Honda says no to NASCAR.

[imported_Baloo]

Look for other auto companies that have been supporting NASCAR for years to begin pulling out soon, including the big three, Chrysler, Ford and GM. NASCAR is dumbing down the cars, all cars will be nearly identical next year. There won't be any way for Auto companies to showcase there products.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
That's pretty much another way of saying "we could not hack it in that arena, we'd rather not get involved there and stay with what we know best".

You're crazy if you think Honda couldn't compete in Nascar. There is a saying whatever Honda enters, Honda wins. They might not dominate in the beginning but given number of years Honda would dominate just like they've done in pretty much everything they've entered.

As far as major auto racing, the only place I can think of that Honda has even tried to compete with their own car is F1, and they've had dismal results there, going all the way back to 1964.

F1 ?
Lemans ?
Indycar/CART ?
WRC ?
NASCAR ?

LOL. You're missing the F1 engine that used to win everything back in the late 80's.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
That's pretty much another way of saying "we could not hack it in that arena, we'd rather not get involved there and stay with what we know best".

You're crazy if you think Honda couldn't compete in Nascar. There is a saying whatever Honda enters, Honda wins. They might not dominate in the beginning but given number of years Honda would dominate just like they've done in pretty much everything they've entered.

As far as major auto racing, the only place I can think of that Honda has even tried to compete with their own car is F1, and they've had dismal results there, going all the way back to 1964.

F1 ?
Lemans ?
Indycar/CART ?
WRC ?
NASCAR ?

Well technically they've only raced with their own car from 1964-1967, 3 years after they made their first road car, and this year. They've had less than satisfactory results in F1 since they re-entered in 2000, but other than Ferrari and Renault, who hasn't? Even BMW, Toyota and Mercedes can't do squat against Renault last year and this year.

As an engine supplier, you could say they've been largely successful in F1 and CART/IRL. They won the GT2 class at LeMans in 1995, but their GT1 entry, a turbocharged NSX, was not reliable enough. The McLaren F1 practically wiped the floor with everybody in the GT1 class that year.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
That's pretty much another way of saying "we could not hack it in that arena, we'd rather not get involved there and stay with what we know best".

You're crazy if you think Honda couldn't compete in Nascar. There is a saying whatever Honda enters, Honda wins. They might not dominate in the beginning but given number of years Honda would dominate just like they've done in pretty much everything they've entered.

As far as major auto racing, the only place I can think of that Honda has even tried to compete with their own car is F1, and they've had dismal results there, going all the way back to 1964.

F1 ?
Lemans ?
Indycar/CART ?
WRC ?
NASCAR ?

LOL. You're missing the F1 engine that used to win everything back in the late 80's.

As I said, their own car, not just engines. Honda didn't win those races, McClaren and Williams did.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
That's pretty much another way of saying "we could not hack it in that arena, we'd rather not get involved there and stay with what we know best".

You're crazy if you think Honda couldn't compete in Nascar. There is a saying whatever Honda enters, Honda wins. They might not dominate in the beginning but given number of years Honda would dominate just like they've done in pretty much everything they've entered.

As far as major auto racing, the only place I can think of that Honda has even tried to compete with their own car is F1, and they've had dismal results there, going all the way back to 1964.

F1 ?
Lemans ?
Indycar/CART ?
WRC ?
NASCAR ?

LOL. You're missing the F1 engine that used to win everything back in the late 80's.

As I said, their own car, not just engines. Honda didn't win those races, McClaren and Williams did.

Ummm you can't divide it like that and you know it.
Besides that, no engine manufacturer in NASCAR makes chassis either.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
That's pretty much another way of saying "we could not hack it in that arena, we'd rather not get involved there and stay with what we know best".

You're crazy if you think Honda couldn't compete in Nascar. There is a saying whatever Honda enters, Honda wins. They might not dominate in the beginning but given number of years Honda would dominate just like they've done in pretty much everything they've entered.

As far as major auto racing, the only place I can think of that Honda has even tried to compete with their own car is F1, and they've had dismal results there, going all the way back to 1964.

F1 ?
Lemans ?
Indycar/CART ?
WRC ?
NASCAR ?

LOL. You're missing the F1 engine that used to win everything back in the late 80's.

As I said, their own car, not just engines. Honda didn't win those races, McClaren and Williams did.

You make it sound like they had nothing to do with those wins.

 

[theeedude]

I thought all NASCAR cars are identical aside from the skins. NASCAR doesn't really do anything for the car manufacturers involved, in terms of technology. It's not like they try out their latest and greatest technology in NASCAR before it makes it to mainstream vehicles.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: senseamp
I thought all NASCAR cars are identical aside from the skins. NASCAR doesn't really do anything for the car manufacturers involved, in terms of technology. It's not like they try out their latest and greatest technology in NASCAR before it makes it to mainstream vehicles.

They research pushrod and carb tech that you later see in parts catalogs for classic cars. 😀 LOL

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
That's pretty much another way of saying "we could not hack it in that arena, we'd rather not get involved there and stay with what we know best".

You're crazy if you think Honda couldn't compete in Nascar. There is a saying whatever Honda enters, Honda wins. They might not dominate in the beginning but given number of years Honda would dominate just like they've done in pretty much everything they've entered.

As far as major auto racing, the only place I can think of that Honda has even tried to compete with their own car is F1, and they've had dismal results there, going all the way back to 1964.

F1 ?
Lemans ?
Indycar/CART ?
WRC ?
NASCAR ?

LOL. You're missing the F1 engine that used to win everything back in the late 80's.

As I said, their own car, not just engines. Honda didn't win those races, McClaren and Williams did.

Ummm you can't divide it like that and you know it.
Besides that, no engine manufacturer in NASCAR makes chassis either.

Sofar toyota is the only company that makes their own engines and chassis for their teams and thats only in the truck series. The Ford, Dodge, and Chevy teams build their own engines and chassis or buy them off one of the other teams.

 

[Sluggo]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Rage187

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
That's pretty much another way of saying "we could not hack it in that arena, we'd rather not get involved there and stay with what we know best".

that about sums it up

Or, you know, maybe it's the fact that the amount of resources that they would have to tie up to compete in NASCAR just don't net out to a positive ROI.

Historically Honda's involvement in racing has been to use it as a test bed for new technology. NASCAR is far too highly regulated for Honda to use it as a technological test bed. Hell, NASCARs still use carburetors.

This is not to say that I don't enjoy NASCAR. No-one drove like Dale and no-one drives like Dale Jr., but I find it very hard to imagine that Honda could come out ahead by competing in NASCAR.

ZV

Exactly, there is no advantage for Honda or any foreign manufacturer to compete in NASCAR. It is so tightly regulated that technology is almost a moot point in NASCAR, the winning combination is suspension set-up and not having your car explode halfway through the race.

NASCAR, as is most racing, is wholly dependent on sponsorship. A foreign manufacturer would have a very limited fanbase, therefore little encouragement for sponsorship. The driver and team would be shunned by the fans and Honda would have to sink so much money into a no win venture that in the long run staying out is a much more inviting proposition.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
That's pretty much another way of saying "we could not hack it in that arena, we'd rather not get involved there and stay with what we know best".

You're crazy if you think Honda couldn't compete in Nascar. There is a saying whatever Honda enters, Honda wins. They might not dominate in the beginning but given number of years Honda would dominate just like they've done in pretty much everything they've entered.

As far as major auto racing, the only place I can think of that Honda has even tried to compete with their own car is F1, and they've had dismal results there, going all the way back to 1964.

F1 ?
Lemans ?
Indycar/CART ?
WRC ?
NASCAR ?

LOL. You're missing the F1 engine that used to win everything back in the late 80's.

As I said, their own car, not just engines. Honda didn't win those races, McClaren and Williams did.

Ummm you can't divide it like that and you know it.
Besides that, no engine manufacturer in NASCAR makes chassis either.

What do you mean I can't divide it like that ? The official results of F1 are based on car manufacturer, not engine builder.

Honda wasn't that significant in those F1 wins, the same engine packages moved on to Jordan and failed miserably.

And I don't know what your point about NASCAR is ? I am talking about cars, not chassis, and not engines. The whole car. Dodge, GM, ford, and Toyota all field cars in NASCAR.


My point is that it's a ridiculous claim to say Honda "dominates" auto racing, when they truth is they mostly don't compete, and the small amount of the time they have competed, they mostly haven't even been competitive, let alone dominate.

And in motorcycle racing, they haven't dominated any more than Yamaha and Suzuki have. They had certain eras when they did, but overall they aren't "dominant."

 

[PokerGuy]

Honda does not, and has never, "dominated" anything in racing. They produce great quality engines of all sorts, but when I think "honda", I don't think super racing vehicle, I think "excellent quality and long term value/reliability". That is not what does well in NASCAR. Honda is smart to stay out of it, they simply could not compete in NASCAR at this point.

 

[bctbct]

For those who dont know

Chevy makes the 350

Honda makes the lawn mower/generator

 

[ruffilb]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
That's pretty much another way of saying "we could not hack it in that arena, we'd rather not get involved there and stay with what we know best".

i'm pretty sure they can more than "hack it" in there... but they would have nothing to gain from it. plus having honda and toyota in NASCAR would probably cause a mass walkout by NASCAR fans.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: bctbct
For those who dont know

Chevy makes the 350

Honda makes the lawn mower/generator

Honda rules

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bctbct
For those who dont know

Chevy makes the 350

Honda makes the lawn mower/generator

Honda rules

FTW I use a power washer about 2X a year and it fires after 1 pull everytime. 😎

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
That's pretty much another way of saying "we could not hack it in that arena, we'd rather not get involved there and stay with what we know best".

You're crazy if you think Honda couldn't compete in Nascar. There is a saying whatever Honda enters, Honda wins. They might not dominate in the beginning but given number of years Honda would dominate just like they've done in pretty much everything they've entered.

As far as major auto racing, the only place I can think of that Honda has even tried to compete with their own car is F1, and they've had dismal results there, going all the way back to 1964.

F1 ?
Lemans ?
Indycar/CART ?
WRC ?
NASCAR ?

LOL. You're missing the F1 engine that used to win everything back in the late 80's.

As I said, their own car, not just engines. Honda didn't win those races, McClaren and Williams did.

Ummm you can't divide it like that and you know it.
Besides that, no engine manufacturer in NASCAR makes chassis either.

What do you mean I can't divide it like that ? The official results of F1 are based on car manufacturer, not engine builder.

Honda wasn't that significant in those F1 wins, the same engine packages moved on to Jordan and failed miserably.

And I don't know what your point about NASCAR is ? I am talking about cars, not chassis, and not engines. The whole car. Dodge, GM, ford, and Toyota all field cars in NASCAR.


My point is that it's a ridiculous claim to say Honda "dominates" auto racing, when they truth is they mostly don't compete, and the small amount of the time they have competed, they mostly haven't even been competitive, let alone dominate.

And in motorcycle racing, they haven't dominated any more than Yamaha and Suzuki have. They had certain eras when they did, but overall they aren't "dominant."

You just got everything wrong. It was and is a considerable contribution to make the engines. Yes it moved on to Jordan but the program was taken over by Mugen with less resources.

Just for your info the chassie is the car.... the manufactirers only put the name on the team because the engines are based on the manufacturers engine parts to some extent.

 

[JonTheBaller]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bctbct
For those who dont know

Chevy makes the 350

Honda makes the lawn mower/generator

Honda rules

Both make cars that you can't afford :laugh:

 

[Horus]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
That's pretty much another way of saying "we could not hack it in that arena, we'd rather not get involved there and stay with what we know best".

You're crazy if you think Honda couldn't compete in Nascar. There is a saying whatever Honda enters, Honda wins. They might not dominate in the beginning but given number of years Honda would dominate just like they've done in pretty much everything they've entered.

Like Mazda, when they entered LeMans a few years back with the RX-7?

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: johnnytightlips

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bctbct
For those who dont know

Chevy makes the 350

Honda makes the lawn mower/generator

Honda rules

Both make cars that you can't afford :laugh:

While I may not have Corvette savings, I do have Ridgeline savings. I accumulated it drivng GM vehicles making sensible purchases based on value. And my mowers have Briggs, just adds to the kitty without falling for the hype. 😀

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: Tom


What do you mean I can't divide it like that ? The official results of F1 are based on car manufacturer, not engine builder.

The constructors championship lists the chassis manufacturer AND the engine manufacturer.

Honda wasn't that significant in those F1 wins, the same engine packages moved on to Jordan and failed miserably.

Right. That's why when they left Williams for McLaren in 1988, Williams still absolutely dominated the season like they did the previous 2 seasons. :roll: And If you think those Mugen engines that Jordan had exactly the same factory support well gladly pass me some of that stuff you're smoking. Why is it when the chassis wins you would think the engine package as insignificant, but when a chassis doesn't win, as in the case of Jordan, you're willing to include the engine with it?

And I don't know what your point about NASCAR is ? I am talking about cars, not chassis, and not engines. The whole car. Dodge, GM, ford, and Toyota all field cars in NASCAR.

Yeah because the hood, roof, and decklid (which are the only ones coming from Dodge, GM, and Ford) make the whole car. :roll:

My point is that it's a ridiculous claim to say Honda "dominates" auto racing, when they truth is they mostly don't compete, and the small amount of the time they have competed, they mostly haven't even been competitive, let alone dominate.

Why? Because entering engines alone doesn't mean they're competing? What kind of logic is that?

And in motorcycle racing, they haven't dominated any more than Yamaha and Suzuki have. They had certain eras when they did, but overall they aren't "dominant."

Suzuki? Wow. I give up.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
That's pretty much another way of saying "we could not hack it in that arena, we'd rather not get involved there and stay with what we know best".

Who do you think supplies just about all IRL motors? Honda has been pretty successful in racing. It's a business decision... let's leave it at that. Rednecks don't like Honda.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
That's pretty much another way of saying "we could not hack it in that arena, we'd rather not get involved there and stay with what we know best".

Who do you think supplies just about all IRL motors? Honda has been pretty successful in racing. It's a business decision... let's leave it at that. Rednecks don't like Honda.

If Dale Jr or Smoke Stewart drone one they would. It's all about winning. Looking forward to seeing Micheal Waltrip and Brian Vickers drive the Toyota Camry in NASCAR next year. If they build a good team they should be competitive as NASCAR is all about teamwork.

 

[astrosfan90]

Not to derail the conversation, but this thread reminded me of something I heard about over the weekend. Apparently some group is suing NASCAR because it's pissed that NASCAR decided not to take their racetrack in as part of the circuit, so they're trying to force their way in through a bigshot lawyer. Not a great precedent to set, I would think--hope NASCAR fights back and wins.

More information here.

 

[homestarmy]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
That's pretty much another way of saying "we could not hack it in that arena, we'd rather not get involved there and stay with what we know best".

You're crazy if you think Honda couldn't compete in Nascar. There is a saying whatever Honda enters, Honda wins. They might not dominate in the beginning but given number of years Honda would dominate just like they've done in pretty much everything they've entered.

Yep, until they change the rules to make it "fair" for everyone else. Such as when the Realtime Integra dominated their domain for years until the rules were changed to add weight to their car.