FrustratedUser
Lifer
Agreed, th3 previous gen Accord was stylish. The new one is... well..... has Bangle been involved?
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Honda to Revamp Accord to Reverse U.S. Car Sales Drop
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Agreed, th3 previous gen Accord was stylish. The new one is... well..... has Bangle been involved?
Gamingphreek
Lifer
I dunno. That massive V6 VTECH engine is pretty nice, IIRC 250HP to the wheels. Nothing out there in the Hondas class that can really compete, but this is coming from a guy who thinks they dont look that bad.
-Kevin
-Kevin
Gamingphreek
Lifer
Did i say something wrong. Im not a car guru.
It may be 250Hp at the engine. I cannot remember off the top of my head. However, our 2003 EX-V6 is pretty damn fast, the Camry has nothing on it.
-Kevin
Edit: The Volvo also costs significantly more than the Honda, same goes for the Acuras and BMW's.
Gamingphreek
Lifer
Yeah i guess that is it lol 😱
Honda is losing the arms race and the beauty contest too. I like their VTEC engines. They need to boost HP and Torque to compete with Nissan and even Hyundai.
The CAMRY is a solid and umm...boring car (I own a Camry) but its not offensive, good value.
I hope they do a good job.. I need to replace me aging 97 Camry.
The CAMRY is a solid and umm...boring car (I own a Camry) but its not offensive, good value.
I hope they do a good job.. I need to replace me aging 97 Camry.
There are more baby boomers (who buy Toyota) than yuppies (who buy Honda) these days.
Anyway, I love Honda - I firmly believe they are the best of the Japanese automakers (although Nissan is definitely back on track), but they refuse to acknowledge a few things from the get go.
Their new Ridgeline pickup/SUV/Avalanche ripoff has a 6 cyl as its beefiest option. No, Honda. Toyota and Nissan knew the V8 was not optional. With a 6 cylinder, your truck is dead on arrival.
The Accord is not in trouble - what Honda needs right now is stronger diversity. They need a strong competitor in the truck and SUV markets to take on the likes of the Tundra, Sequoia, Titan, and Armada. Nissan and Toyota are matching each other blow for blow, and they are the two Jap car companies that are fast growing in the US market today. Honda had better catch up if they want to avoid GM syndrome.
Well, that's really the thing - here in America, people don't care too much about anything besides more power. Nissan and Toyota figured this out. Honda is still sort of in denial. They continue to think efficient engines are best - nah not really. Here, we want bigass blocks with mo' power, because the faster your car, the bigger your dick.
Nebor
Lifer
They had a fully loaded Accord V6 sitting next to my '03 Acura TL-Stype that had a HIGHER sticker price than the Acura. I said, "I'll take the Honda with the A on it." That sticker read $29.9k for the Honda.
An S40 T5 FWD model could be had for about $31k. And it would absolutely obliterate an Accord V6. Hell, my 1998 Volvo S70 T5 will humiliate them. It's also a good bit faster than my Acura.
Gamingphreek
Lifer
Well we got our Accord '03 EX-V6 fully loaded, only exception being without the navigation system, and IIRC it cost ~23,000. Good luck finding a new Volvo or Acura of comparable specs any where near that price.
-Kevin
-Kevin
GhandiInstinct
Senior member
Compared to others in it's class the Accord has been lagging in the engine department, it offers the same I-vtec in 3 other car models.
6 more hp won't do it justice.
And they've been overpricing it like hell, especially the options, they cost significantly more than other makers.
6 more hp won't do it justice.
And they've been overpricing it like hell, especially the options, they cost significantly more than other makers.
RagingBITCH
Lifer
Lagging in the engine dept? The Altima makes 10 more hp. The 3.3 V6 in the Camry makes 225. The Galant makes 230hp. The J30 is a solid engine. The only other variant is available in the TL which makes 270. I don't know what other 3rd car you're talking about.
Overpriced? Yea, if you buy sticker.
GhandiInstinct
Senior member
I speak of the 4 cylinder variants which are:
Accord: 160/161
Camry:160/163
Altima:175/180
Well I guess Accord isn't that behind it's just Altima is way ahead hehe, as for 6 cylinder variants, Accord is using a SOHC valve configuration, which is considered by many performance hindering.
MasterAndCommander
Diamond Member
Does the 178,890 include what goes to the car rental fleets? If so...booooo!
Me thinks the Mazda6 is the best looking sedan out there in that price range.
RagingBITCH
Lifer
He clearly said 250hp to the wheels.
A) That Accord is the Hybrid V6, first off, not the regular one which makes 240.
B) 250 flywheel assuming 15% DT loss is ~212hp to the wheels.
RagingBITCH
Lifer
In terms of the 4 cylinder, it's hardly a dog. The Altima only had 175 in the 05 year. I has more midrange torque around highway speeds but otherwise power is compareable, even with a 15/20 hp/tq advantage, from the way I drove the rental.
http://automobiles.honda.com/models/tri...cord+Sedan&bhcp=1&BrowserDetected=True
The 2006 model has 166hp - SAE. If we were going by the old numbers, that's equivalent to about 175, meaning they're on the same level. (The I4 is DOHC) Also - the K24 is only in one other car - the TSX, which has different heads/cams I believe, and different VTEC timing. The lower K series engine (K20) is in the RSX Type-S and the new Civic.
In terms of performance - perhaps a DOHC configuration might suit it better. I'd rather they drop in the 3.5 from the Pilot/Odyssey which is also SOHC, although the J30 is a newer engine.
GhandiInstinct
Senior member
Interesting that for 4hp more the v6 2006 is worth 2 grand more...
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