Honest talk about Muslim extremism

[MagickMan]

Less than 2% of Muslims are radical Islamist.

I'd need to see hard evidence in support of this, likely it's more like 15-20% (mostly located in their native ME countries).

Even if they could, they won't match the brutality shown by Europeans in the recent past.

How many terror attacks will it take to change minds, because daily attacks don't seem to be enough?

"Oh, we should let these threats slide because of the things that happened during the World Wars and the Crusades!" This bullshit is getting old, we aren't that society anymore.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I'd need to see hard evidence in support of this, likely it's more like 15-20% (mostly located in their native ME countries).

2% of Muslims worldwide would be 32 million. 15% to 20% would be 240 million and 320 million respectively. If several hundred thousand radical Islam extremists decided they wanted to strike they could inflict catastrophic damage in most western countries.

 

[cabri]

I'd need to see hard evidence in support of this, likely it's more like 15-20% (mostly located in their native ME countries).

Majority will not be radicals - they want to live their lives without conflict, make a life for/with their family

It is the outcasts or those that have just enough education to be dangerous (listen and obey without thinking) that become the radicals.

 

[moonbogg]

There is only one thing happening here. People are out of step with each other as we walk toward an inevitably better world for all. We're going to sync up, but not yet.

 

[DCal430]

Forget it

 

[BoberFett]

Majority will not be radicals - they want to live their lives without conflict, make a life for/with their family

It is the outcasts or those that have just enough education to be dangerous (listen and obey without thinking) that become the radicals.

Does making a life for their family include rape as punishment and honor killings?

Face it, Islam is still in the dark ages.

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/10/04/muslim-honor-killings-statistics/

BBC Poll: 1 in 10 British Muslims support killing a family member over “dishonor”.

1 in 10. And that's the "Westernized" Muslims. Imagine how high that number is in less developed countries

Civitas: 1 in 3 Muslims in the UK strongly agree that a wife should be forced to obey her husband’s bidding

Turkish Ministry of Education: 1 in 4 Turks Support Honor Killings

A survey of Muslim women in Paris suburbs found that three-quarters of them wear their masks out of fear – including fear of violence.

Anyone who says this isn't a problem with religious is just regurgitating PC bullshit, trying to appear sensitive to an "oppressed minority." Oppressed minority my ass. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. Hardly a minority. If they're oppressed, it's because they do it to themselves, maintaining their shitty religious culture.

 

[Caravaggio]

Dude I didn`t say crap!!

That' s perfectly true, but you have written a big Kenworth's load of it.

What's with this Star of David motif?
Are you Jewish? Is that why you are always poking fun at A rabs.?
Finding the wors in em, dissing 'em where you can.

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"We stole it" (Palestine)
(David Ben Gurion)

 

[cabri]

Does making a life for their family include rape as punishment and honor killings?

Face it, Islam is still in the dark ages.

there are those that follow the "teachings" absolutely and those that apply common sense.

Much depends on what one has been exposed to.

Those Muslims that I have been exposed to in America have come from Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Saudi and Iran.

Professional, businessmen and engineers.

While some of their beliefs are different in the way they view woman, none treated their wives to the point that I would condemn them for it.

This sample has enough education to potentially be different and not blindly accept what others have stated, or they have religious leaders that are not blinded by extremism.

I will state that I have not interacted with all classes of Muslims but I feel that the economic and educational level play a great influence in how they view Islam and others.

 

[BoberFett]

there are those that follow the "teachings" absolutely and those that apply common sense.

Much depends on what one has been exposed to.

Those Muslims that I have been exposed to in America have come from Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Saudi and Iran.

Professional, businessmen and engineers.

While some of their beliefs are different in the way they view woman, none treated their wives to the point that I would condemn them for it.

This sample has enough education to potentially be different and not blindly accept what others have stated, or they have religious leaders that are not blinded by extremism.

I will state that I have not interacted with all classes of Muslims but I feel that the economic and educational level play a great influence in how they view Islam and others.

Islam in the west has largely acclimated to western values, but that UK poll proves not entirely. The Muslims I know are great people, I love my friend Imran, but he and the others I know are nothing like the tens if not hundreds of millions of Muslims around the globe who have views that simply don't fit into modern society. There's no doubt of the effect of economic and educational disparities, but Islam as a religion is used to prevent eliminating those disparities just as Christianity did centuries ago. Ergo, that religion does not work in the modern world.

 

[Caravaggio]

...that happened during the World Wars and the Crusades!" This bullshit is getting old, we aren't that society anymore.

Oh, really?
Read "House to House", David Bellavia's superb story of his unit's battle for Falujah. His guys fought non stop to push the Islamists out of Falujah and Ramadi. He lost good men, at one time his unit was shelled by the U.S. Marine Corps, it was that chaotic. He went through hell. That was just a few years back. Essentially the same society we inhabit now.

The really sad statistic is that all that effort, all those air strikes, miclics, house to house fighting, all those dead people, ended with a U.S. and British withdrawal.
That territory is now in the hands of ISIS.
Was it worth it?
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"Those who refuse to learn from history will be forced to repeat it"
(Sarah Jessica Parker). Or someone...

 

[Victorian Gray]

I'd need to see hard evidence in support of this, likely it's more like 15-20% (mostly located in their native ME countries).



How many terror attacks will it take to change minds, because daily attacks don't seem to be enough?

"Oh, we should let these threats slide because of the things that happened during the World Wars and the Crusades!" This bullshit is getting old, we aren't that society anymore.

Roughly 20% of Muslims, in total, live in Arab countries. Indonesia alone has about 13% of the world's Muslims. Nigeria has a higher % of the world's Muslims than almost all Middle Eastern or N. African countries. I think that Egypt is about the same as Nigeria at around 5%.