Hooray for Earth Hour!

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I call shens on the OP.

Energy saved

The Capital city of India, Delhi's power demand fell by 1000MW. The ?phenomenal? dip is attributed to the Earth Hour observed by Delhi on Saturday evening and the rain that brought the mercury down by a few notches. [9]

The Canadian province of Ontario, outside of Toronto, saw a decrease of 6% of electricity while Toronto saw a decrease of 15.1% (nearly doubled from 8.7% the previous year) as many businesses darkened, including the landmark CN Tower [10]

Swedish electricity operator Svenska Kraftnät recorded 2.1% decrease in power consumption from its projected figure between 8 p.m. and 9 p.m. The following hour, the corresponding number was 5%.[11]

This equals the consumption of approximately half a million households out of the total 4.5 million households in Sweden.[12]

According to Vietnam Electricity Company, Vietnam electricity demand fell 140,000 kWh during Earth Hour.

In Ireland, the equivalent of 700,000 lights went off for the hour, leading to electricity consumption dropping 2 percent for the hour. Total electricity consumption dropped by about 70 megawatts during the period, resulting in a saving of 30 tonnes of CO2 emissions. This compares to the 50 megawatts saved during 2008's Earth Hour.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Hour

Me thinks you're full of shit, Z.

If fact checking was a requirement for creating a thread in P&N, this forum would be pretty vacant.

But yes, the OPs statement seemed off so I'm glad someone actually bothered to look it up

California and NY energy usage graphs. No exceptional declines, just normal late-night drop-off.

Candle and carbon.

The problems with glow sticks.

Oops, guess I did fact check. Using actual data and not Wikipedia.

ZV

Good job ZV. I looked up the same articles, but was too lazy to bother replying. This is nothing but a merry go round.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Mother Nature decided to thank us for turning off all the lights by sending a tornado through town. I doubt we'll do anything nice for her again.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sandorski
It's not done to cause some major Environmental Benefit. It's done to remind people of an Issue. By your standard Veterans/Remembrance Day is just as pointless as it doesn't bring back the Dead.

Veterans/Remembrance Day doesn't make things worse, which Earth Hour very likely did. Burning candles and using glow sticks for Earth Hour celebrations is like throwing rocks at soldiers for Veterans Day celebrations. It goes against the whole point.

ZV

Wow, stupid post is stupid.

And raising awareness of carbon emissions by engaging in carbon-intensive activities is intelligent?

ZV

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I call shens on the OP.

Energy saved

The Capital city of India, Delhi's power demand fell by 1000MW. The ?phenomenal? dip is attributed to the Earth Hour observed by Delhi on Saturday evening and the rain that brought the mercury down by a few notches. [9]

The Canadian province of Ontario, outside of Toronto, saw a decrease of 6% of electricity while Toronto saw a decrease of 15.1% (nearly doubled from 8.7% the previous year) as many businesses darkened, including the landmark CN Tower [10]

Swedish electricity operator Svenska Kraftnät recorded 2.1% decrease in power consumption from its projected figure between 8 p.m. and 9 p.m. The following hour, the corresponding number was 5%.[11]

This equals the consumption of approximately half a million households out of the total 4.5 million households in Sweden.[12]

According to Vietnam Electricity Company, Vietnam electricity demand fell 140,000 kWh during Earth Hour.

In Ireland, the equivalent of 700,000 lights went off for the hour, leading to electricity consumption dropping 2 percent for the hour. Total electricity consumption dropped by about 70 megawatts during the period, resulting in a saving of 30 tonnes of CO2 emissions. This compares to the 50 megawatts saved during 2008's Earth Hour.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Hour

Me thinks you're full of shit, Z.

If fact checking was a requirement for creating a thread in P&N, this forum would be pretty vacant.

But yes, the OPs statement seemed off so I'm glad someone actually bothered to look it up

California and NY energy usage graphs. No exceptional declines, just normal late-night drop-off.

Candle and carbon.

The problems with glow sticks.

Oops, guess I did fact check. Using actual data and not Wikipedia.

ZV

Good job ZV. I looked up the same articles, but was too lazy to bother replying. This is nothing but a merry go round.

Some places it decreased, others it didn't. :shrug;

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: scruffypup

Originally posted by: masteryoda34
I turned every light I have on for Earth Hour.

You too???

Awareness of something that is not a proven fact and possible fiction can lead societies to behave very irrational,.... the more the agenda is pushed the more likely there is bloodshed,....

Can we push this theory as far as other theories that cause wars? Not likely, but who knows in todays day,...

Complete denial of mountains of Evidence is even more irrational.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Some places it decreased, others it didn't. :shrug;

So, net effect, it did nothing, and may have been worse if people burned a lot of candles. Just like I said.

ZV

 

[scruffypup]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: scruffypup

Originally posted by: masteryoda34
I turned every light I have on for Earth Hour.

You too???

Awareness of something that is not a proven fact and possible fiction can lead societies to behave very irrational,.... the more the agenda is pushed the more likely there is bloodshed,....

Can we push this theory as far as other theories that cause wars? Not likely, but who knows in todays day,...

Complete denial of mountains of Evidence is even more irrational.

No denial here,... there is no factual proof any global warming is man made,.... or if part is,.. how much,... none,... there is not even evidence,... we don't know since the Earth has been warmer in the past and it is unknown how much of a role is natural variations due to the sun or other sources,....

But there will be those who believe without doubt, just like Gods, ghosts, etc,.... sure warming could be man made, it could be man made delusions too.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sandorski
It's not done to cause some major Environmental Benefit. It's done to remind people of an Issue. By your standard Veterans/Remembrance Day is just as pointless as it doesn't bring back the Dead.

Veterans/Remembrance Day doesn't make things worse, which Earth Hour very likely did. Burning candles and using glow sticks for Earth Hour celebrations is like throwing rocks at soldiers for Veterans Day celebrations. It goes against the whole point.

ZV

Wow, stupid post is stupid.

And raising awareness of carbon emissions by engaging in carbon-intensive activities is intelligent?

ZV

Where's the evidence that Earth Hour advocates created more CO2 emmissions by doing this. I don't know about you, but most people use more than 1 40 watt lightbulb and I postulate that the actual number of Lights turned off were far greater than the Candles burned. Thus, I postulate that there in fact was a decrease in CO2 emissionns.

We can do that all day and not come to any resolution.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: scruffypup

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: scruffypup

Originally posted by: masteryoda34
I turned every light I have on for Earth Hour.

You too???

Awareness of something that is not a proven fact and possible fiction can lead societies to behave very irrational,.... the more the agenda is pushed the more likely there is bloodshed,....

Can we push this theory as far as other theories that cause wars? Not likely, but who knows in todays day,...

Complete denial of mountains of Evidence is even more irrational.

No denial here,... there is no factual proof any global warming is man made,.... or if part is,.. how much,... none,... there is not even evidence,... we don't know since the Earth has been warmer in the past and it is unknown how much of a role is natural variations due to the sun or other sources,....

But there will be those who believe without doubt, just like Gods, ghosts, etc,.... sure warming could be man made, it could be man made delusions too.

Like I said, denial is irrational.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sandorski
Some places it decreased, others it didn't. :shrug;

So, net effect, it did nothing, and may have been worse if people burned a lot of candles. Just like I said.

ZV

It did exactly what it was supposed to do: Raise Awareness.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
It's like calling Martin Luther King Jr's march on Washington meaningless because when it was over black's didn't immediately have equal rights. The concept is AWARENESS.

Everyone is aware. The problem is that, when weighed against everyone's immediate need, nobody gives a shit. Case in point? How many people DIDN'T flip their lights back on after Earth Hour?

I propose a month without cars. Even if just the aware, eco-friendlies did it, it would make a big difference, both in traffic and in emissions. But we wouldn't even propose that as an awareness event, because even the eco-friendlies are not that willing to sacrifice for the environment.

Or how about a boycott on buying new gas-powered vehicles at their current levels of emissions? As an awareness event that will make a difference and wouldn't even really impact your ability to get to work. But people won't do it because their desire/need for a new car overrides their caring about the environment.

<--- lives in Seattle and sees a lot of eco-friendlies driving brand new SUVs

 

[ericlp]

Only an Idiot like the OP that obviously has no clue about amps and watts. Light Bulbs only take up maybe 5-8% of your house hold yearly electrical usage and obviously if your using CFL's, it's gonna amount to even less then that. So, 1 hour with CFL bulbs is not going to amount to a hill of beans while your hot water heater, computers, washer, dryer, refrigerator, etc...etc... is buzzing away. Give it a rest moron. While I didn't observer the hour, it was meant for awareness of just how much coal we are burning to keep the electricity flowing.

Just because you didn't like the idea doesn't mean you gotta piss on everyone that does.

 

[scruffypup]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: scruffypup

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: scruffypup

Originally posted by: masteryoda34
I turned every light I have on for Earth Hour.

You too???

Awareness of something that is not a proven fact and possible fiction can lead societies to behave very irrational,.... the more the agenda is pushed the more likely there is bloodshed,....

Can we push this theory as far as other theories that cause wars? Not likely, but who knows in todays day,...

Complete denial of mountains of Evidence is even more irrational.

No denial here,... there is no factual proof any global warming is man made,.... or if part is,.. how much,... none,... there is not even evidence,... we don't know since the Earth has been warmer in the past and it is unknown how much of a role is natural variations due to the sun or other sources,....

But there will be those who believe without doubt, just like Gods, ghosts, etc,.... sure warming could be man made, it could be man made delusions too.

Like I said, denial is irrational.

You are funny,.... however wrong,...

There is data for one thing (higher temps over a period), there is data for another (emissions for a period),... there is someone with a THEORY that they are connected,.... there is no proof,... so denial is not part of this,... that is all I have stated,...

I said it is possible, I also said it could be another man made delusion and used extreme examples that people will pretty much believe in no matter what, then again maybe you are one to believe in the ghosts and Gods,....

 

[JSt0rm]

how much did it cost to make and ship all those candles dumb.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
And raising awareness of carbon emissions by engaging in carbon-intensive activities is intelligent?

ZV

If I have a decent idea but some people don't execute the idea properly, don't necessarily trash the idea.

Why couldn't people just go for a walk or turn off everything except one small light and play a couple board games? I would have just sat in my backyard and had a couple beers.

The fact you bring this up is a good thing and just goes to show people need more education on the subject.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: scruffypup

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: scruffypup

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: scruffypup

Originally posted by: masteryoda34
I turned every light I have on for Earth Hour.

You too???

Awareness of something that is not a proven fact and possible fiction can lead societies to behave very irrational,.... the more the agenda is pushed the more likely there is bloodshed,....

Can we push this theory as far as other theories that cause wars? Not likely, but who knows in todays day,...

Complete denial of mountains of Evidence is even more irrational.

No denial here,... there is no factual proof any global warming is man made,.... or if part is,.. how much,... none,... there is not even evidence,... we don't know since the Earth has been warmer in the past and it is unknown how much of a role is natural variations due to the sun or other sources,....

But there will be those who believe without doubt, just like Gods, ghosts, etc,.... sure warming could be man made, it could be man made delusions too.

Like I said, denial is irrational.

You are funny,.... however wrong,...

There is data for one thing (higher temps over a period), there is data for another (emissions for a period),... there is someone with a THEORY that they are connected,.... there is no proof,... so denial is not part of this,... that is all I have stated,...

I said it is possible, I also said it could be another man made delusion and used extreme examples that people will pretty much believe in no matter what, then again maybe you are one to believe in the ghosts and Gods,....

Keep on keeping on.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sandorski
Some places it decreased, others it didn't. :shrug;

So, net effect, it did nothing, and may have been worse if people burned a lot of candles. Just like I said.

ZV

It did exactly what it was supposed to do: Raise Awareness.

Awareness was already raised. What new information did Earth Hour bring up? What did it tell people that we didn't already know?

ZV

 

[Slick5150]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sandorski
Some places it decreased, others it didn't. :shrug;

So, net effect, it did nothing, and may have been worse if people burned a lot of candles. Just like I said.

ZV

It did exactly what it was supposed to do: Raise Awareness.

Awareness was already raised. What new information did Earth Hour bring up? What did it tell people that we didn't already know?

ZV

My Mother called me and mentioned how it made her realize she leaves way too many lights on around the house when she doesn't need to.

So, that's one person. I'm willing to guess there were others. Hence, awareness was raised.

Shocking.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sandorski
Some places it decreased, others it didn't. :shrug;

So, net effect, it did nothing, and may have been worse if people burned a lot of candles. Just like I said.

ZV

It did exactly what it was supposed to do: Raise Awareness.

Awareness was already raised. What new information did Earth Hour bring up? What did it tell people that we didn't already know?

ZV

Do you rail against everything that raises awareness of things that people already know?

 

[Slick5150]

OP should force those AIDS walk people to knock it off. I already know AIDS is bad. Assholes.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
And raising awareness of carbon emissions by engaging in carbon-intensive activities is intelligent?

ZV

If I have a decent idea but some people don't execute the idea properly, don't necessarily trash the idea.

Why couldn't people just go for a walk or turn off everything except one small light and play a couple board games? I would have just sat in my backyard and had a couple beers.

The fact you bring this up is a good thing and just goes to show people need more education on the subject.

I never said that conservation was a bad idea. There's a reason that I live in a house with a programmable thermostat, and double pane insulated windows. There's a reason that I replaced all of my incandescent lamps with fluorescents. There's a reason that I turn off lights when I leave a room.

Conservation, done properly, is a great idea. But Earth Hour isn't sustainable conservation. It's a circle-jerk for people who want to appear green. As Jay Leno said about hybrid cars like the Prius, people like everyone to know the good they're doing anonymously. All Earth Hour does is provide an excuse for people to stroke their egos.

Adlai Stevenson once said (rightly) that, "Patriotism is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime." The same can be said of conservation. Earth Hour is a short, frenzied outburst of emotion and I am critical of it as such. I have nothing but respect for those who still conserve even when no-one is watching.

ZV

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
And raising awareness of carbon emissions by engaging in carbon-intensive activities is intelligent?

ZV

If I have a decent idea but some people don't execute the idea properly, don't necessarily trash the idea.

Why couldn't people just go for a walk or turn off everything except one small light and play a couple board games? I would have just sat in my backyard and had a couple beers.

The fact you bring this up is a good thing and just goes to show people need more education on the subject.

I never said that conservation was a bad idea. There's a reason that I live in a house with a programmable thermostat, and double pane insulated windows. There's a reason that I replaced all of my incandescent lamps with fluorescents. There's a reason that I turn off lights when I leave a room.

Conservation, done properly, is a great idea. But Earth Hour isn't sustainable conservation. It's a circle-jerk for people who want to appear green. As Jay Leno said about hybrid cars like the Prius, people like everyone to know the good they're doing anonymously. All Earth Hour does is provide an excuse for people to stroke their egos.

Adlai Stevenson once said (rightly) that, "Patriotism is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime." The same can be said of conservation. Earth Hour is a short, frenzied outburst of emotion and I am critical of it as such. I have nothing but respect for those who still conserve even when no-one is watching.

ZV

You don't celebrate Independence Day?

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sandorski
Some places it decreased, others it didn't. :shrug;

So, net effect, it did nothing, and may have been worse if people burned a lot of candles. Just like I said.

ZV

It did exactly what it was supposed to do: Raise Awareness.

Awareness was already raised. What new information did Earth Hour bring up? What did it tell people that we didn't already know?

ZV

My Mother called me and mentioned how it made her realize she leaves way too many lights on around the house when she doesn't need to.

So, that's one person. I'm willing to guess there were others. Hence, awareness was raised.

Shocking.

In two months, call your mother and ask if she has actually changed any of her habits.

ZV

 

[LTC8K6]

I took the HEMI out for a run to celebrate Earth Hour.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
And raising awareness of carbon emissions by engaging in carbon-intensive activities is intelligent?

ZV

If I have a decent idea but some people don't execute the idea properly, don't necessarily trash the idea.

Why couldn't people just go for a walk or turn off everything except one small light and play a couple board games? I would have just sat in my backyard and had a couple beers.

The fact you bring this up is a good thing and just goes to show people need more education on the subject.

I never said that conservation was a bad idea. There's a reason that I live in a house with a programmable thermostat, and double pane insulated windows. There's a reason that I replaced all of my incandescent lamps with fluorescents. There's a reason that I turn off lights when I leave a room.

Conservation, done properly, is a great idea. But Earth Hour isn't sustainable conservation. It's a circle-jerk for people who want to appear green. As Jay Leno said about hybrid cars like the Prius, people like everyone to know the good they're doing anonymously. All Earth Hour does is provide an excuse for people to stroke their egos.

Adlai Stevenson once said (rightly) that, "Patriotism is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime." The same can be said of conservation. Earth Hour is a short, frenzied outburst of emotion and I am critical of it as such. I have nothing but respect for those who still conserve even when no-one is watching.

ZV

You don't celebrate Independence Day?

Every day of the year.

Oh, you mean July 4th. Well, for that day, I enjoy the fireworks (but then, I enjoy any fireworks) and I enjoy having the day off of work. I don't do anything especially "patriotic" though.

I don't go into the attic and dust off the flag so I can fly it on the one day a year when everyone else does. I don't wake up and take the pledge of allegiance. I don't sing the national anthem at noon. And so on and so forth.

ZV