honestly: what does AOL require to become "good"

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dullard

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There are numerous problems that I've noticed (note I haven't used the last couple of editions, so correct me if anything I say is outdated).
1) Biggest issue to me is price. $23.90 per month is their smallest price I saw on their website. I pay $6.50 a month (Alltel) for 20 hours and a nominal fee (which will never be as high as $23.90 a month) per hour after that. PeoplePC is $10.95 per month. People post here with dozens of other places which are all cheaper than AOL.
2) Bloated software. AOL has some of the biggest software bloat of any company and in the past has been very difficult to use without installing their software. Uninstalling it was even worse. One website (I forgot the link) keeps track of programs which leave resource hogging junk on your computer and AOL was #1.
3) Limited internet. I sure hope AOL has stopped this: for a long, long time everything you view must be AOL approved. New website you want to visit that all your friends visit? Tough luck, until it was AOL approved you couldn't view it. Blocked email is still a big problem from looking at posts above. Why would I pay ~4 times as much for LIMITED internet?
4) Detest for their marketing. Sorry but if a company angers me with their marketing, I don't want to try their product. I have a personal pet peeve for something that is repeatedly "new, improved, and the best product ever" over and over again. To me if you keep shouting that you are improved, then your last product must have NOT been the best product possible. But if you think back a year, their last product was marketed as being the best possible. I'm not sure if I'm being clear here. Take for example Mac users and how they feel about their OS. Or for a second example think of those Stacker weight loss products. When Stacker first came out commercials said that no product could ever lose more weight faster than with Stacker. Then Stacker 2 came out and suddenly nothing works better than Stacker 2 (heck now they are on Stacker 3). But wait, if no product could ever lose more weight faster than Stacker, what is this Stacker 2? I could go on and on with more examples - AOL is the king of them.
 

Shockwave

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AOL needs to offer 2 simple things. A decent webpase (Such as MSN.com only user customizable) and an IP address. THATS IT. The filtering is bullshyte IMO. The interfereing with other services is bullshyte IMO.
Gimme an Ip addy and I'm happy. Heck, I dont even use the 5 email accounts I get from RR, just the Ip address.
 

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Originally posted by: dullard
3) Limited internet. I sure hope AOL has stopped this: for a long, long time everything you view must be AOL approved. New website you want to visit that all your friends visit? Tough luck, until it was AOL approved you couldn't view it. Blocked email is still a big problem from looking at posts above. Why would I pay ~4 times as much for LIMITED internet?
I think that the only way for AOL to improve would be "ISP suppuku" as another poster mentioned, but I've got a question on this particular issue...

A local organization for which I am a volunteer webmaster got a domain name recently, and seemingly as soon as the DNS info had propagated, some AOL users were quite able to visit the site. Obviously, AOL didn't have time to update any whitelists or any crap like that. So I'm wondering if this wasn't just some kid's internet "protection" BS that the parents blindly enabled. I'm not trying to hostilely contradict what you're saying, I'm more or less curious what's going on here, with the seemingly contradictory reports... :confused:
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: jliechty
Originally posted by: dullard
3) Limited internet. I sure hope AOL has stopped this: for a long, long time everything you view must be AOL approved. New website you want to visit that all your friends visit? Tough luck, until it was AOL approved you couldn't view it. Blocked email is still a big problem from looking at posts above. Why would I pay ~4 times as much for LIMITED internet?
I think that the only way for AOL to improve would be "ISP suppuku" as another poster mentioned, but I've got a question on this particular issue...

A local organization for which I am a volunteer webmaster got a domain name recently, and seemingly as soon as the DNS info had propagated, some AOL users were quite able to visit the site. Obviously, AOL didn't have time to update any whitelists or any crap like that. So I'm wondering if this wasn't just some kid's internet "protection" BS that the parents blindly enabled. I'm not trying to hostilely contradict what you're saying, I'm more or less curious what's going on here, with the seemingly contradictory reports... :confused:
I think AOL stopped it but in many of their earlier versions it was in there. You were forced to use their keywords to get to a site - until AOL gave you a keyword you couldn't be seen. Email like others above mention still is often blocked. And I should add things like websites often specifically block AOL users. From Anandtech's FAQ:

"3. If you receive a message saying your E-Mail address is banned, you can contact the forum moderator to question why. Below is a list of E-mail services that were banned due to abuse, and will not be re-activated upon user request.

AOL
Bigfoot
Excite
Gotoworld
Hotmail
Nightmail
Whitehouse
Yahoo
All domains operated by portofevil.com, aka evilemail.com

4. In addition to the above, all of AOL's system is banned from the forums; this includes their IP addresses. This means that even if you sign up with a different E-mail address, you will not be able to post if you connect to the internet using their service."

Either way if AOL blocks websites or websites block AOL - limited internet isn't something I'm willing to buy.
 

vi edit

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Did anyone else catch the news that Time Warner is trying to dump AOL? It's losing too much $$ I guess.
 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: dullard
I think AOL stopped it but in many of their earlier versions it was in there. You were forced to use their keywords to get to a site - until AOL gave you a keyword you couldn't be seen. Email like others above mention still is often blocked. And I should add things like websites often specifically block AOL users.
They probably figured out that if they didn't quit doing such utterly idiotic BS, that sooner or later people would figure out that AOL wasn't "the internet" and then the fit would hit the shan... ;)
 

imported_Phil

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Don't ask me where I got this info as I'll get fired.
The AOL software will soon be going.

I'm not saying anything more for fear of being sacked :)
 

0roo0roo

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they would need to hire the best pr0n stars and have their own dedicated pr0n servers.
 

beatle

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I think it depends on what someone is looking for. If I were looking for dialup I'd want these things:

[*]Large pool of numbers nationwide
[*]Reliable, fast (for dialup) speeds
[*]Ability to stay logged in as long as I like
[*]No software whatsoever, just give me login credentials and my DNS servers
[*]Browsing accelerator server use for a very small fee that is easily turned off

I don't need email or webspace since I have my own host for $3/mo. Highstream.net pretty much nails all of my requirements and it's only $9/mo.
 

sharkeeper

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They will make a movie about AOL one day...


I suggest watching The Wall to get an idea what it will be like!



Cheers!
 

Chu

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Originally posted by: zimu
ok, pretty much everyone who knows anythign about computers hates AOL.

I personally have my issues cause I worked as a help desk support person for 1.5 years and 90% of our problems correlated to stupid AOL hijacking the internet connection and preventing lan connections etc etc etc. of course i can think of numerous more problems with AOL.

but in all honesty. lets say I, zimu, buy AOL and ask ATOT "so guys, i'm going to make a new plan JUST for you guys who know about computers. WHAT DO YOU WANT??"

skip the obvious stuff. i.e. "big bandwidth" doesn't cut it.

Dial up access via PPP, mail via SMTP, usenet via NNTP, and *NOTHING* else. The benefit is dial up access anwhere in the country.

-Chu
 

Chu

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Originally posted by: DopeFiend
Don't ask me where I got this info as I'll get fired.
The AOL software will soon be going.

I'm not saying anything more for fear of being sacked :)

I don't see how this could possibly be true unless the rumors of MS buying AOL are true i.e. integrate internet training wheels into windows. The alternate to the client is even more integration, but that would essentially (a) turn your desktop into some weird funky AOL based active desktop or (b) do what MSN did and do everything via windows explorer. I really don't consider (a) loosing the client, and (b) would turn AOL into just another ISP, and the fact they offer training wheels right now is their only benefit. What do you mean by "soon," because this is something i'll only believe when I see.

-Chu
 

aircooled

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They were good back in the 80's when they were called Quantum-Link and you dialed in with a Commodore 64 and 1200 baud modem.(sure wish I still had that floppy). Nowadays AOL still feels like a Commodore 64 and 1200 baud modem.