Honda S2000 vs Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky

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What kind of car should my dad get?

  • Pontiac Solstice GXP

  • Saturn Sky Redline

  • Honda S2000

  • Mazda Miata


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Raduque

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370z? G37? Not sure why the sky/solstice are even in the same conversation as the S2K.

Unfortunately, neither of the first two listed satisfy all of my dad's criteria: small, use less gas than a truck, fun to drive roadster*. The Sky/Solstice, S2K, Miata and Z4 all do. Z4 was vetoed by my mother and S2K was eliminated due to having to rev way to high.

Poll please!
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*This is key. Roadsters are naturally drop-tops, not just a 2 seater car w/a convertible option.
 
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MJinZ

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Unfortunately, neither of the first two listed satisfy all of my dad's criteria: small, use less gas than a truck, fun to drive roadster*. The Sky/Solstice, S2K, Miata and Z4 all do. Z4 was vetoed by my mother and S2K was eliminated due to having to rev way to high.


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*This is key. Roadsters are naturally drop-tops, not just a 2 seater car w/a convertible option.

Re: Revving high-

This isn't a big deal since all of these cars will have to be 3500+ to have measurable GO factor.

Revving doesn't take long and it allows you to relish low gears.

Low end torque is for the big engines, muscle cars, or work trucks.
 

eliteorange

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all those cars you mentioned gets low 20's MPG on premium, g35/37/370/350 included.
you do not need to rev high for street driving. its a roadsters you're suppose to rev it more!




Unfortunately, neither of the first two listed satisfy all of my dad's criteria: small, use less gas than a truck, fun to drive roadster*. The Sky/Solstice, S2K, Miata and Z4 all do. Z4 was vetoed by my mother and S2K was eliminated due to having to rev way to high.


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*This is key. Roadsters are naturally drop-tops, not just a 2 seater car w/a convertible option.
 

overst33r

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I have a feeling if your dad went and drove the four in the poll, his decision would be MUCH easier.
 

Raduque

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I have a feeling if your dad went and drove the four in the poll, his decision would be MUCH easier.

I quite agree. He's already driven a Sky and liked it a lot, now I just need to get him into an S2K and a Miata.

Eliteorange, the thing is though, Nissan's G/Z cars are much bigger than what he wants. They're also not roadsters, they're coupes with a convertible option.
 

EightySix Four

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Re: Revving high-

This isn't a big deal since all of these cars will have to be 3500+ to have measurable GO factor.

Revving doesn't take long and it allows you to relish low gears.

Low end torque is for the big engines, muscle cars, or work trucks.

Did you even look at the dyno chart I posted of the Sky RL? Tell me that is not low end torque...
 

thomsbrain

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Does your dad want to look cool, or does he want to have fun driving a car? If the answer is the latter, the S2000 is only car to buy, short of a Lotus Elise.
 

hans007

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370z? G37? Not sure why the sky/solstice are even in the same conversation as the S2K.

i don tthink the g37 / 370z are anywhere near the fun level of the S2000 or solstice etc.

also most g37s are not convertibles same with the 370z. And if you had to buy a convertible it'd probably be new and cost 2-2.5 times as much as a used s2k or solstice.
 

Byblyk

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With a $600 tune my sky is putting out 290hp 325tq. This was an added option from GM for the 2009 models. S2000/370Z can't compete with that.
 

zoiks

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I have a Sky Redline and have driven both modified and unmodified S2000's ad there is no comparison. Other than the fact they are two seated roadsters they shouldn't even be considered against each other. It's kind of like an Elise and a Corvette actually, similar price range, both excel at different things but once someone drives both, they know which one is their car.

The S2000 is very light, very small, rev happy, and the wind buffeting and road noise is loud with the top down or up. With the top down there is little chance in having a conversation or listening to music. The steering has a much nicer feel and the transmission is like heaven in your hand. As a corner carver, very few cars can match it.

The Sky Redlike is bigger, it has more insulation, and the ecotec LNF is one hell of a motor. The torque is unbelievable for a 4 cylinder stock and with a <$500 tune it will blow your mind. The top is well insulated and the car is very quiet compared to the S2k. The transmission was pulled straight out of a truck and is a bit clunky, though I like the clutch engagement after getting used to it. Steering feel isn't even in the same class as the S2k, and the steering wheel is too large. The interior is far more comfortable, the sound system is far superior, and I think it looks better as well. The top isn't as hard as the reviews make it out to be IMO.

So S2K is more striipped down "drivers" car. Sky RL has some niceties and makes up for the weight disadvantage with a lot of extra power. Stock, in a 1/4 mile, the sky will barely outpace the S2k with both running around 14 seconds. With a tune the Sky drops into the very low 13's and high 12's.

I chose the sky because I am more about passing power, highway cruising, and evenings at the drag strip than anything else and I have done a few long distance trips in it as well. Despite the fact the S2k "feels" better on the track the Sky usually puts down better numbers.

Either way you really can't go wrong, they are both highly enjoyable. In all honest though, if I were buying all over again, I'd pick up a 370z.

Great writeup and review.
 

dawheat

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Vette73

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The 10 costliest cars to insure
The Highway Loss Data Institute has produced a list of the top ten cars to insure. The S2000 is prominently in the 7th place.

s2000-crash.jpg
 

dawheat

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The 10 costliest cars to insure
The Highway Loss Data Institute has produced a list of the top ten cars to insure. The S2000 is prominently in the 7th place.

s2000-crash.jpg

No surprise that the S2000 isn't the most forgiving car to drive and that the demographic that drives the car often has their talent run out before the car.

I paid about 2500/year for my S2000 when in my upper 20s.
 

MrWizzard

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No surprise that the S2000 isn't the most forgiving car to drive and that the demographic that drives the car often has their talent run out before the car.

I paid about 2500/year for my S2000 when in my upper 20s.

When I drove it it seemed pretty forgiving when I got sideways...but I guess it's all from different peoples perspectives on what they are used to.
 
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EightySix Four

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With a $600 tune my sky is putting out 290hp 325tq. This was an added option from GM for the 2009 models. S2000/370Z can't compete with that.

Actually, a 370z will walk all over you. A custom tuned Sky instead of the GM one... that's a diff story.
 

Byblyk

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Actually, a 370z will walk all over you. A custom tuned Sky instead of the GM one... that's a diff story.

I'm speaking from experience they don't. However an aftermarket tune or a tune on the GMPP tune will offer far superior performance than a straight GMPP tune. Either way the sol/sky offer more bang for the buck for initial upgrades.
 

EightySix Four

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I'm speaking from experience they don't. However an aftermarket tune or a tune on the GMPP tune will offer far superior performance than a straight GMPP tune. Either way the sol/sky offer more bang for the buck for initial upgrades.

The 370z should be, at the very least, equal to a GMPP Sky Redline. 370z's run a 13.3 @ 105 or so, and a GMPP Sky RL should run a 13.55 or so. The Sky will win off the line, and midway through the 370z will start to catch up and will pass it due to the better top end.

I own a Sky RL, and I do tuning for LNF cars... I know there limits pretty well.

BTW, we had a stock turbo LNF on E45(ish) put down over 350whp the other day.
 

AdamK47

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My dad's starting to mid-life. He wants to get a new car, has it narrowed down to Honda S2K or a Solstice/Sky.

Can anybody who owns both list some pros/cons of each vehicle? What should we look for specific to these two vehicles when looking at used ones? Any serious recalls to know about?

Thanks

Edit: Added poll

What did ol' pops end up buying?

I'm going to guess Camry.
 

Byblyk

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The 370z should be, at the very least, equal to a GMPP Sky Redline. 370z's run a 13.3 @ 105 or so, and a GMPP Sky RL should run a 13.55 or so. The Sky will win off the line, and midway through the 370z will start to catch up and will pass it due to the better top end.

I own a Sky RL, and I do tuning for LNF cars... I know there limits pretty well.

BTW, we had a stock turbo LNF on E45(ish) put down over 350whp the other day.

There are a couple 350's and 370's around where i live and we've all run each other at one point or another and i've never had an issue with them.

Those are good numbers, what kind of tune did you have on it? I've heard some very lucky ppl hit over 300whp with a trifecta and 91oct, no other mods.

Oh and i'm interested to see what the OPs dad got to fulfill his hid life crisis.
 

EightySix Four

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There are a couple 350's and 370's around where i live and we've all run each other at one point or another and i've never had an issue with them.

Those are good numbers, what kind of tune did you have on it? I've heard some very lucky ppl hit over 300whp with a trifecta and 91oct, no other mods.

Oh and i'm interested to see what the OPs dad got to fulfill his hid life crisis.

The only way I can see that is if your runs are not long enough for their HP advantage to take over, we have a massive torque advantage. 0-80 you win, 0-100 you tie, beyond that they win.

It's a GMPP car with increased fuel pressure from Trifecta and custom tuning on top of it. Fuel is right around 2800psi. The turbo is "only" spinning to 22psi but its running at least 10* more timing than other LNFs. When tuned right our cars LOVE ethanol.
 

Autek

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Well the original post is pretty old but I can speak directly to the S2000 vs. Sky Redline comparison as I have both sitting in my drive way. I was originally considering buying the S2000 or the Sky Redline myself and opted for the s2000 CR (granted I am a honda fan having driven a Prelude SH for the last few years). My girlfriend then purchased the Sky Redline and had the GMPP turbo upgrade put on it. If you are going to buy a Redline the GMPP should be done to it. For less than a thousand dollars you get around 300hp to the wheels and even more torque. Unfortunately the dynos charts for the sky were lost so I can no longer give the exact numbers.

Which you choose is very dependent on what you want out of the car. A lot of people don't understand the s2000. Anyone who says things like the s2000 needs a v6/v8, heat seaters, or a better audio system misunderstand the vehicle. If you fall into this category you should probably buy the sky. I'll break the comparison down into sections so you can decide which one is best for you. I already know the s2000 is the right one for me as I chose to purchase it. The Sky is a very good car (albeit not one I would choose to own). The general break down though is the s2000 is better when you need to steer and the sky is better when you want to just mash the gas.

Price/Performance Ratio:

The Sky wins this one, it is cheaper and has better horsepower/torque numbers. Both cars are quick vehicles. The power to weight ratios are actually very similar in their stock trims, however with the GMPP upgrade the Sky has a formidable advantage here, and it will still cost you less than an s2000.

Luxury/Build Quality:

This is pretty much a tie. Neither car competes as a luxury vehicle. The s2000 has a much higher build quality then the Sky, this can be seen in both the interior materials heard in the rattles. With the top off of my s2000 CR and the top down on the Sky the s2000 is much quieter when on the highway or even driving at city speeds. Conversely with the top on the s2000 CR and the top up on the Sky the Sky is much quieter on the highway and about the same at city speeds. However it should be noted the s2000 CR has all its sound deadening material removed and has more track oriented tires on it, so I imagine the base s2000 is much more comparable. The s2000 has much less wind buffeting than the Sky, even if you purchase the after market rear wind diffuser.

The s2000's seats feel very nice and hold you in position, the sky's seats have the tendency to bounce and squeak a bit. The base s2000 comes with a powered soft top that is supposedly very nice. The sky's soft top is very cumbersome to close due to the clam shell design of the trunk. Also my girlfriend's trunk leaks and the water builds up in her trunk, she has yet to be able to remedy this, however I haven't heard too many other people complaining. The sky's trunk is also very easy to close incorrectly. There is also an issue with the top's rear hold downs breaking, which has happened a few times to the sky, although has been replaced by the dealerships for free.

The s2000 has terrible cup holds and yet the sky manages to be worse (some models have cup holds between the seats which are much better than the passanger's foot well cup holder which always pops out and breaks, 5 times last I counted). However the Sky has On-Star which has GPS service built in if you pay the subscription fee. The On-Star service is actually pretty nice as you can even have them find hotels and restaurants for you. It can come with a 6 disc changer and has an audio input on the radio. I mention this because the s2000's radio door and gear shifter makes it slightly more difficult to replace your radio with any units that would provide. The sky also provides more general climate and audio features, however the s2000's systems are extremely easy to navigate while driving. Interestingly the driver-centric design makes the passenger's view of the car seem very boring.

A bonus for the s2000 is that it has strong AC fans so you can be more effective when the top is off. It also has what I call "convertible vents", which blow air only on your legs. This is great when you’ve got the top off at a stop light and the sun is beaming down on you, as otherwise your legs will get very hot.

Racing Performance:
The s2000 wins this category easily. The Sky is more prone to over-steer, while the s2000 is far more neutral. The s2000 is also has far faster response to the steering wheel than the sky does. If you purchase a sky the second thing you do after the GMPP upgrade is put new tires on it as the stock ones are crumby for the car (a cause of the poor handling and the ABS system being jarring). The Potenza RE-11 tires have vastly improved handling and response in the sky. Both I and my girlfriend drive the cars in auto-cross and the s2000 turns in much better times than the sky, even after the sky had the GMPP and RE-11’s put on it, both when I drove it and when my girl does.

The s2000 can and will spin out very easily, I’ve done it several times in Auto-X and a lot of people have wrecked s2000’s for this reason (they refer to it as snap-oversteer). The Sky is much more forgiving in this regard, but it is a direct result of the fact that it is tuned for under steer. I have the feeling with an alignment change either you could make either car fairly neutral as their weight balances are almost perfect.

For the track the s2000’s traction controls are easier to disable as well, as some traction control always seems to be on with the Sky. As a side note for bragging, I took the s2000 to race at Summit Point and I was able to lap everyone else in the beginner group my first time there, and I wasn’t allowed to pass in turns which really slowed me down. (This is probably largely to do with my auto-x experience, but the car is extremely capable in this environment).

Street Performance:
Either of these cars is better than what the average person is driving around. I mostly consider this a tie, maybe slightly favoring the s2000. The big thing is, if you’re a red light racer you’ll want the sky; after the turbo tweak it just accelerates much harder than a stock s2000 can. Here’s the thing though, a lot of people look at the s2000’s low peak torque and the sky’s high peak torque and automatically assume the sky is easier. In a regard they’re correct, if you want to accelerate in it’s much easier to just punch it in the sky without changing gears than the s2000. However in city driving the sky is extremely easy to stall when starting off. The reason for this is the torque in the Sky before the turbo kicks in is extremely low, lower than the s2000’s. Part of the reason for this is the low-compression the engine is running at due to the turbo running at such high psi. This also causes the s2000 to lug around better than the sky does when you’re in stop and go traffic. Both cars offer bumpy rides, but the s2000 always seems more planted and the sky seems to bounce around a lot due to the seats. As a note if you grew up driving naturally aspirated cars with 2.2 liters of displacement or less than having to rev the s2000 won’t seem like a big deal to you.

Ergonomics:
The s2000 is a big winner here. Here is a list of things on the sky that suck. The window controls for the sky require you to nearly break your wrist due to the very rearward placement. The seats basically require you to open the door to adjust how far they’re leaning back. Those nice looking fenders dramatically reduce visibility.

The s2000’s layout is almost exclusively centered around the driver, your AC, lights, and radio are all controlled right beside your steering wheel. In fact the rest of the dash looks very empty from the passenger seat because of the lack of controls visible from their perspective. One thing that I hate on the s2000 is actually their “racecar inspired start button”. It pointlessly adds another step to starting the car and is one of the only features the car has that don’t either make it go faster or help it be DOT legal. If they had added features like newer cars that have RFID chips so you don’t have to insert a key to start the car than it’d be no big deal, however they never added that option. The s2000’s shifter is one of the smoothest available as where the sky’s transmissions is pulled out of a truck and you can tell. It should also be noted if you want to spruce up the interior of the Sky you can’t replace the shifter knob as it isn’t a standard screw on design for some reason (or at least my mechanic couldn’t even get it off without fear of breaking something). The s2000’s trunks infinitely more useable than the Sky’s, and the “hidden” compartment in the s2000 is probably about equivalent to the sky’s glove box… although if you’re looking for storage space the neither car is the one you should get. For these reasons I consider the s2000 slightly more practical than the sky, but again, this is the wrong motivation for either car. Both cars also have very poor rear visibility with their tops up, and excellent all around visibility with their tops down (The CR’s visibility marginally worse due to the huge ugly functional wing on the back).

Summary:
If you’re looking for a car that most resembles a race car the s2000 is your pick. If you can’t live without turn by turn directions the sky is your pick (there are very few places to mount a GPS in an s2000). If you want an automatic transmission you have to buy the sky (and I don’t think you should have a sports car unless you’re missing your left foot). If you want to blast past people at lights you’ll want the sky (on the highway either car is equally as good, the s2000 better if you want to do it during a turn). If you mostly want a car to relax and look good in simply pick the car that you think looks the best.

Also I just want to say this is the only comparison thread that didn’t degenerate into a “Jap Crap vs. American Crap” argument. I hope this was useful to anyone comparing the two.