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Honda #1 in resale value according to KBB
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No Lifer
Honda is boring, nobody should be debating that. It has other merits, but let's get real it is not a car for people who enjoy driving or see their car as anything but a utilitarian machine (which is fine; I have a mazda minivan I use for exactly that purpose).
It's a good vehicle to buy new because its resale is high, but buying a 1-2 year old one is a poor choice, IMO. There are other brands that sink quickly and are in the same ballpark of quality. Honda has a silly reputation about longevity of its parts as if whatever has that badge attached to it is ordained by Christ to never need repair or maintenance. It's silly.
It's a good vehicle to buy new because its resale is high, but buying a 1-2 year old one is a poor choice, IMO. There are other brands that sink quickly and are in the same ballpark of quality. Honda has a silly reputation about longevity of its parts as if whatever has that badge attached to it is ordained by Christ to never need repair or maintenance. It's silly.
Because Truck of the Year only goes to companies who have a new/revised model out of their truck. Neither Ford or GM had a truck out that year that was new. That's why.
Any questions?
Not to mention
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingt...1/the-top-10-best.html
Ford 150 and GM Silverado both outsold any Honda car onsale.
Cdubneeddeal
Diamond Member
I don't think my vehicle is boring. I don't understand how you could classify a vehicle that has so many uses boring. I guess to each their own.
I guess because ATer's definition of boring is:
- Doesn't do 0-60 in 5 sec,
- Doesn't handle like Lotus or Porsche,
- Doesn't get mpg less than 20 mpg highway
It's quite interesting to see Edmunds' reviews on many Honda models define them "fun to drive" in their own segment.
Boring, boring, boring, boring to see people say boring.
honda does not aim to outperform BMW's etc. they aim the civic at compact cars: cobalt, focus, corolla etc. and the civic is DOMINATING that class.
honda aims the accord at the midsized car market of: malibu? fusion? camry, altima, etc.
and the camry & accord DOMINATE that class.
please dont bring up vehicles that do not compete with Honda cars.
cr-v: wins the compact suv market
element: doesn't win (i think?) but a good accompaniment to the cr-v in the compact suv market
pilot: wins comparison tests with other mid/largeSUVs according to Car and Driver + Motor Trend
ridgeline: truck of the year, in a category that japanese manufacturers have no real knowledge of (they dont drive pick ups in Japan and much of Asia)
accord: wins midsized family car market, car and driver 10 best winner for 10+ years
civic: wins compact car market.
fit: recently introducedin 06/07, entered into car and driver 10 Best list along with accord in 1 year, in 2008.
all this + reliability, i'm not sure what u guys are asking for, excitement? winning awards and being a top seller year after year sounds pretty great to me.
boring is relative. i think having my car break down is boring. i think having no warranty on my GM and ford (they still went, along with GM and Chrysler to beg for money didn't they) is boring when they were on the brink of going bankrupt. i think knowing that the maker of my car even came close to dying in their own domestic country is boring...
Anandtech users just can't stand to see a foreign (japanese) car manufacturer dominate in America.
honda aims the accord at the midsized car market of: malibu? fusion? camry, altima, etc.
and the camry & accord DOMINATE that class.
please dont bring up vehicles that do not compete with Honda cars.
cr-v: wins the compact suv market
element: doesn't win (i think?) but a good accompaniment to the cr-v in the compact suv market
pilot: wins comparison tests with other mid/largeSUVs according to Car and Driver + Motor Trend
ridgeline: truck of the year, in a category that japanese manufacturers have no real knowledge of (they dont drive pick ups in Japan and much of Asia)
accord: wins midsized family car market, car and driver 10 best winner for 10+ years
civic: wins compact car market.
fit: recently introducedin 06/07, entered into car and driver 10 Best list along with accord in 1 year, in 2008.
all this + reliability, i'm not sure what u guys are asking for, excitement? winning awards and being a top seller year after year sounds pretty great to me.
boring is relative. i think having my car break down is boring. i think having no warranty on my GM and ford (they still went, along with GM and Chrysler to beg for money didn't they) is boring when they were on the brink of going bankrupt. i think knowing that the maker of my car even came close to dying in their own domestic country is boring...
Anandtech users just can't stand to see a foreign (japanese) car manufacturer dominate in America.
TraumaRN
Diamond Member
You are about the hungriest troll I've seen this side of rollo/nrollo.
And no offense just because a car wins car of the year doesn't automatically make it great. It means for one year a bunch of people who drive cars for a living think it's the best. Whoopee do. What if a car wins car of the year then has 10 recalls that same year?
thecoolnessrune
Diamond Member
Fixed that last line for you too.
^^ the ridgeline sure is a truck to the AMERICAN based Motor Trend magazine who crowned it truck of the year in 06.
the accord cannot be decimated by anything thats not out yet. and you have no info to back that up. lose.
if the focus were a much better deal, and offers so much better performance? why does nobody buy the focus? and why do american keep buying the civic (and corolla?)
you can fix it however u want, only sales will tell who makes the better car, unless ford/gm doesn't WANT to sell their cars.
the accord cannot be decimated by anything thats not out yet. and you have no info to back that up. lose.
if the focus were a much better deal, and offers so much better performance? why does nobody buy the focus? and why do american keep buying the civic (and corolla?)
you can fix it however u want, only sales will tell who makes the better car, unless ford/gm doesn't WANT to sell their cars.
thecoolnessrune
Diamond Member
Discounting the nintendo craze that was the Wii, the Playstation 3 sells better in Japan, and the Xbox 360 sells better in America. Which is definitively better?
It's called brand whoring. You of all people should see that clearly. Why do people not by American cars? Go a couple pages in these forums to posts where people are looking at a car. See where lots of them say "Do not suggest an American car."
Much of it is simple ignorance. The same ignorance that made people wait 3-4 years before realising Honda and Toyota sold a better vehicle is the same ignorance that will make those same people wait *another* 3-4 years before realising that the Ford Fusion and Ford Focus both are superior vehicles to the Camry and Accord.
And I have sat in the new Fusion. It IS a better vehicle. Though I already felt the current gen Fusion is a much better vehicle anyways. The new Fusion is just another leap.
Letting sales determine the better vehicle assumes that buyers actually do research and know what they're buying compared to the competition. And that right there proves you are either and idiot for believing thats true or a supreme fanboi for disregarding that anyways.
Oh btw, when I see my neighbors who own some of the tomato farms and a few ranch hands here say their new Ridgeline kicks the ass of the F-150 or Silverado, then I'll just ban myself. The Ridgeline is a vehicle that plays to the market that want a truck, but dont want a *truck*. Kind of like how those that get the Hummer H2 want to get an offroad SUV but dont really want an *offroad* SUV.
TraumaRN
Diamond Member
Actually you can order the new 2010 Fusions. If you get the non-hybrid version it will be delivered in about 6 weeks. They start showing up in dealer showrooms within a couple weeks. A hybrid one you'll wait a little longer depending on where you live....And FYI you might wanna check out some reviews on the new fusion, everyone, including motor trend is raving about it.
And for the record, sales DO not make a car better or worse.
And P.S. if the ridgeline is considered a true truck then I'm the queen of england. You want a real TRUE TRUCK see F-150, Dodge Ram 1500, Silverado 1500 etc....the ridgeline is a car frame with a truck body. There is a reason it's one of the only honda autos with deep discounts.
That's funny considering you spent an entire thread comparing the new Taurus SHO to several cars not in its segment. I don't think you compared it to a single car in its segment.
And MT Car/Truck of the Year requires a redesign/new/significantly changed vehicle. The Silverado was redesigned in 2007 (which in then won TOTY) and the F-150 was redesigned in 2004, then in 2008 (and guess what? it won both years).
You also keep using magazines and such as references. You also keep crapping on Ford and GM's relaibility. You know what those same magazines say about those two companies? That they're on par with their competitors.
Every so often we get a troll who refuses to give any creedence to domestics. I remember the last one who refused to admit that Ford was on par with Toyota and Honda with reliability and quality.
As far as the boring debate. I wouldn't say that about Honda. Toyota is though (numb driving + boring designs). Honda isn't the most interesting as far as designs and offerings (they're really pushing the limits on how much chrome you can put on a car with Acuras). The driving dynamics aren't bad. However, the overall offerings aren't very interesting. They have few vehicles and even less options on those. It's tantamount to going to a restaurant and ordering the same thing everytime. You will enjoy it, but it's hardly going to excite you.
Wow
OK Honda and Toyota makes very reliable cars which keeps their residual values high.
German cars have high residuals due to their performance cachet
NA cars have neither due to decades of mediocre product.
Nissan Subaru Mazda Suzuki Mitsubishi benefit from the two best pulling them up in reputation
Honda cars better than Toyota
Toyota Trucks and SUVs, Minivans better than Hondas
Lexus better than Acura
All Japanes cars were junk when they first came over they got better
just like Korean were junk when they first came over
Today all cars are much improved over cars from just five years ago NA have some dogs in the stable though.
Personally I have owned six different manufacturers Im no cheerleader for any of them
400 different kinds of cars for sale out there Id look at any of them if the deal was right
OK Honda and Toyota makes very reliable cars which keeps their residual values high.
German cars have high residuals due to their performance cachet
NA cars have neither due to decades of mediocre product.
Nissan Subaru Mazda Suzuki Mitsubishi benefit from the two best pulling them up in reputation
Honda cars better than Toyota
Toyota Trucks and SUVs, Minivans better than Hondas
Lexus better than Acura
All Japanes cars were junk when they first came over they got better
just like Korean were junk when they first came over
Today all cars are much improved over cars from just five years ago NA have some dogs in the stable though.
Personally I have owned six different manufacturers Im no cheerleader for any of them
400 different kinds of cars for sale out there Id look at any of them if the deal was right
theeedude
Lifer
American cars were junk in the early 90s too, but it looks like they improved a lot. Nothing like fear of impending doom for motivation.
I used to have a POS 90 Taurus, and I swore off another Ford, but having been driving a Mazda3 with same powertrain as Ford Fusion and a lot of Ford components and design, it has won me back to where I will consider them. Of course there is still the resale value issue, but that is a plus if buying a slightly used one. To me Ford is becoming Volkswagen with Toyota Reliability.
I used to have a POS 90 Taurus, and I swore off another Ford, but having been driving a Mazda3 with same powertrain as Ford Fusion and a lot of Ford components and design, it has won me back to where I will consider them. Of course there is still the resale value issue, but that is a plus if buying a slightly used one. To me Ford is becoming Volkswagen with Toyota Reliability.
CrimsonWolf
Senior member
My 1993 Accord was a solid little car. The engine and transmission were in great shape and still had the factory clutch at 180,000 miles. The AC died though and I wanted a new car anyway.
I wouldn't consider buying a new-ish used Honda. The resale is so high you may as well buy new. For the used car market, there are much better values.
Actually, a lot of people here don't give a rats-ass where their car is from. You, however, have spread so much fud that if I didn't know better, I would think that Honda and Toyota had jointly hired a Japanese schoolgirl to take up residence in your dwelling and furiously fap you every time your commentary graces this forum.
I wouldn't consider buying a new-ish used Honda. The resale is so high you may as well buy new. For the used car market, there are much better values.
Actually, a lot of people here don't give a rats-ass where their car is from. You, however, have spread so much fud that if I didn't know better, I would think that Honda and Toyota had jointly hired a Japanese schoolgirl to take up residence in your dwelling and furiously fap you every time your commentary graces this forum.
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