My BMW is really exciting. Over the winter I don't know what to expect. It could be diesel fumes in the cabin or electrical gremlins or engine failure or iDrive acting up. What fun it is to own a BMW. I'll take a boring Honda any day...
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Yeah sounds like it would be a better fit for you. I think a civic coupe fits your personality perfectly.
tweakmonkey
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I shouldn't have said "most". Okay, minivans and SUVs aren't exciting to me, whether it's a Cayenne Turbo or an X5M. I mean the cars, even the little ones, were great in the past. CRX, Prelude Si, Civic Si, Integra Type R... these are all very fun cars and sporty/exciting for the era they were sold. This is all opinion of course, but anyone telling me an S2000 isn't exciting is absurd, whatever the numbers say, something about that car at 7000 RPMs WOT is actually kind of terrifying, beyond exciting.
And as I said before, Honda lost their way. I'm not interested in any of their current cars and don't even keep track of them. That's why I am talking about their 1991 NSX and 2000 cars and this topic was about that. They had it locked up in the 80s when they were whipping everyone's ass in F1, and the 90s / early 2000s were great for Honda.
Now it's all fat and boring stuff, like every other manufacturer.
My current garage:
2001 MR2 spyder (track car, sitting on R888s)
2001 S2000 (stock except ZII tires)
2001 Honda Insight (see, I like Hondas
)
Guessing you've never driven an Insight, yes it's a hybrid but it's aluminum (1850 lbs) and flies around corners just like a CRX. Mine is a 5-speed. It's 100x more fun than a Prius, again... I love exciting cars and this is one of them. You can't find many sub-2000 lb cars that you can drive every day and I prefer lightweight above almost any other performance statistic.
I've had everything from minivans to Porsches and muscle cars, turbo DSMs and economy cars and I buy/sell cars every year, usually keeping 3-4 for projects. I sold my last Porsche because I drive them for free all the time anyway. I test drive and modify cars for a living, 50 hrs a week I've put 10,000 miles on 997 GT3 and Turbo Porsches each year, including a 3000 mile drive in a new GT3RS from Chicago to CA that our shop owns.
I can't drive every car, but have driven a huge variety, especially of performance cars and in extreme circumstances. Every day I test drive modified 991s, Cayman R, Turbos / GT2 / GT2RS. Every day I also drive Hondas. My co-workers and I trade around cars constantly so I've put 1000 miles on a 1991 NSX (and think it's as good as any modern Porsche), VW GTI etc. And I still think Hondas have great passion/excitement, even an old 1991 Prelude is a lot of fun with a manual transmission.
Not their new stuff. Not minivans.
I don't think "ring" times say a thing about fun factor or excitement, which is what I thought you were attacking Honda for here. If ring times told all, the GTR would be the most exciting (yawn automatic everything) and the GTI would be as good as an NSX for enthusiasts. That's why my next car will be an NSX... good luck finding a reliable <3000 lb car that looks as nice as an NSX with mid-engine and a manual transmission.
I think most of your fellow Z4 owners would agree that S2000s are more exciting than the Z4. But it's not as practical as a Z4. It has less torque. It's not as high status. But it is an exciting car, lighter and more go-karty with more aggressive engine parameters and gearing. It's stiff and sporty as any car you'd want, and revs high and goes like hell once you're revving it up with a giant tach in front of you and a loud engine. That's what makes a car exciting to me, not power seats and leather dashboards etc.
And as I said before, Honda lost their way. I'm not interested in any of their current cars and don't even keep track of them. That's why I am talking about their 1991 NSX and 2000 cars and this topic was about that. They had it locked up in the 80s when they were whipping everyone's ass in F1, and the 90s / early 2000s were great for Honda.
Now it's all fat and boring stuff, like every other manufacturer.
My current garage:
2001 MR2 spyder (track car, sitting on R888s)
2001 S2000 (stock except ZII tires)
2001 Honda Insight (see, I like Hondas
)Guessing you've never driven an Insight, yes it's a hybrid but it's aluminum (1850 lbs) and flies around corners just like a CRX. Mine is a 5-speed. It's 100x more fun than a Prius, again... I love exciting cars and this is one of them. You can't find many sub-2000 lb cars that you can drive every day and I prefer lightweight above almost any other performance statistic.
I've had everything from minivans to Porsches and muscle cars, turbo DSMs and economy cars and I buy/sell cars every year, usually keeping 3-4 for projects. I sold my last Porsche because I drive them for free all the time anyway. I test drive and modify cars for a living, 50 hrs a week I've put 10,000 miles on 997 GT3 and Turbo Porsches each year, including a 3000 mile drive in a new GT3RS from Chicago to CA that our shop owns.
I can't drive every car, but have driven a huge variety, especially of performance cars and in extreme circumstances. Every day I test drive modified 991s, Cayman R, Turbos / GT2 / GT2RS. Every day I also drive Hondas. My co-workers and I trade around cars constantly so I've put 1000 miles on a 1991 NSX (and think it's as good as any modern Porsche), VW GTI etc. And I still think Hondas have great passion/excitement, even an old 1991 Prelude is a lot of fun with a manual transmission.
Not their new stuff. Not minivans.
I don't think "ring" times say a thing about fun factor or excitement, which is what I thought you were attacking Honda for here. If ring times told all, the GTR would be the most exciting (yawn automatic everything) and the GTI would be as good as an NSX for enthusiasts. That's why my next car will be an NSX... good luck finding a reliable <3000 lb car that looks as nice as an NSX with mid-engine and a manual transmission.
I think most of your fellow Z4 owners would agree that S2000s are more exciting than the Z4. But it's not as practical as a Z4. It has less torque. It's not as high status. But it is an exciting car, lighter and more go-karty with more aggressive engine parameters and gearing. It's stiff and sporty as any car you'd want, and revs high and goes like hell once you're revving it up with a giant tach in front of you and a loud engine. That's what makes a car exciting to me, not power seats and leather dashboards etc.
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No way is an s2000 as "exciting" as a z4m. Go read some of the threads on the s2000 and you will see every s2000 owner who has driven both agrees.
.....And I didn't say the s2000 wasn't exciting. I said you have to drive it balls to the wall to get any excitement. Less than 6k rpm and it's an underpowered snoozefest.
You might want to reread my posts. I am not saying an NSX and s2000 are boring cars. I am saying those are the only two exciting cars honda has made in the last 20 years.
.....And I didn't say the s2000 wasn't exciting. I said you have to drive it balls to the wall to get any excitement. Less than 6k rpm and it's an underpowered snoozefest.
You might want to reread my posts. I am not saying an NSX and s2000 are boring cars. I am saying those are the only two exciting cars honda has made in the last 20 years.
tweakmonkey
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Really sorry - I thought you had said your car was a Z4 *standard not an M when you first posted. And yes the S2000 is a snooze fest below 6000 RPMs, but if you're out to have fun you'll rarely see <6
With the original Z4 (in cab form), I was thinking of that comparison where Top Gear took out the 3 roadsters: S2k, Boxster and Z4... I jumped the gun, apologies.
With the original Z4 (in cab form), I was thinking of that comparison where Top Gear took out the 3 roadsters: S2k, Boxster and Z4... I jumped the gun, apologies.
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a car outside its powerband is a snoozefest? brekaing news! you heard it first!
I am no huge honda fan, but I have autox'd the hell out of civics and crx's and they can be quite exciting
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a car outside its powerband is a snoozefest? brekaing news! you heard it first!
I am no huge honda fan, but I have autox'd the hell out of civics and crx's and they can be quite exciting
I did have a lot of fun with my CRX.
Nah, I'm heading back to the MDX. You can keep keep your little Z4 and whatever issues you have...
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