Homeowner Arrested After Shooting Home Invaders.

[Pray To Jesus]

UK LOL GG NO RE lol

 

[HeXen]

The English legal system is quite different than ours. Basically, everyone starts out guilty til proven innocent.

lol, that is our legal system too.

 

[Craig234]

I am sympathetic to homoeowners having the right to shoot to kill home invaders (even if the one I saw before this thread was an episode of COPS where an uncle with bad eyesight shot his nephew in the chest, who was screaming for help, when he surprised him in his bedroom).

But the problem I have with many Americans' view on this is that they're like sociopathic serial killer mentalities - they don't value the human life lost in the killing.

That doesn't make them 'equal to' the invaders they kill, but it might make them better or worse, it does make them have a lack of morals.

People should also try to understand the underlying issues a bit - poverty, drugs.

The same idiot citizens who demand 'no taxes' be paid for any programs that help with things like drug affiction and crime prevention are the ones so proud to kill.

 

[Craig234]

Yep, and the Jews and homosexuals during the Holocaust lived in Germany and elsewhere in Europe.

Yes, the Jews were gonna be 12% of Germany, and 'overrun them', but I'm sure OCGuy strongly approves of the Germans protecting themselves against that threat as they did.

Just the kind of guy OGuy is.

Ever notice there's no such thing as a hating bigot? They're only 'defending themselves'.

Kind of reminds me of how all the pro-discrimination groups against equal rights for gays are named things like 'defense of marriage'. That's the bigots' delusion.

 

[waggy]

I am sympathetic to homoeowners having the right to shoot to kill home invaders (even if the one I saw before this thread was an episode of COPS where an uncle with bad eyesight shot his nephew in the chest, who was screaming for help, when he surprised him in his bedroom).

But the problem I have with many Americans' view on this is that they're like sociopathic serial killer mentalities - they don't value the human life lost in the killing.

That doesn't make them 'equal to' the invaders they kill, but it might make them better or worse, it does make them have a lack of morals.

People should also try to understand the underlying issues a bit - poverty, drugs.

The same idiot citizens who demand 'no taxes' be paid for any programs that help with things like drug affiction and crime prevention are the ones so proud to kill.

pfft.

We understand the issues. we don't understand why someone thinks they deserve MY stuff i worked for and saved for more then ME.

That TV? i don't think of it as a item that cost me 2k. i think of it as a item that was 200 hours of work. that's 200 hours away from my wife and kids. So we have some entertainment.

To replace the tv i would have to put in another 200 hours of work.

if i can do it so can that paice of shit trying to steal it. he don't want to? fuck him. i will defend my house and property. Your life is not worth me being away from my family any more then i have to.

 

[waggy]

So a woman who is a potential rape victim should not fight back because she might be arrested when they find the rapist with her kitchen knife stuck in him?

remember. when seconds count the police are just minutes away.

also the police have NO DUTY to protect you.

 

[lupi]

Well I see lemon law is talking out his ass once again. Go read up fool.

PENNSYLVANIA LAW
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...d=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=0040&pn=1038

again would imply it stopped.

 

[davmat787]

In 10 years the they will have a 12% Muslim population that will run them over anyway.

It's ok, I am sure they will keep a stiff upper lip about it, lol.

 

[Craig234]

pfft.

We understand the issues. we don't understand why someone thinks they deserve MY stuff i worked for and saved for more then ME.

The vast majority of the time, because they're an out of their mind drug addict whose addiction has wiped out their morality - proving you DON'T understand the issues.

 

[Craig234]

remember. when seconds count the police are just minutes away.

also the police have NO DUTY to protect you.

Why are you believing such lies? You call 911 and say there are home invaders. You say their answer is 'we have no duty to protect you'. Wrong.

 

[Svnla]

IMO, when a person commits felony, that person should accept all consequences, including death to him/her.

 

[Craig234]

IMO, when a person commits felony, that person should accept all consequences, including death to him/her.

So, you're in favor of executing everyone who commits a felony.

Which either proves my point, or that you aren't doing well at stating your position.

 

[Svnla]

So, you're in favor of executing everyone who commits a felony.

Which either proves my point, or that you aren't doing well at stating your position.

Read my post again, the WHOLE thing. See the "all consequences, including" part? It did not say "felonies = automatically death". Very simple to understand.

 

[Jeeebus]

Why are you believing such lies? You call 911 and say there are home invaders. You say their answer is 'we have no duty to protect you'. Wrong.

There are a few Supreme Court justices that disagree with you. And by few, I mean the majority.

 

[waggy]

Why are you believing such lies? You call 911 and say there are home invaders. You say their answer is 'we have no duty to protect you'. Wrong.

so the US supreme court is lieing? good. tell them that. they have ruled the police do not have a duty to protect its citizens.

anyone that really thinks the POLICE will protect them in a time of need is insane.

 

[SparkyJJO]

I am sympathetic to homoeowners having the right to shoot to kill home invaders (even if the one I saw before this thread was an episode of COPS where an uncle with bad eyesight shot his nephew in the chest, who was screaming for help, when he surprised him in his bedroom).

But the problem I have with many Americans' view on this is that they're like sociopathic serial killer mentalities - they don't value the human life lost in the killing.

That doesn't make them 'equal to' the invaders they kill, but it might make them better or worse, it does make them have a lack of morals.

People should also try to understand the underlying issues a bit - poverty, drugs.

The same idiot citizens who demand 'no taxes' be paid for any programs that help with things like drug affiction and crime prevention are the ones so proud to kill.

I don't know about you, but if someone busts into my place I don't think it is such a good idea to try to do a mental and physical examination of the intruder.

Besides, neither poverty nor drugs gives anyone a pass to break into someone's home.

 

[DCal430]

Why are you believing such lies? You call 911 and say there are home invaders. You say their answer is 'we have no duty to protect you'. Wrong.

Actually, sadly the Supreme Court said he is right, they have a right to refuse to help you. Do not expect the police to help you, because they can refuse.

 

[Ronstang]

Great Britain is no longer great.

 

[Craig234]

I don't know about you, but if someone busts into my place I don't think it is such a good idea to try to do a mental and physical examination of the intruder.

Besides, neither poverty nor drugs gives anyone a pass to break into someone's home.

You're proving my point again, though, by misunderstanding it as you restate it.

I'm not asking you to examine the intruder and not protect yourself over sympathy.

And I'm not saying that any of those things give them a pass to invade your home.

Hence my first statement I'm sympathetic to the invaded people shooting in defense.

 

[Craig234]

Read my post again, the WHOLE thing. See the "all consequences, including" part? It did not say "felonies = automatically death". Very simple to understand.

No, actually, it's not - it's a convoluted wording not indicating WHICH you want killed.

 

[Craig234]

Actually, sadly the Supreme Court said he is right, they have a right to refuse to help you. Do not expect the police to help you, because they can refuse.

Well, that's not actually what the Justices said. It was a technical matter about a *constitutional* 'property right' - the police have a duty to protect not in the constitution.

 

[DCal430]

Well, that's not actually what the Justices said. It was a technical matter about a *constitutional* 'property right' - the police have a duty to protect not in the constitution.

The did NOT say the police have a duty to protect that isn't in the constitution.

 

[destrekor]

The vast majority of the time, because they're an out of their mind drug addict whose addiction has wiped out their morality - proving you DON'T understand the issues.

We should go soft on those types? Is that what you're saying?

If they reach out and seek help, they deserve praise and sympathy.
If they reach out for my shit so they can bail on their actual obligations and fund their continued slide into the depths, I'll push them over the edge.

The pieces of shit in life who are making no progress at improving their morality don't deserve chance after chance after chance.

I respect life, when that life respects life and community. Even if they respect life, but don't respect community, I have zero respect for that individual. Theft, alone, is a disrespect for community (kinship, tribal bonds, community relations, etc).
If someone goes out of their way to not respect the greater civilization at large, fuck 'em. If you can't play along with the rest of the human race, you don't get to live among us imho.

Our species needs enemies, badly; our lot in life right now pits the worst of us against our own kind.
Until we have visitors, we're stuck with what we got, and we got to stick together (ignoring community, cultural, and religious divides - all that will be awhile yet, sadly).

Then again, I'm an atheist, so by definition -- according to the majority -- I lack all morals. :\

 

[SparkyJJO]

You're proving my point again, though, by misunderstanding it as you restate it.

I'm not asking you to examine the intruder and not protect yourself over sympathy.

And I'm not saying that any of those things give them a pass to invade your home.

Hence my first statement I'm sympathetic to the invaded people shooting in defense.

I was being a little extreme with my "example" - I suppose I should have put a at the end, although I thought it was clear enough I wasn't really being serious about the examinations.

 

[AlienCraft]

LOL

Gotta love the UK... defend yourself with a legally-owned firearm and you go to jail.

And they like it like that.