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Have you ever used a firearm to prevent a crime?

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rudeguy said:
a CCW is not easier to get than a DL
Most cops need more firearms training. Why should they be exempt from your training scenario after they retire?
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It depends on the state, and in many states it is definitely easier. The initial training should be waived, but ongoing training should remain.

exdeath said:
No permit needed for conceal carry in AZ as of last year. Not only has violent crime not increased as a result, it has been sliding to an all time low since before the no permit conceal carry took effect.
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Over all crime has been going down for a while.
 
In Indiana it's easier to get your LTCH (License to Carry Handgun) than a drivers license and you can carry it anyway you want. Hell you can duct tape it to your forhead if you want.
 
PrinceofWands said:
In some states it is. Pay the money, hand over the application with prints, get the license 7 days later. No test, no classes, and almost no exceptions. Granted, other states are more difficult, but not all.
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Got mine in 5 min:
Filled out paperwork (similar to that for a firearm purchase)
Paid fee
Instant background check
Had picture taken
Printed on site
Walked out with LTC
 
exdeath said:
No permit needed for conceal carry in AZ as of last year. Not only has violent crime not increased as a result, it has been sliding to an all time low since before the no permit conceal carry took effect.
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yes, I am completely certain that in this this case, and in this case only in the history of statistical measurement, that correlation absolutely = causation.
 
x-alki said:
Come on down and I'll show you person. 😀

Can you OC in Michigan?
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its specifically wrote into our state constitution that we can. However if you do in a public place, you are sure to get a disturbing the peace charge.

Its kind of messed up like that.
 
Possessed Freak said:
Got mine in 5 min:
Filled out paperwork (similar to that for a firearm purchase)
Paid fee
Instant background check
Had picture taken
Printed on site
Walked out with LTC
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I remember in PA. it took a couple weeks to get it and it was only $12.50 for cc and 6 dollars for a sportsmans permit
 
rudeguy said:
a CCW is not easier to get than a DL
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It is in Alaska. Shit, you have to take a test to get a DL in Alaska. You don't have to do anything to CC. If you're legal to own a firearm you can CC it. Just no bars, no schools and if you come into contact with a police officer the first words out of your mouth had better be "I have a firearm on me." Otherwise it's game on.
 
rudeguy said:
its specifically wrote into our state constitution that we can. However if you do in a public place, you are sure to get a disturbing the peace charge.

Its kind of messed up like that.
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That is a bit messed up. Here, you can occasionally get hasled by some cops or get asked to leave a place of bussiness. I know of several people who get there panties in a knot when asked to cover the weapon, put it in their car or leave a restaurant when open carrying. I never understood why. It is private property.
 
Whoozyerdaddy said:
It is in Alaska. Shit, you have to take a test to get a DL in Alaska. You don't have to do anything to CC. If you're legal to own a firearm you can CC it. Just no bars, no schools and if you come into contact with a police officer the first words out of your mouth had better be "I have a firearm on me." Otherwise it's game on.
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does that mean "rape?"

:hmm:
 
Whoozyerdaddy said:
It is in Alaska. Shit, you have to take a test to get a DL in Alaska. You don't have to do anything to CC. If you're legal to own a firearm you can CC it. Just no bars, no schools and if you come into contact with a police officer the first words out of your mouth had better be "I have a firearm on me." Otherwise it's game on.
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Not disagreeing or arguing, but I never ever want to utter the phrase "I have a gun" to a Law Enforcement Officer.

And I never have. On the occasions I've been stopped, I just hand over my card along with my driver's licence/registration/insurance. Whether I have anything in the car or not. Yes, I do understand that the computer in the patrol car will throw a flag when he runs my licence plate; and that the Officer "knows" before (s)he approaches my car.

Telling a cop you have a gun could be misinterpreted, and upsetting a LEO is stressful for everyone.

Simply handing over your card is simple, conveys exactly what you need, and isn't likely to be misunderstood. From there, politely follow his/her instructions.

I know I don't have to, unless asked. Only once have I been questioned on it, though. O: "You didn't have to hand me that, Sir.." Me: "I know, Officer. But you probably drew down on the last guy who told you 'I have a gun', and I'd rather not..."
 
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Scotteq said:
Not disagreeing or arguing, but I never ever want to utter the phrase "I have a gun" to a Law Enforcement Officer.

And I never have. On the occasions I've been stopped, I just hand over my card along with my driver's licence/registration/insurance. Whether I have anything in the car or not. Yes, I do understand that the computer in the patrol car will throw a flag when he runs my licence plate; and that the Officer "knows" before (s)he approaches my car.

Telling a cop you have a gun could be misinterpreted, and upsetting a LEO is stressful for everyone.

Simply handing over your card is simple, conveys exactly what you need, and isn't likely to be misunderstood. From there, politely follow his/her instructions.

I know I don't have to, unless asked. Only once have I been questioned on it, though. O: "You didn't have to hand me that, Sir.." Me: "I know, Officer. But you probably drew down on the last guy who told you 'I have a gun', and I'd rather not..."
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In MI along with other states, you have to present your CCW license, state ID, and inform the officer that you are armed. Not doing so gets your a civil infraction and the loss of your CCW permit.
 
rudeguy said:
In MI along with other states, you have to present your CCW license, state ID, and inform the officer that you are armed. Not doing so gets your a civil infraction and the loss of your CCW permit.
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I humbly bow to your local knowledge. 🙂


Mostly I wanted to make the point it's better just to hand over the ID first rather than actually say those words to a police officer. At least, not until *after* we've established it's reasonable for the thing to be there at all.
 
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Scotteq said:
I humbly bow to your local knowledge. 🙂


Mostly I wanted to make the point it's better just to hand over the ID first rather than actually say those words to a police officer.
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and I wanted to make the point that many states make it a crime not to say those words.
 
JulesMaximus said:
I have serious doubts about that number. You know what they say about statistics...
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That's not entirely true...about the FBI claiming 2,000,000 I mean. The NCVS claimed just over 100,000, to which the DoJ responded with an analysis that showed it was far under-reporting, and upped the likely number to around 800,000 (if memory serves). Out of the 15-20 major surveys and studies all place it between 80,000 and 2,500,000. When you read the analysis and rebuttals of those studies they all make some good points, for both sides, so it seems likely the real number is somewhere between 300,000 and 800,000 (depending on what you set as a threshold). Even Brady and other anti-gunners acknowledge numbers in the low end of this range. Looking at all the stories about such things, and knowing that there are many more unreported, reinforces those numbers.
 
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rudeguy said:
In MI along with other states, you have to present your CCW license, state ID, and inform the officer that you are armed. Not doing so gets your a civil infraction and the loss of your CCW permit.
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I was surprised how many disclosure states there were. That, in my opinion, is one of the most important differences between the states to keep in mind when you carry in several. Here in WA there's no disclosure, so I have to make a conscious effort when I'm in a state with different rules.
 
rudeguy said:
In MI along with other states, you have to present your CCW license, state ID, and inform the officer that you are armed. Not doing so gets your a civil infraction and the loss of your CCW permit.
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In Indiana you dont have to tell them, even if they ask. I dont think it'd turn out to good for you if they asked, you said no and they saw a weapon.
 
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