Honestly....how far away are we from a coup?

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rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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You have to love conservatives. They get so nasty when their diapers are dirty. Revolution, there's got to be a revolution. Yeah, I guess so when you smell like that.

I consider myself the definition of a conservative. However I do realize that there are always going to be liberals and sometimes they are going to be in power. I'm fine with you guys making my drive to work 20 minutes longer because they had to build the highway around a swamp to save some type of gnat. I'm fine with having to jump through hoops to buy a gun and having to pay damn near a dollar per bullet. I'm fine with paying more and more taxes while watching my community go broke.

But now its looking more and more like my son's health care is in jeopardy. I work hard to pay for his care. I've spent almost $5k this year between insurance and out of pocket costs. We'll be finding out within the next 30 days how much our insurance costs are going to go up because of Obamacare. I already know that I'm going to have to jump through even more hoops to get his diabetes supplies because of it. I'm very scared to see how much the costs do go up. If his health care changes because of this, I'm going to get very worked up. I would guess that the bulk of kids that go to his diabetes doctor are on Medicare. If they have to change the way things work.....I don't even want to think about it.

Mess with me all you want. I'm a big boy. But now you libs are messing with kids' lives just to satisfy your power trips. The straws keep piling on and my back can only take so much.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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A coup would depend on the support of the military and unless the attitudes of the average service member have changed drastically from the time when I served there is little danger of that.

This. There is in my opinion no real chance of a coup in the foreseeable future, a coup being a military takeover. A more realistic question I think would be how close are we to a revolution. There is in my opinion no real chance of a revolution in the foreseeable future either, but it's a better question because the military tends to be highly disciplined and obedient to the chain of command whereas the rest of us tend to be selfish whiny bastards.
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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When corporations start to have control over politics, and when laws are made to benefit corporate interests rather than the greater good... ohh wait ... that's been the case for like 30 years already ...

shit, I got nothin
 

CitizenKain

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Jul 6, 2000
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I consider myself the definition of a conservative. However I do realize that there are always going to be liberals and sometimes they are going to be in power. I'm fine with you guys making my drive to work 20 minutes longer because they had to build the highway around a swamp to save some type of gnat. I'm fine with having to jump through hoops to buy a gun and having to pay damn near a dollar per bullet. I'm fine with paying more and more taxes while watching my community go broke.

But now its looking more and more like my son's health care is in jeopardy. I work hard to pay for his care. I've spent almost $5k this year between insurance and out of pocket costs. We'll be finding out within the next 30 days how much our insurance costs are going to go up because of Obamacare. I already know that I'm going to have to jump through even more hoops to get his diabetes supplies because of it. I'm very scared to see how much the costs do go up. If his health care changes because of this, I'm going to get very worked up. I would guess that the bulk of kids that go to his diabetes doctor are on Medicare. If they have to change the way things work.....I don't even want to think about it.

Mess with me all you want. I'm a big boy. But now you libs are messing with kids' lives just to satisfy your power trips. The straws keep piling on and my back can only take so much.

Maybe you should work harder and pull yourself by your bootstraps instead of asking for a handout.
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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I'm totally with you! I'm grabbing my gun and heading down to th-... oh wait, Jersey Shore is on!!
There you go, that's it exactly. As long as the masses can continue to pop a beer in the warm, brain-numbing glow of their idiot boxes they will remain docile.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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Twenty more years of imperial measurements would put me over the edge.

METRIC NOW!

lol i don't know how i feel about that - i've started getting used to imperial measurements at work (in/lbf/s, stress in ksi, etc.)
 

Pocatello

Diamond Member
Oct 11, 1999
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There you go, that's it exactly. As long as the masses can continue to pop a beer in the warm, brain-numbing glow of their idiot boxes they will remain docile.

If you want to release your frustration, you go to the internet for pron or forums such as this one.
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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I'd love to see the "coup".
The people wanting it, like the tea party, would be the first to whine
about:
"where did my government benefits go?"
"why is my SS gone?"
"where are my VA benefits?"
"Why didn't I get my SS check?"
"why does my tap water have dirt in it?"
"why did my healthcare go up 1000 % this month and my medication?"
"where are my protections?"
"why isn’t Obama taking care of me?"
"Why is my food poison and unregulated?"
"why is my bank saying I have to pay off my home loan next week or get foreclosed on?"
"why does my neighbor have an assault weapon and why is he shooting it at me and no one is doing anything about it?"
"where are my food stamps?"
"why is gas $15 a gallon?"
"why why why...?"
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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When the people feel their voices have been drowned out by the lobbyists and special interests.

Bullshit, that has already happened.

The real answer is when people are hungry and no longer being kept "content" by the government. That will happen when the .gov no longer has the ability to keep people content and they will do everything possible to buy themselves any time they can.

As it is now a huge portion of the population depends on the .gov for something, especially food. As the saying goes, you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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I'd love to see the "coup".
The people wanting it, like the tea party, would be the first to whine
about:
"where did my government benefits go?"
"why is my SS gone?"
"where are my VA benefits?"
"Why didn't I get my SS check?"
"why does my tap water have dirt in it?"
"why did my healthcare go up 1000 % this month and my medication?"
"where are my protections?"
"why isn’t Obama taking care of me?"
"Why is my food poison and unregulated?"
"why is my bank saying I have to pay off my home loan next week or get foreclosed on?"
"why does my neighbor have an assault weapon and why is he shooting it at me and no one is doing anything about it?"
"where are my food stamps?"
"why is gas $15 a gallon?"
"why why why...?"

Why exactly would they be the "first" to complain about it? Besides, it won't be their call, it will be our creditors when they eventually figure out they aren't getting paid back in any meaningful fashion.
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
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As I've said before, there will never be another 'revolution' in this country. What there is is a march towards oligarchy, which ultimately is incompatible with Democracy.

If the wealthy get to the point they can overthrow democracy itself, it'll be done with a well-funded campaign that turns the people against Democracy, and may have a phony sponsored 'revolution' created, something like a stronger version of the Tea Party, with some sort of benefits the people can't resist if they give up democracy.

We're not close to that though; as I also said before, the wealthy are doing quite well with a corrupted democracy, which keeps the people cooperative.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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I consider myself the definition of a conservative. However I do realize that there are always going to be liberals and sometimes they are going to be in power. I'm fine with you guys making my drive to work 20 minutes longer because they had to build the highway around a swamp to save some type of gnat. I'm fine with having to jump through hoops to buy a gun and having to pay damn near a dollar per bullet. I'm fine with paying more and more taxes while watching my community go broke.

But now its looking more and more like my son's health care is in jeopardy. I work hard to pay for his care. I've spent almost $5k this year between insurance and out of pocket costs. We'll be finding out within the next 30 days how much our insurance costs are going to go up because of Obamacare. I already know that I'm going to have to jump through even more hoops to get his diabetes supplies because of it. I'm very scared to see how much the costs do go up. If his health care changes because of this, I'm going to get very worked up. I would guess that the bulk of kids that go to his diabetes doctor are on Medicare. If they have to change the way things work.....I don't even want to think about it.

Mess with me all you want. I'm a big boy. But now you libs are messing with kids' lives just to satisfy your power trips. The straws keep piling on and my back can only take so much.

Like most self-styled conservatives, you're blaming the wrong people, just as you've been taught. If progressive Dems' plans for a govt option hadn't been thwarted by repubs and a few of their corporatist own, you'd likely be eligible, and the financial burden on your family less. That's really what semi-socialized and socialized medical procurement is about- providing for the less fortunate, like your son, at reasonable cost to everybody.

It's a standard feature of every first world nation other than our own, and has been for a very long time.

But it's all Obama's fault, right?
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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This. There is in my opinion no real chance of a coup in the foreseeable future, a coup being a military takeover. A more realistic question I think would be how close are we to a revolution. There is in my opinion no real chance of a revolution in the foreseeable future either, but it's a better question because the military tends to be highly disciplined and obedient to the chain of command whereas the rest of us tend to be selfish whiny bastards.

I disagree with the implication of the first half of the sentence but completely agree with the latter.

I really don't see the .mil putting down a serious revolution in this country. By serious I mean at least 2/3 of the population supporting it, hell even 50% supporting it. I just don't see my buddy who fixes navy jets going to work and helping them bomb US citizens. I don't see infantry units storming a major US city and killing masses of US citizens. I would bet that the percentage of the population that is in favor of the revolution would be fairly representative of the .mil too.

Besides, blowing up our own infrastructure would remove the .govs power by default anyway. No monies=no power to bribe the rest of the citizens. OTOH, if it fails we could face a far worse .gov situation like a dictatorship of some sort.

Regardless, it won't happen unless they do something real dumb like cancel American Idol.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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As I've said before, there will never be another 'revolution' in this country. What there is is a march towards oligarchy, which ultimately is incompatible with Democracy.

If the wealthy get to the point they can overthrow democracy itself, it'll be done with a well-funded campaign that turns the people against Democracy, and may have a phony sponsored 'revolution' created, something like a stronger version of the Tea Party, with some sort of benefits the people can't resist if they give up democracy.

We're not close to that though; as I also said before, the wealthy are doing quite well with a corrupted democracy, which keeps the people cooperative.

I concur, especially seeing the absolute proof that the only two viable political parties in this country are owned by the same masters.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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The sheep are far too complacent to rebel against the corporate overlords who own America...
 

Steeplerot

Lifer
Mar 29, 2004
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Bring it, USA never backed off from a good fight.
 

Thump553

Lifer
Jun 2, 2000
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I consider myself the definition of a conservative. However I do realize that there are always going to be liberals and sometimes they are going to be in power. I'm fine with you guys making my drive to work 20 minutes longer because they had to build the highway around a swamp to save some type of gnat. I'm fine with having to jump through hoops to buy a gun and having to pay damn near a dollar per bullet. I'm fine with paying more and more taxes while watching my community go broke.

But now its looking more and more like my son's health care is in jeopardy. I work hard to pay for his care. I've spent almost $5k this year between insurance and out of pocket costs. We'll be finding out within the next 30 days how much our insurance costs are going to go up because of Obamacare. I already know that I'm going to have to jump through even more hoops to get his diabetes supplies because of it. I'm very scared to see how much the costs do go up. If his health care changes because of this, I'm going to get very worked up. I would guess that the bulk of kids that go to his diabetes doctor are on Medicare. If they have to change the way things work.....I don't even want to think about it.

Mess with me all you want. I'm a big boy. But now you libs are messing with kids' lives just to satisfy your power trips. The straws keep piling on and my back can only take so much.

It's an urban myth-pushed by the insurers-that rising health insurance costs are due to Obamacare. Most of it's provisions don't kick in until 2014. Also, if you have been paying for your health insurance already, then you know that it has been increasing 10-20% each year for at least the last five years-without any "Obamacare" effect to blame it on.

Also, nothing has changed to the stricter regarding gun laws since Obama took office. If your bullets are now more expensive that is purely an effect of capitalism, as hordes of right wingers have been stocking up on guns and ammo since the 2008 election.

Please provide more specific info about the highway work & protecting gnats, because that sounds like absolute total BS. In any event, the EPA laws and regs have not changed since Obama took office anyway so yet again your fury is misplaced.


It's very important for you to discover if your anger is properly directed or whether you are being hoodwinked. It is true that the middleclass has been slipping for years, especially in the last decade and even more so since the recession kicked in. But I see the tea party-funded by billionaires & irate as hell about a marginal 3% tax increase for the top 2% earners in the country-and frankly, I see a lot of people being very adroitly played-to their deteriment.

Back in the late 60's-when the country was tearing apart over Vietnam-there was talk of revolution-it was stupdi fantasies then and infinately moreso now. I doubt the USA will ever suffer a coup/revolution-a far more likely result is fading into insignificance, like Great Britain did after WWII.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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I consider myself the definition of a conservative. However I do realize that there are always going to be liberals and sometimes they are going to be in power. I'm fine with you guys making my drive to work 20 minutes longer because they had to build the highway around a swamp to save some type of gnat. I'm fine with having to jump through hoops to buy a gun and having to pay damn near a dollar per bullet. I'm fine with paying more and more taxes while watching my community go broke.

But now its looking more and more like my son's health care is in jeopardy. I work hard to pay for his care. I've spent almost $5k this year between insurance and out of pocket costs. We'll be finding out within the next 30 days how much our insurance costs are going to go up because of Obamacare. I already know that I'm going to have to jump through even more hoops to get his diabetes supplies because of it. I'm very scared to see how much the costs do go up. If his health care changes because of this, I'm going to get very worked up. I would guess that the bulk of kids that go to his diabetes doctor are on Medicare. If they have to change the way things work.....I don't even want to think about it.

Mess with me all you want. I'm a big boy. But now you libs are messing with kids' lives just to satisfy your power trips. The straws keep piling on and my back can only take so much.

Thank you for this post full of human feeling and honest complaint. I don't want what I believe in to harm you or your son. I don't know much but I've heard that many children had no health care, that they had lifetime limits on their insurance and could be denied because of prior conditions, and all of which is now gone. I hope that many fathers who had no hope at all for their sons now do.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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So this thread is really about the so called health care reform law? Can't blame liberals for that dog. The center right Dems sold out to the private health insurance industry and passed that crap. Liberals wanted a single payer system that would have had you and your son covered.