Hosni Mubarak, the richest man in world: Report

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/04/hosni-mubarak-family-fortune

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Mubarak family fortune could reach $70bn, say experts
Egyptian president has cash in British and Swiss banks plus UK and US property

President Hosni Mubarak's family fortune could be as much as $70bn (£43.5bn) according to analysis by Middle East experts, with much of his wealth in British and Swiss banks or tied up in real estate in London, New York, Los Angeles and along expensive tracts of the Red Sea coast.

After 30 years as president and many more as a senior military official, Mubarak has had access to investment deals that have generated hundreds of millions of pounds in profits. Most of those gains have been taken offshore and deposited in secret bank accounts or invested in upmarket homes and hotels.

According to a report last year in the Arabic newspaper Al Khabar, Mubarak has properties in Manhattan and exclusive Beverly Hills addresses on Rodeo Drive.

His sons, Gamal and Alaa, are also billionaires. A protest outside Gamal's ostentatious home at 28 Wilton Place in Belgravia, central London, highlighted the family's appetite for western trophy assets.

Amaney Jamal, a political science professor at Princeton University, said the estimate of $40bn-70bn was comparable with the vast wealth of leaders in other Gulf countries.

"The business ventures from his military and government service accumulated to his personal wealth," she told ABC news. "There was a lot of corruption in this regime and stifling of public resources for personal gain.

"This is the pattern of other Middle Eastern dictators so their wealth will not be taken during a transition. These leaders plan on this."

Al Khabar said it understood the Mubaraks kept much of their wealth offshore in the Swiss bank UBS and the Bank of Scotland, part of Lloyds Banking Group, although this information could be at least 10 years old.

There are only sketchy details of exactly where the Mubaraks have generated their wealth and its final destination.

Christopher Davidson, professor of Middle East politics at Durham University, said Mubarak, his wife, Suzanne, and two sons were able to accumulate wealth through a number of business partnerships with foreign investors and companies, dating back to when he was in the military and in a position to benefit from corporate corruption.

He said most Gulf states required foreigners give a local business partner a 51% stake in start-up ventures. In Egypt, the figure is commonly nearer 20%, but still gives politicians and close allies in the military a source of huge profits with no initial outlay and little risk.

"Almost every project needs a sponsor and Mubarak was well-placed to take advantage of any deals on offer," he said.

"Much of his money is in Swiss bank accounts and London property. These are the favourites of Middle Eastern leaders and there is no reason to think Mubarak is any different. Gamal's Wilton Place home is likely to be the tip of the iceberg."

Al Khabar named a series of major western companies that, partnered with the Mubarak family, generated an estimated $15m a year in profits.

Aladdin Elaasar, author of The Last Pharaoh: Mubarak and the Uncertain Future of Egypt in the Obama Age, said the Mubaraks own several residences in Egypt, some inherited from previous presidents and the monarchy, and others the president has commissioned.

Hotels and land around the Sharm el-Sheikh tourist resort are also a source of Mubarak family wealth.

Want to know why he won't step down to a different regime? That's why. If he steps down to a "people's regime", he will be prosecuted -make no mistake.

He wants to step down the way Yelstin stepped down to Vladimir Putin -with a presidential pardon, and a continued regime.
 

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if youre ever a successful dictator you can never retire bc you have to protect all the stuff youve stolen and at the same time avoid being tried and hung. i support mubarek though, hes been good for the world by keeping his foot on the neck of the egyptian people so they cant destroy the planet. if he had to be given 70 billion to do that, it was money well spent
 
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Ferdinand Marcos, redux. Presumably it is stolen American aid that built his fortune.
 

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Presumably it is stolen American aid that built his fortune.

Nope. The aid was mainly military.

His fortune was formed thanks to forcing himself into every profitable business in the country -including monopolizing basic industries (iron, cement, food) in a country of 80 million, for 3 decades.

You can sell him 51% of your stock for dirt cheap, or, you can watch as he burns it down to the ground. It's a pretty straightforward policy.
 

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I have to say one thing about Mubarak, and that is the fact he seems awful hard to get rid of.

The typical dictator usually takes their money and runs when the jig is up, and many spend decades in comfortable retirement as they enjoy their ill gotten gains.

But in the case of Hosni, he is hoping to somehow outlast the protests, and just might manage the feat. Or on the other hand, if Hosni chooses not to go when the jig is up, he may simply lose his life instead, and usual method is typically a pistol to the head.

So in that sense, Mubarak may be playing you bet your life on the outcome.
 

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I have to say one thing about Mubarak, and that is the fact he seems awful hard to get rid of.

The typical dictator usually takes their money and runs when the jig is up, and many spend decades in comfortable retirement as they enjoy their ill gotten gains.

But in the case of Hosni, he is hoping to somehow outlast the protests, and just might manage the feat. Or on the other hand, if Hosni chooses not to go when the jig is up, he may simply lose his life instead, and usual method is typically a pistol to the head.

So in that sense, Mubarak may be playing you bet your life on the outcome.
Mubarak is counting on his personality cult -usually associated with dictatorships. A cult of personality arises when an individual uses mass media, propaganda, or other methods, to create an idealized and heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.

He has been idolized for years by many people. To the extent that when they heard about his billions, they dismissed it as "foreign smearing" of their idol. Many still want him to have an "honorable, constitutional" exit.

It's really sad. That said, today there were 2 million protesters in Liberation square alone (Cairo), asking for a public prosecution of this billionaire terrorist.
 

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Does that mean the Egyptian foreign debt was essentially to give him money?

That's what it sounds like... .sounds like he just pocketed it. Our presidents are all elitists anyhow who are already wealthy when they enter office and then accumulate wealth further while in office.
 

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That's what it sounds like... .sounds like he just pocketed it. Our presidents are all elitists anyhow who are already wealthy when they enter office and then accumulate wealth further while in office.

Again, no: The AID was mainly military.

He made his fortune by bullying himself into every profitable company in the country over 30 years. Basically, if you want to do business, you have to make sure there's a Mubarak owning a sizable portion of your company.
 

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David Frum looked into those numbers a week ago and blasted them apart; they're not the work of a forensic accountant.

Let's put it this way - the King of Saudi Arabia is estimated to be worth $21 billion. It's rather unlikely that Mubarak is worth four times that amount.
 

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David Frum looked into those numbers a week ago and blasted them apart; they're not the work of a forensic accountant.

Let's put it this way - the King of Saudi Arabia is estimated to be worth $21 billion. It's rather unlikely that Mubarak is worth four times that amount.

Agreed. There is no way this guy is worth more than 20 billion.
 

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Hopefully Egypt gets that money to pour into their economy if they overthrow his ass.
 

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Again, no: The AID was mainly military.

He made his fortune by bullying himself into every profitable company in the country over 30 years. Basically, if you want to do business, you have to make sure there's a Mubarak owning a sizable portion of your company.

That's not what I meant at all. Think of it this way: instead of Mubarak pocketing the money through ownership, he could have taxed businesses and Egypt wouldn't have foreign debt.
 

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Why does it matter what Mubarak is estimated to be worth in real dollars or any other currency? The guy is 82 years old, and how much longer can he live anyway if he dies of natural causes. As it is, Hosni promises he will not run in the election scheduled to be held in another seven months and that applies to his two sons also.

Some people may revere Mubarak, but a far larger number don't trust a promise he utters. Is it money that motivates Mubarak, or is it the power he plans to transfer to his sons? I suspect its the latter, and an addiction to Political power can be satisfied by no other drug on earth.
 

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David Frum looked into those numbers a week ago and blasted them apart; they're not the work of a forensic accountant.

Let's put it this way - the King of Saudi Arabia is estimated to be worth $21 billion. It's rather unlikely that Mubarak is worth four times that amount.

Egypt is much bigger than SA in every single way. Egypt has also grown a whole lot faster than SA. When you're a key stock holder in every single profitable business in a country of 85 million, you make a whole lot more money than a King in a stagnant economy of a country of 25 million.
 

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Egypt is much bigger than SA in every single way. Egypt has also grown a whole lot faster than SA. When you're a key stock holder in every single profitable business in a country of 85 million, you make a whole lot more money than a King in a stagnant economy of a country of 25 million.

Egypt GDP: $500.9 billion (2010 est.)
Egypt population: 80,471,869 (July 2010 est.)

Saudi Arabia GDP: $622.5 billion (2010 est.)
Saudi Arabia population: 25,731,776 (July 2010 est.)

Sorry, no. Mubarak may be in the billions - personally I doubt it - but he sure as hell isn't worth more than a couple.
 

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Egypt GDP: $500.9 billion (2010 est.)
Egypt population: 80,471,869 (July 2010 est.)

Saudi Arabia GDP: $622.5 billion (2010 est.)
Saudi Arabia population: 25,731,776 (July 2010 est.)

Sorry, no. Mubarak may be in the billions - personally I doubt it - but he sure as hell isn't worth more than a couple.


careful TareX is Egyptian he knows more about Egypt than we do...after all he is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.....
 

Lemon law

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careful TareX is Egyptian he knows more about Egypt than we do...after all he is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.....
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Careful JEDIY, TareX may be an Egyptian and hence understand Egyptian politics better than we on Anand Tech do, but if you run around calling TareX a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, don't you think you should present some proof?

And in my mind, I am unsure which is the greatest mid-east villain with more Robbery and murders on their name. The smart money is on Israel as the greatest Mid-east villain rather than the rather ineffectual Muslim Brotherhood that has little internal Egyptian support.

But I yield the rest of my post to TareX. so he can decide if your JEDIY accusations are even worth responding to.
 
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Careful JEDIY, TareX may be an Egyptian and hence understand Egyptian politics better than we on Anand Tech do, but if you run around calling TareX a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, don't you think you should present some proof?

And in my mind, I am unsure which is the greatest mid-east villain with more Robbery and murders on their name. The smart money is on Israel as the greatest Mid-east villain rather than the rather ineffectual Muslim Brotherhood that has little internal Egyptian support.

But I yield the rest of my post to TareX. so he can decide if your JEDIY accusations are even worth responding to.

Wow. Just fucking wow.
 

TareX

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careful TareX is Egyptian he knows more about Egypt than we do...after all he is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.....

I'm running out of facepalms.... PS - I hate the MB -not because they're violent, terrorists...etc (they aren't), but because I despise any group of people who uses religion as a weapon/business to try garner public support. It's the cheapest way to build up herds of supporters since the dawn of time.

Back on topic, as I said, Mubarak's billions come from the "free shares" his family gets from any foreign business opening in Egypt:

‎"Its rich source flows from the sons being granted free shares in any new enterprise opening in Egypt. Foreigner enterprises that wish to do business in Egypt are commonly asked to give a free 20 per cent stake to them."
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2011/02/08/f-vp-stewart.html

Of all the remarkable developments pouring out of Egypt these days, one pertinent issue has yet to receive the attention it deserves — the curious case of Hosni Mubarak's wealth.

How much is it? Where is it all kept? And where did it come from?

Over the years, reputable sources have insisted that the president and his two sons, Gamal and Alaa, have accumulated somewhere between $15 and $30 billion dollars in family wealth. Some estimates go far higher.

We should keep this in mind when some Egyptian and U.S. officials bleat on about Mubarak's "60 years of devoted service to his country" and that he deserves an "honourabl exit."

Indeed, while the world media has understandably concentrated on the calls for freedom and democracy emanating from Tahrir Square, some reporters have noted the words most chanted in the streets of Cairo are "corruption," stealing" and "thieves."

Protestors in Tahrir Square in Cairo chant anti-Mubarak slogans around a mangled poster of the Egyptian president in February 2011. (Asmaa Waguih/Reuters)
So far, in the negotiations to replace Mubarak, the top opposition voices have skirted around this potentially explosive issue.

Still, on Monday, a group of 20 prominent Egyptians petitioned the public prosecutor to investigate these stories of the ruling family's vast wealth and how exactly it has been accumulated during the Mubaraks' 30-year lock on power.

Its rich source, according to several Mideast experts, flows from the sons being granted free shares in any new enterprise opening in Egypt.

Corporate tithing

Foreigner enterprises that wish to do business in Egypt are commonly asked to give a free 20 per cent stake to prominent Egyptians, according Christopher Davidson, professor of Middle East Politics at Durham University in England.

"This gives politicians and close allies in the military a source of huge profits with no initial outlay and little risk," Davidson said in an interview "Almost every project needs a sponsor and Mubarak was well placed to take advantage of any deals on offer."

Understanding this kind of corporate tithing explains the hold the Mubarak family has on the country's ruling elite. But reporting on Mubarak's "hidden billions" may significantly complicate the efforts of both Egyptians and outsiders to nudge the aging president from office (and presumably into exile) in a peaceful transfer of power.

As the extent and source of his wealth becomes better known, it will become much harder for those in the West, to argue that Mubarak should stay on until September as a guarantee of stability in the region.

Because he has been a dutiful regional partner in the Middle East, successive U.S. administrations have been ready to downplay Mubarak's authoritarian rule.

But if hard evidence emerges of corruption running into the billions of dollars, then we should expect to see that familiar spectacle of official Washington scrambling away from yet another strongman friend.

Abuse and intimidation

"All this raises a question," New York Times columnist Roger Cohen insisted this week.

"In the name of what, exactly, has the United States been ready to back and fund an ally whose contempt for the law, fake democracy and gross theft flouts everything for which America stands?"

Hosni Mubarak's two sons, Alaa (left) and Gamal, in October 2010 visiting the tomb of assassinated former president Anwar Sadat. The president has said that Gamal, who headed the top political committee of the ruling National Democratic Party, would not try to succeed him. (Amr Abdallah Dalsh/Reuters)
Of course, the U.S. and many other nations, including Canada, will say Mubarak's stability was vital to Mideast peace.

But these friends of Egypt now can't be "shocked" to discover the true extent of top-down corruption in his country.

It has been no secret that, under 30 years of Mubarak rule, traditional corruption in Egypt expanded at every level.

Egypt's government has been thoroughly abused by a system of bribes and favours backed up by intimidation and legal threats.

Anyone who hinted at financial abuse inside Egypt risked arrest and possibly torture by the feared secret police, who had their own stake in a corrupt system.

Even the military, beyond criticism in Egypt, has such extensive business interests that U.S. diplomats viewed it as a form of "Military Inc.," according to a recent New York Times story.

The military owns enterprises in electronics, hotels, energy and even household appliances and bread production that are often run by retired generals.

According to Transparency International's annual corruption index, Egypt ranks an ignominious 98th of 178 countries, just ahead of Mexico.

Astonishing non-achievement

As for the immediate crisis, however, one has to wonder about the willingness of a systemically corrupt regime to yield to reform.

From what I have been told, there is fear throughout the upper reaches of the Egyptian government that a serious investigation into corruption will burn them all.

That prospect could well drive them to hang on to power whatever the costs to the country.

For how does one even begin to unravel corruption on this scale? The truth and reconciliation commissions that worked so well in South Africa and Northern Ireland dealt with acts of past violence. Dealing with stolen mega-fortunes may not be so easy.

There was a time when wealthy dethroned leaders — such as Egypt's playboy King Farouk in 1952 — could simply fly off into gilded exile on the Riviera or in Switzerland.

But today those in exile face posses of lawyers and investigators demanding prosecution and even extradition.

Determined to maintain the safety that power offers, the new government appointed by Mubarak has thrown a few sacrificial multi-millionaires over the side.

Even a close business associate of Mubarak's son Gamal — the widely loathed Ahmed Ezz, a steel merchant and leading member of the governing party — has had his assets frozen.

But these token gestures have hardly appeased demonstrators who have run out of patience with a system that has cheated their lives at every turn.

Even as Egypt enjoyed economic growth in recent years, most citizens felt excluded.

The super rich grew ever more dominant and flashy while 30 per cent of the population remained illiterate — an astonishing non-achievement — and gross national income is a mere $2,000 per family.

While the world marvels at what is going on, an unjust system keeps those who lost out demonstrating in the streets, just as it keeps those who most benefited clinging desperately to power, lest the full truth come to light.

Also, yellus, you forget that SA is a Kingdom, and it has many multi-billionnaires among the royal family. In addition to that, the SA Royal family doesn't force itself into every foreign invenstment. Hell, they don't even have taxes (almost). It's a completely different economical structure.
 
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I was listening to a prof on the radio talking about this. She said she was surprised that the number was as low as $80bn and thought it would be much higher.

Not only does Mubarak take a stake in virtually every business, he also forces foreign companies to pay bribes in order to gain access to Egypt. As companies can't write off bribes as a business expense, they have to pay a "licensing fee" to the government in order to operate which is typically 10% of the size of the deal. This licensing fee goes directly to the Mubarak family as a bribe.

So if GE wants to sell $100m worth of lightbulbs in Egypt, they have to pay Mubarak $10m directly. Multiply that out by the number of deals and 30 years, add interest and $70bn isn't a stretch to reach.
 

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I was listening to a prof on the radio talking about this. She said she was surprised that the number was as low as $80bn and thought it would be much higher.

Not only does Mubarak take a stake in virtually every business, he also forces foreign companies to pay bribes in order to gain access to Egypt. As companies can't write off bribes as a business expense, they have to pay a "licensing fee" to the government in order to operate which is typically 10% of the size of the deal. This licensing fee goes directly to the Mubarak family as a bribe.

So if GE wants to sell $100m worth of lightbulbs in Egypt, they have to pay Mubarak $10m directly. Multiply that out by the number of deals and 30 years, add interest and $70bn isn't a stretch to reach.

Mubarak's overhead is lower than the Saudi King, as well. He only has to cut in a few cronies and his sons, whereas KSA has a thousand princes accustomed to living in style...
 

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Saudi has a generous welfare state too. Makes Sweden look like libertarians.

When I lived there you got a free house when married, free university anywhere in the world, and full HC and could meet with the king (mashlik) above that for loans or grants and guy I knew did and got 2 million to send his daughter to UCLA for a bone marrow transplant.

Incidentally this is why I laugh when people say Al Saud is next - only if they hire Filipinos to riot for them.
 
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