Honda CRZ Fall 2010

[mafia]

Looks like a Volvo C30 to me.

 

[wiretap]

I loved the CRX, and this just looks incredible to me. If I bought one, I would rip out the engine and hybrid shit and throw in a B18 w/ turbo. It would be nice if they made a performance model like a CR-Z Si or something. Either way, when I saw the CR-Z at the auto show two years back, I never thought I'd see the car come to market. Now that it's coming out, I can see a nice little project for me in the coming years. ^_^

 

[ElFenix]

Looks like a Volvo C30 to me.

they're all ripping off the MB C230 hatch

 

[wiretap]

Looks like they're all ripping off the original CRX or 92-95 Civic hatch if you ask me.

 

[evident]

despite the low HP numbers, this looks like its gonna be a fun car. Hopefully they will add a Si or Type-S variant and put in a regular K24 or one w/ a turbo

 

[foghorn67]

An ass only a burro could love.

 

[StageLeft]

OK let's step the fvck back for a moment.

What does the 2011 Honda CR-Z get for mileage? I see 52/59 in Eli's link. If that's true, yes, this car has merit. However, everything else I see had much lower numbers. Edmunds template page for this vehicle already has data and rates it at 36/38. If that's true you have a vehicle that is:

1) More expensive than a Prius
2) Same speed as a Prius (a fraction of a second faster to 60)
3) MUCH smaller than a Prius (2 seats)
4) MUCH worse gas mileage

Frankly, I still think that the 2 seats alone will make this a non-buy by most people, even if it gets 52/59; they'll opt for the mildly worse mileage in the Prius but more seats. Other than people looking to go from an original Insight I don't really see a demographic for it (I know it's selling well in Japan, but also in Japan life-size pillows with pictures of women sell well).

So what is this thing's mileage? Because if it's 52/59 that's one thing. If it's sub 40's forget it, the thing should be shot on arrival and purged from the earth.

This is from Jan of this year: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/01/crz-20100111.html and says

Manual transmission models are anticipated to achieve an EPA-estimated fuel economy rating of 31 city/37 highway miles per gallon.

OK, from the horse's mouth at the debut of this in Detroit autoshow:

http://cr-z.honda.com/introducing-the-cr-z-sport-hybrid-coupe/

at minute 4:14 he says "36/38" [for cvt].

Unless I'm missing something here it's safe to say Honda's engineers need to go to Toyota school and figure out how to make a hybrid drivetrain.

Here:
http://www.crz-craze.com/forum/index.php?topic=257.0

Econ' mode, which effectively restricts throttle action, enables the car to reach 58 mpg, but we found ourselves leaving it in sports mode as it offers quicker response at both low and high speeds and suits the sporty characteristics of this car down to a tee. Honda claims an average of 48.5 mpg for Japanese spec CR-Zs; U.S.-spec manual cars are expected to achieve an EPA rating of 31/37 mpg city/highway, while the CVT is expected to achieve 37/38 mpg. In global eco-performance car terms, those mileage numbers are a little disappointing, frankly: For example, the bigger, heavier, more powerful, diesel powered VW Golf GTD will deliver 32 mpg in the city and 50 mpg on the highway on the European driving cycle, and is about a full second faster to 60 mph.

 

[jpeyton]

I don't understand where this car fits in?

From what I've read, the president of Honda NA had the same exact concern until he actually drove the CR-Z. Then he was on-board.

Not only will this car get Prius-like MPG numbers, but the handling will be on-par with some of Honda's best coupes.

 

[StageLeft]

From what I've read, the president of Honda NA had the same exact concern until he actually drove the CR-Z. Then he was on-board.

Not only will this car get Prius-like MPG numbers, but the handling will be on-par with some of Honda's best coupes.

Like a civic or accord?

Is this car really going to be like a miata that to look at is nothing but you "just have to drive it" and then you kind of see the light?

 

[mb]

Skoorb, I don't think anyone ever intended to have the CRZ compare to a dedicated, purpose built hybrid like the Prius.

There is a video review floating around (can't find it, I'm at work) from some guy across the pond (IIRC he called it a CR Zed) and it was impressed with how much fun the car was while still returning admirable mpg. And if that's true, I think Honda hit their goal with the car.

 

[evident]

even though the powertrain sucks, i've seen it in person and it looks really sweet fwiw.

 

[SAWYER]

Looks damn nice to me

 

[radioouman]

Honda is missing the small/fun/cheap coupe. They go through cycles that sometimes include "cheap" and sometimes not, but they've always had a small & fun coupe until now.

Integra
RSX
Del-Sol
S2000
Prelude

They have nothing like those cars now, so the CR-Z will fill a niche, even if it only lasts for a couple years.

 

[Jzero]

Like the Insight Mk I before it, I do not think Honda intend to sell a ton of these. It's just meant as a proof of concept to show innovative ways to use the tech. In 4 years when Toyota drops an awesome hybrid MR-2h we'll remember the CRZ fondly for making it all possible.

 

[ElFenix]

so why shouldn't i get a fiesta over this?

 

[alphatarget1]

Looks pretty sweet.

 

[mb]

so why shouldn't i get a fiesta over this?

Depends, how many seats do you want/need?

Also, looks like the CR-Z price starts where the Fiesta tops out at.

2011 Ford Fiesta SES Hatchback, 5-Speed Manual Transmission$17,120

301A$795

Red Candy Metallic$180

Power Moonroof*$695
Leather-Trimmed Front Bucket Seats with 60/40 Split Rear Seat$715

NET PRICE * $ 20,180

 

[cliftonite]

I love the loooks but hate the performace. Its hardly better than my Civic.

 

[vshah]

Honda is missing the small/fun/cheap coupe. They go through cycles that sometimes include "cheap" and sometimes not, but they've always had a small & fun coupe until now.

Integra
RSX
Del-Sol
S2000
Prelude

They have nothing like those cars now, so the CR-Z will fill a niche, even if it only lasts for a couple years.

civic si is what they have now...

 

[Jzero]

civic si is what they have now...

Current Si is a sedan, though.

 

[LTC8K6]

IIRC, the 52/56 number was revised downward to the much lower numbers.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.crzforum.com/forum/general-discussion/554-driving-impressions.html

Hello,

On the righthand side of the steering wheel there is a button marked 'i', by means of which you can change the information received from the car's computers etc. I have left the setting as it was when I received the car from the dealer. Thus, about 1 km into my journey to school this morning, I was informed (by the polite Japanese lady, again) of the car's average fuel consumption so far. It was 16.1 kilometers per liter (sorry, I have lived here too long to think in miles per gallon).

However, the figure has varied between 12.6 and 19.1 km/l. When I returned home today, I had driven 980 km in total since receiving the car: a good mixture of inner-city and expressway driving.

By comparison with the Insight, which my dealer always gives me when my car is being serviced, this is a few km/l lower. The Insight does not give a daily mileage announcement, but there is a constant average, which was around 17-19 km/l.

It is, however, marginally better than the Civic hybrid I used to drive--until they updated the car's CPU programs (there are three on the Civic). Previously, the Civic used to give me 17-20 km/l on average, but the battery/motor would sometimes become almost exhausted, especially on a hot summer day. Honda explained that there were eight segments on the battery/charge meter and when there was only one segment left showing, the motor would cut out, leaving the car to run only on the 1.3 liter engine. After the computer had been updated, the battery / motor would cut out when only three of four segments were left--and this had a detrimental effect on the car's fuel consumption, which went down to about 14 km/l on average.

The Toyota Prius is being increasingly used here as a taxi and I once asked a driver about his fuel consumption. His answer was between 12 and 15 km per liter.

After I have taken my CR-Z on a long trip, I shall be able to speak with more confidence about the fuel consumption. In addition, I am coming to realize that it also really does depend on how you drive it.

Best wishes,

PAG

 

[KDKPSJ]

Current Si is a sedan, though.

Umm.. they have Si Coupe as well. It's just Si Sedan is more popular (Practicability?) over Coupe and that's why you thought Si is a sedan, I guess.

 

[Jzero]

Umm.. they have Si Coupe as well. It's just Si Sedan is more popular (Practicability?) over Coupe and that's why you thought Si is a sedan, I guess.

Interesting...I just always thought they only offered it on one body type and the sedan replaced the coupe when it was added a few years ago.

 

[vshah]

Interesting...I just always thought they only offered it on one body type and the sedan replaced the coupe when it was added a few years ago.

its both. i see a lot more coupes than sedans (i have a sedan). almost the same engine as the rsx type S