Homosexuality is related to pedophilia?

[zsdersw]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/04/14/vatican.homosexuality.pedophilia/index.html?hpt=T2

London, England (CNN) -- Gay rights groups have expressed outrage over comments made by a senior Vatican official linking homosexuality to child abuse.

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, who also serves as the Vatican's Secretary of State, made the comment during a news conference while on an official visit to Chile.

"Many psychologists, many psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relationship between celibacy and pedophilia but many others have demonstrated, I was told recently, that there is a relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia," he said.

Tony Green of the London-based Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement said Bertone's comments came as no surprise given recent controversial statements by Church leaders.

"Of course we're appalled by it but not shocked -- people like this are bound to say this. It's a bit like comparing attacks on the Catholic Church to the Holocaust and all that. It is desperate people trying to come out with desperate answers," he said.

High-profile gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell added his voice to the criticism.

"The Vatican is trying to deflect attention from the sex crimes of Catholic clergy by blaming gay people. This is really sick," Tatchell told the British Press Association.

"There is absolutely no connection whatsoever between pedophilia and loving, consenting adult gay relationships," he added.

A Vatican spokesman declined CNN's request for comment on the Cardinal's statement.

What a tool.

 

[yllus]

Well, it's not like he can come out and say, "Celibacy is idiotic and is the reason our people have done this. By the way, no change is coming on that issue."

 

[zsdersw]

Yup.. their deflector shields are on maximum.

 

[DesiPower]

So he is trying to say most of the priests are gay???

 

[zsdersw]

So he is trying to say most of the priests are gay???

If so, wow.. they sure can pick 'em, huh? I know there's a severe shortage of priests, but really...

 

[Danube]

It's true the molester priests aren't pedophiles but homosexual pederasts. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to prepubescent children. The priests were molesting teen boys. The best proof what the Boy Scouts do is correct is what happened in the Church (it used to allow homosexuals if they were celibate - it had to ban them in 2005 after all the scandals and the infiltration of the seminaries).

 

[yllus]

It's true the molester priests aren't pedophiles but homosexual pederasts. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to prepubescent children. The priests were molesting teen boys. The best proof what the Boy Scouts do is correct is what happened in the Church (it used to allow homosexuals if they were celibate - it had to ban them in 2005 after all the scandals and the infiltration of the seminaries).

I doubt they're specifically sexually attracted to males. Sounds more like it's a crime of opportunity - a priest's access to boys in the church is much more frequent (and never as closely monitored) as his access to girls. I have no doubt many would have gone the hetero route if they could.

 

[DesiPower]

It's true the molester priests aren't pedophiles but homosexual pederasts. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to prepubescent children. The priests were molesting teen boys. The best proof what the Boy Scouts do is correct is what happened in the Church (it used to allow homosexuals if they were celibate - it had to ban them in 2005 after all the scandals and the infiltration of the seminaries).

aren't the priests supposed to refrain from all kinds of sexual attractions? in that case what kind of sick, twisted and perverted defense are you putting up?

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

A lot of people see gayness as a sexual perversion, so calling gays and pedofiles the same thing is going to be effective. I mean, I see both as gross, but I'm not going to be fooled into thinking they're the same thing. There's no victim in homosexuality, so you really cannot connect them at all. I'm just trying to see how they'd connect the two, but it fails. It's like saying eating a sandwich and eating 10 pies is the same thing.

 

[DesiPower]

A lot of people see gayness as a sexual perversion, so calling gays and pedofiles the same thing is going to be effective. I mean, I see both as gross, but I'm not going to be fooled into thinking they're the same thing. There's no victim in homosexuality, so you really cannot connect them at all. I'm just trying to see how they'd connect the two, but it fails. It's like saying eating a sandwich and eating 10 pies is the same thing.

I guess that they are trying to say is that if you are gay your are more likely to have pedo thoughts, its more of a mental things... lt's like saying all narcissistic ppl are bigots too

 

[Danube]

aren't the priests supposed to refrain from all kinds of sexual attractions? in that case what kind of sick, twisted and perverted defense are you putting up?

It's just reality. The Church didn't stop anyone from being priest because of sexual peccadilloes as long as they didn't act on them.The Church used to allow homosexuals but now they don't because of the molestations because the seminaries were becoming homosexual enclaves and discouraging other seminarians who weren't homosexual.


New York City investigated sexual abuse in schools and found around 20% of sexual abuse was done by homosexuals - way out of proportion to the less than 3% of the population the CDC says they represent

 

[DukeN]

LOL this is typical fear-mongering from the Catholic douches, trying to deflect attention from themselves.

Heck, I was told recently that Catholics love beastiality.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

LOL this is typical fear-mongering from the Catholic douches, trying to deflect attention from themselves.

Heck, I was told recently that Catholics love beastiality.

This is too easy

 

[Vette73]

LOL this is typical fear-mongering from the Catholic douches, trying to deflect attention from themselves.

Heck, I was told recently that Catholics love beastiality.

So got any pets we need to know about DukeN :hmm:

 

[Moonbeam]

Churches are parasitically organizations for the cunning and the lazy feed on the needs of folk who hate themselves and need redemption. Here's my money. Fill my mind with disgusting lies, but promise me heaven. It's a drug like cigarettes and should be taxed to high heavens. It's the Mafia of God.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Churches are parasitically organizations for the cunning and the lazy feed on the needs of folk who hate themselves and need redemption. Here's my money. Fill my mind with disgusting lies, but promise me heaven. It's a drug like cigarettes and should be taxed to high heavens. It's the Mafia of God.

On the other hand there are churches who have people who devote themselves to serving others as well as god. They spend their own money and time to go to places like Haiti while others talk about how evil they are and do nothing. Would you destroy them too?

If one wants to tax parasites, then do so to those who are religious or atheist yet do nothing for another.

 

[mattpegher]

As usual the Vatican can't come up with any meaningfull discussion regarding an analysis of the problem of abuse by priests. You would think that an organization as rich as this would pay for some better spin-doctors. Underneath the deflection you can see that the vatican has some points that their internal analysis suggests but are full of the usual biases. The vast majority of abuse cases are with young boys, partly due to access. The scientific analysis of this would question whether the priests who were involved would have engaged in homosexual activity if celebacy were not one of their vows. We all have heard of accounts of homosexual male behavior in other groups of isolated males, such as sailors, samurai, etc.

Celibacy was initiated in the church for mostly political and financial reasons, remember many popes and priests were married up until midieval times.

So you can hardly expect the vatican to come out and say, "We realize that 100% celibacy is an unattainable goal for such a large group of men, so we are going to work on a solution for those who cannot acheive this goal". Much the same attitude as toward birth control.

Partly they suffer from the sin of pride, they believe that they are so superior in intellect compared to the general populace that they do not need to prepare their defense properly.

 

[Moonbeam]

On the other hand there are churches who have people who devote themselves to serving others as well as god. They spend their own money and time to go to places like Haiti while others talk about how evil they are and do nothing. Would you destroy them too?

If one wants to tax parasites, then do so to those who are religious or atheist yet do nothing for another.

Well first I will have to find the church these folk go to and tithe to be told that God is a sloth.

 

[MJinZ]

Churches are parasitically organizations for the cunning and the lazy feed on the needs of folk who hate themselves and need redemption. Here's my money. Fill my mind with disgusting lies, but promise me heaven. It's a drug like cigarettes and should be taxed to high heavens. It's the Mafia of God.

True that.

Well, you don't have to pay the church though. You can still freeload.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

As usual the Vatican can't come up with any meaningfull discussion regarding an analysis of the problem of abuse by priests. You would think that an organization as rich as this would pay for some better spin-doctors. Underneath the deflection you can see that the vatican has some points that their internal analysis suggests but are full of the usual biases. The vast majority of abuse cases are with young boys, partly due to access. The scientific analysis of this would question whether the priests who were involved would have engaged in homosexual activity if celebacy were not one of their vows. We all have heard of accounts of homosexual male behavior in other groups of isolated males, such as sailors, samurai, etc.
Celibacy was initiated in the church for mostly political and financial reasons, remember many popes and priests were married up until midieval times.
So you can hardly expect the vatican to come out and say, "We realize that 100% celibacy is an unattainable goal for such a large group of men, so we are going to work on a solution for those who cannot acheive this goal". Partly they suffer from the sin of pride, they believe that they are so superior in intellect compared to the general populace that they do not need to prepare their defense properly.

I agree. The problem is not that they are Catholic, but forced into celibacy. Cabin boys at sea were handy for more than passing out the grog. Certainly many can deal with it, but the drive for sex forces some to seek it in completely inappropriate ways.

The Catholic Church has a rather colored past to say the least, with papacies being bought or murdered for. Wenching was a favorite past time of the elite. They were a most unsavory group. Unfortunately for the rank and file priests, they were forced into celibacy because it's cheaper to feed a priest than him and his family. There is no biblical mandate which says "Thou can't have a wife and jump her like a bunny".

Having this in place for centuries isn't something that's likely to be reversed because the higher ranking officials have no personal motivation to change the status quo.

Consequently too many will face the same problems over and over. It's a self destructive policy.

 

[Moonbeam]

True that.

Well, you don't have to pay the church though. You can still freeload.

Yeah, and take a chance on going to hell......

No thanks!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well first I will have to find the church these folk go to and tithe to be told that God is a sloth.

If you were to investigate how much of New Orleans was rebuilt, you'd find it was largely done by people who saw it as a way of serving god and man. Likewise Haiti. People quietly going about doing good. Perhaps that's why you haven't found them. For the most part they aren't interested in their 15 minutes of fame.

 

[Moonbeam]

I agree. The problem is not that they are Catholic, but forced into celibacy. Cabin boys at sea were handy for more than passing out the grog. Certainly many can deal with it, but the drive for sex forces some to seek it in completely inappropriate ways.

The Catholic Church has a rather colored past to say the least, with papacies being bought or murdered for. Wenching was a favorite past time of the elite. They were a most unsavory group. Unfortunately for the rank and file priests, they were forced into celibacy because it's cheaper to feed a priest than him and his family. There is no biblical mandate which says "Thou can't have a wife and jump her like a bunny".

Having this in place for centuries isn't something that's likely to be reversed because the higher ranking officials have no personal motivation to change the status quo.

Consequently too many will face the same problems over and over. It's a self destructive policy.

Hense the need to sue them into extinction.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Hense the need to sue them into extinction.

Is not LR Catholic?

 

[MJinZ]

Yeah, and take a chance on going to hell......

No thanks!

Lulz. What about bake sales. Do you get out of Hell for baking?