In hypothetical B, I would like to see the reaction of the people in the ER who have gunshot wounds, broken bones, and 104 degree fevers when some slut comes walking in and says "Like, I totally just had sex and need an emergency contraceptive so I don't have to be responsible for my own actions." You have 72 hours. I guarantee you will be able to find a secular hospital within 3 days driving time.

Liberals aren't interested in that. They're only idea is to force their beliefs onto Christian healthcare providers and pharmacists, forcing them to conform with liberal prosexualirresponsiblepromiscuity. It's a form of indentured service.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: zendari
Well if you really want to talk about the Hippocratic Oath..

Text
I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion. With purity and with holiness I will pass my life and practice my Art.

Even if they help him I'm sure the evil Jesusfreak RRR hospitals never sent EatSpam an invitation to the party.

Yes, but also fail to mention the classic Hippocratic Oath also forbids surgery as well.

EDIT: Can't find any credible evidence to back this up, but a Doctor did tell me and that's what I was banking on. So I won't bring up that claim, but you notice how we *today* use a modified version of it anyways.

A lovely oath then. Just take out the parts you don't like.

The original oath:

I SWEAR by Apollo the physician, and Aesculapius, and Health, and All-heal, and all the gods and goddesses, that, according to my ability and judgment, I will keep this Oath and this stipulation- to reckon him who taught me this Art equally dear to me as my parents, to share my substance with him, and relieve his necessities if required; to look upon his offspring in the same footing as my own brothers, and to teach them this art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or stipulation; and that by precept, lecture, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the Art to my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to disciples bound by a stipulation and oath according to the law of medicine, but to none others. I will follow that system of regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous. I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion. With purity and with holiness I will pass my life and practice my Art. I will not cut persons laboring under the stone, but will leave this to be done by men who are practitioners of this work. Into whatever houses I enter, I will go into them for the benefit of the sick, and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief and corruption; and, further from the seduction of females or males, of freemen and slaves. Whatever, in connection with my professional practice or not, in connection with it, I see or hear, in the life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should be kept secret. While I continue to keep this Oath unviolated, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art, respected by all men, in all times! But should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the reverse be my lot!

We charge for teaching of medicine, perform surgery, and don't practice abstinence... Modern doctors are as far from many parts of the Hippocratic oath as modern medicine is from the one his practiced.

If you cannot accept the fact that the world has changed since 400 BC, or simply want to be an ass and a drama queen, then I will ask you to kindly leave this discussion immediately.

P.S. Modern oath:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html

As you notice it's far longer reflecting, unsurprisingly, the increased complexity of the world we live in, compared to the world of Hippocrates.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: m316foley
A.) It's 3 days (72 hours) after having sexual intercourse
B.) Hypothetical: You have sex on a friday night, doctor's office is closed till monday.... see the issue as far as it being an OTC drug?

You obviously have no idea what an emergency is. In hypothetical B, I would like to see the reaction of the people in the ER who have gunshot wounds, broken bones, and 104 degree fevers when some slut comes walking in and says "Like, I totally just had sex and need an emergency contraceptive so I don't have to be responsible for my own actions." You have 72 hours. I guarantee you will be able to find a secular hospital within 3 days driving time.

Liberals aren't interested in that. They're only idea is to force their beliefs onto Christian healthcare providers and pharmacists, forcing them to conform with liberal prosexualirresponsiblepromiscuity. It's a form of indentured service.

The medical board that licenses physicians is a secular organization, which has issued clear guidelines that a doctor must abide by, or be found to be guilty of malpractice. If the christian doctors have a problem with fulfilling their duty, it is their responsibility to find a satisfactory replacement for a patient. They do not have the right to recuse themselves unless they've done the latter.

 

[preCRT]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: m316foley
A.) It's 3 days (72 hours) after having sexual intercourse
B.) Hypothetical: You have sex on a friday night, doctor's office is closed till monday.... see the issue as far as it being an OTC drug?

You obviously have no idea what an emergency is. In hypothetical B, I would like to see the reaction of the people in the ER who have gunshot wounds, broken bones, and 104 degree fevers when some slut comes walking in and says "Like, I totally just had sex and need an emergency contraceptive so I don't have to be responsible for my own actions." You have 72 hours. I guarantee you will be able to find a secular hospital within 3 days driving time.

These are two different cases. Yes, Plan B should be OTC, then it would be available for those who need it after unprotected sex.

However, the FDA in its infinite stupidity has seen fit to ignore the advice and votes of its own scientists and ruled against Plan B being OTC.

So since it isn't readily available, why should any woman [or child] who has been raped have to suffer further indignities of being willfully subjected to inferior & negligent medical care at a federally funded hospital? If that hospital will not or cannot provide the necessary care, cut off their government funding and let them try to survive on the goodwill and cash of the church. It won't take long before those hospitals close. They should have a choice, accept the current standards for proper care, or stop taking my tax money.

One other point, no man, no matter how caring and empathetic can understand the depth of the pain, fear, trauma, and suffering of a woman who has been raped. She not only has to deal with the violent and unwanted violation of her very being, she must also fear STDs and unwanted pregnancy. If men had to deal with that, they'd be demanding emergency contraceptives right then & there in the ER.

 

[marincounty]

Hospitals should not be owned & run by religious entities-

I agree, get religion out of the hospital.
Why does the Catholic church run hospitals? It can't be the money, hospitals are usually money pits, and are closing in a lot of areas.
It must be that they think they can influence people, prevent abortions or other medical treatments they object to. And the fact that we are even having a discussion about it shows that they are successful in shaping debate and medical treatment in the US.