Homeland Security Warns Against "Right-wing Radicals"

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Vic
I hope we don't have to re-live the same right-wing paranoia that brought us the 'militia movement' of the Clinton years.

wow thanks for reminding me of that....

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Vic
I hope we don't have to re-live the same right-wing paranoia that brought us the 'militia movement' of the Clinton years.

wow thanks for reminding me of that....

Real estate prices in Idaho have sky rocketed since then. The wing nuts are going to have to move to Detroit.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
BTW 9-11 was an attack from an outside force. Can not even begin to compare it to killings such as the one in DC or the daily murders in Chicago or Detroit.

But you've made the comparison, have you not?

In the search to mitigate........

Where did I compare 9-11 to other murders??

9-11 was an act of war, trying to compare it to domestic murders is liking referring to Pearl Harbor as a mass homicide.

Which is exactly what it was, mass homicide. This is why we used to hang war criminals, because they are criminals who needed hanging. The fact that they wore nifty uniforms at the time they committed this crime is no excuse. This is why the US signed on to the Nuremberg Principles (wrote them as well), to criminalize atrocities committed during war.

We don't hang people for legit acts of war.

We use war crimes to go after people who usually killed civilians etc.

 

[OrByte]

Anyone who has been on these boards as long as I have will notice the intense polarization on both sides.

And the rhetoric is more inflammatory than ever.

It makes sense that the party out of power would have the most to complain about.

 

[Phokus]

Little Green Footballs admits the DHS report has been vindicated. If only more conservatives were honest like this.

http://littlegreenfootballs.co...useum_in_Washington_DC

With the Tiller shooting and now this ? the DHS report that caused such an uproar has been vindicated.

The report was a heads-up to law enforcement, warning of a risk of increased attacks from right wing extremists, and with two attacks in two weeks (in addition to the cop killer in Pittsburgh, the white nationalist with components for a dirty bomb, the plot by skinheads to assassinate Obama, and more) it looks like the heads-up was well warranted.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Phokus
If only more conservatives were honest like this.

Uh oh, here comes OCguy with his shovel again.

Bubububut that guy wasn't a right-wing radical...

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
BTW 9-11 was an attack from an outside force. Can not even begin to compare it to killings such as the one in DC or the daily murders in Chicago or Detroit.

But you've made the comparison, have you not?

In the search to mitigate........

Where did I compare 9-11 to other murders??

9-11 was an act of war, trying to compare it to domestic murders is liking referring to Pearl Harbor as a mass homicide.

Which is exactly what it was, mass homicide. This is why we used to hang war criminals, because they are criminals who needed hanging. The fact that they wore nifty uniforms at the time they committed this crime is no excuse. This is why the US signed on to the Nuremberg Principles (wrote them as well), to criminalize atrocities committed during war.

We don't hang people for legit acts of war.

We use war crimes to go after people who usually killed civilians etc.

We hanged generals for waging wars of aggression, the same war crime Bush and his thugs committed in Iraq.

 

[Munky]

Can't have a discussion here without the nuts on both wings slinging mud everywhere... :roll:

WASHINGTON ? A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats"

The concern here is not that these extremists should be ignored or that they don't exist. The danger of this idea is that it sets up a slippery slope where anyone who is concerned about the above-mentioned issues and/or expresses opposition to the government can be potentially labeled as an extremist and a threat. This is no different than 5 years ago anyone who opposed the war could have been labeled as a terrorist sympathizer or unpatriotic, or maybe placed on the infamous government "watch list."

I don't support a government which takes away people's liberties for the sake of security. The Bush administration was atrocious for this, and so far Obama & Co don't seem to be doing anything different.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
BTW 9-11 was an attack from an outside force. Can not even begin to compare it to killings such as the one in DC or the daily murders in Chicago or Detroit.

But you've made the comparison, have you not?

In the search to mitigate........

Where did I compare 9-11 to other murders??

9-11 was an act of war, trying to compare it to domestic murders is liking referring to Pearl Harbor as a mass homicide.

Which is exactly what it was, mass homicide. This is why we used to hang war criminals, because they are criminals who needed hanging. The fact that they wore nifty uniforms at the time they committed this crime is no excuse. This is why the US signed on to the Nuremberg Principles (wrote them as well), to criminalize atrocities committed during war.

We don't hang people for legit acts of war.

We use war crimes to go after people who usually killed civilians etc.

We hanged generals for waging wars of aggression, the same war crime Bush and his thugs committed in Iraq.

Line up members of Congress (from class of 2002 to present) also - they authorized initially (with a wink or two) and then have continued the authorization.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: munky
Can't have a discussion here without the nuts on both wings slinging mud everywhere... :roll:

WASHINGTON ? A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats"

The concern here is not that these extremists should be ignored or that they don't exist. The danger of this idea is that it sets up a slippery slope where anyone who is concerned about the above-mentioned issues and/or expresses opposition to the government can be potentially labeled as an extremist and a threat. This is no different than 5 years ago anyone who opposed the war could have been labeled as a terrorist sympathizer or unpatriotic, or maybe placed on the infamous government "watch list."

I don't support a government which takes away people's liberties for the sake of security. The Bush administration was atrocious for this, and so far Obama & Co don't seem to be doing anything different.

Yeah, those left wing hippies and their terrorist activities killing people left and right for political reasons ... :laugh:

It just warns us about the (now vindicated) possibility that there would be domestic rightwing crazies commiting terrorist acts, that's all.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Phokus

It just warns us about the (now vindicated) possibility that there would be domestic rightwing crazies commiting terrorist acts, that's all.

Really? I believe they are investigating it as a hate-crime. That is an FBI thing, not a DHS thing.

But of course, you don't need your facts correct in order to troll.


No wonder people are worried about the government stripping fundamental rights for "terrorists". People like you are willing to broaden the scope of the term to include a lone-gunman committing a single murder.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Phokus

It just warns us about the (now vindicated) possibility that there would be domestic rightwing crazies commiting terrorist acts, that's all.

Really? I believe they are investigating it as a hate-crime. That is an FBI thing, not a DHS thing.

But of course, you don't need your facts correct in order to troll.

:laugh: semantics.


This guy was a white supremacist who attacked the holocaust memorial. It fits under a terrorist act AND a hate crime :roll:

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: munky
Can't have a discussion here without the nuts on both wings slinging mud everywhere... :roll:

WASHINGTON ? A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats"

The concern here is not that these extremists should be ignored or that they don't exist. The danger of this idea is that it sets up a slippery slope where anyone who is concerned about the above-mentioned issues and/or expresses opposition to the government can be potentially labeled as an extremist and a threat. This is no different than 5 years ago anyone who opposed the war could have been labeled as a terrorist sympathizer or unpatriotic, or maybe placed on the infamous government "watch list."

I don't support a government which takes away people's liberties for the sake of security. The Bush administration was atrocious for this, and so far Obama & Co don't seem to be doing anything different.

Yeah, those left wing hippies and their terrorist activities killing people left and right for political reasons ... :laugh:

It just warns us about the (now vindicated) possibility that there would be domestic rightwing crazies commiting terrorist acts, that's all.

Does it now? Because up until now I could have sworn people were completely oblivious to that possibility... :roll:

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Phokus

It just warns us about the (now vindicated) possibility that there would be domestic rightwing crazies commiting terrorist acts, that's all.

Really? I believe they are investigating it as a hate-crime. That is an FBI thing, not a DHS thing.

But of course, you don't need your facts correct in order to troll.

:laugh: semantics.


This guy was a white supremacist who attacked the holocaust memorial. It fits under a terrorist act AND a hate crime :roll:

So you get to determine that now?

Last time I checked, everytime someone from MS13 kills a black, it isnt a terrorist act.



It is far from semantics. There needs to be a clear line. With the patriot act and other civil rights restrictions for suspected "terrorists", we need to draw a clear line as to who gets the label.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: munky
Can't have a discussion here without the nuts on both wings slinging mud everywhere... :roll:

WASHINGTON ? A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats"

The concern here is not that these extremists should be ignored or that they don't exist. The danger of this idea is that it sets up a slippery slope where anyone who is concerned about the above-mentioned issues and/or expresses opposition to the government can be potentially labeled as an extremist and a threat. This is no different than 5 years ago anyone who opposed the war could have been labeled as a terrorist sympathizer or unpatriotic, or maybe placed on the infamous government "watch list."

I don't support a government which takes away people's liberties for the sake of security. The Bush administration was atrocious for this, and so far Obama & Co don't seem to be doing anything different.

Yeah, those left wing hippies and their terrorist activities killing people left and right for political reasons ... :laugh:

It just warns us about the (now vindicated) possibility that there would be domestic rightwing crazies commiting terrorist acts, that's all.

Does it now? Because up until now I could have sworn people were completely oblivious to that possibility... :roll:

Well, i could have sworn conservatives wet their pants and cried like little babies when the report came out.

 

[Shuxclams]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Vic
I hope we don't have to re-live the same right-wing paranoia that brought us the 'militia movement' of the Clinton years.

wow thanks for reminding me of that....

Actually I knew them to be the strongest or most visable during the last part of Bush I with the whole NWO/WTO/NAFTA stuff. During my time on a political campaign I came in direct contact with a great deal of these people, who pretty much fit the criteria of the DHS report only in the late 80's early 90's......





SHUX

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit


Does the name Timothy McVeigh ring a bell?

Yes, because one nut in the 90s is relevant to what right now?

I dunno. . .maybe the Nazi nut that shot up the Holocaust Museum in DC yesterday and killed a security guard?

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: munky
Can't have a discussion here without the nuts on both wings slinging mud everywhere... :roll:

WASHINGTON ? A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats"

The concern here is not that these extremists should be ignored or that they don't exist. The danger of this idea is that it sets up a slippery slope where anyone who is concerned about the above-mentioned issues and/or expresses opposition to the government can be potentially labeled as an extremist and a threat. This is no different than 5 years ago anyone who opposed the war could have been labeled as a terrorist sympathizer or unpatriotic, or maybe placed on the infamous government "watch list."

I don't support a government which takes away people's liberties for the sake of security. The Bush administration was atrocious for this, and so far Obama & Co don't seem to be doing anything different.

Yeah, those left wing hippies and their terrorist activities killing people left and right for political reasons ... :laugh:

It just warns us about the (now vindicated) possibility that there would be domestic rightwing crazies commiting terrorist acts, that's all.

Does it now? Because up until now I could have sworn people were completely oblivious to that possibility... :roll:

Well, i could have sworn conservatives wet their pants and cried like little babies when the report came out.

Turning this into a little partisan politics war is a good way to detract from the real issue at hand.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: munky
Can't have a discussion here without the nuts on both wings slinging mud everywhere... :roll:

WASHINGTON ? A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats"

The concern here is not that these extremists should be ignored or that they don't exist. The danger of this idea is that it sets up a slippery slope where anyone who is concerned about the above-mentioned issues and/or expresses opposition to the government can be potentially labeled as an extremist and a threat. This is no different than 5 years ago anyone who opposed the war could have been labeled as a terrorist sympathizer or unpatriotic, or maybe placed on the infamous government "watch list."

I don't support a government which takes away people's liberties for the sake of security. The Bush administration was atrocious for this, and so far Obama & Co don't seem to be doing anything different.

Yeah, those left wing hippies and their terrorist activities killing people left and right for political reasons ... :laugh:

It just warns us about the (now vindicated) possibility that there would be domestic rightwing crazies commiting terrorist acts, that's all.

Does it now? Because up until now I could have sworn people were completely oblivious to that possibility... :roll:

Well, i could have sworn conservatives wet their pants and cried like little babies when the report came out.

Turning this into a little partisan politics war is a good way to detract from the real issue at hand.

It's republicans who were crying about it... dhs was only trying to protect america, but i guess the GOP is weak on terrorism

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
BTW 9-11 was an attack from an outside force. Can not even begin to compare it to killings such as the one in DC or the daily murders in Chicago or Detroit.

But you've made the comparison, have you not?

In the search to mitigate........

Where did I compare 9-11 to other murders??

9-11 was an act of war, trying to compare it to domestic murders is liking referring to Pearl Harbor as a mass homicide.

Which is exactly what it was, mass homicide. This is why we used to hang war criminals, because they are criminals who needed hanging. The fact that they wore nifty uniforms at the time they committed this crime is no excuse. This is why the US signed on to the Nuremberg Principles (wrote them as well), to criminalize atrocities committed during war.

We don't hang people for legit acts of war.

We use war crimes to go after people who usually killed civilians etc.

We hanged generals for waging wars of aggression, the same war crime Bush and his thugs committed in Iraq.

Line up members of Congress (from class of 2002 to present) also - they authorized initially (with a wink or two) and then have continued the authorization.

Works for me.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Phokus

It just warns us about the (now vindicated) possibility that there would be domestic rightwing crazies commiting terrorist acts, that's all.

Really? I believe they are investigating it as a hate-crime. That is an FBI thing, not a DHS thing.

But of course, you don't need your facts correct in order to troll.

:laugh: semantics.


This guy was a white supremacist who attacked the holocaust memorial. It fits under a terrorist act AND a hate crime :roll:

So you get to determine that now?

Last time I checked, everytime someone from MS13 kills a black, it isnt a terrorist act.



It is far from semantics. There needs to be a clear line. With the patriot act and other civil rights restrictions for suspected "terrorists", we need to draw a clear line as to who gets the label.

You are probably feeling like a dumb ass now that 2 attacks from right wing extremists have made your OP about this warning look incredibly stupid.

These people are TERRORISTS no matter how hard you try to spin it. The clear line has already been drawn. They follow the same ideologies and are both part of the religious right extremist group. Mark my words, this is only going to get worse.

 

[Starbuck1975]

but i guess the GOP is weak on terrorism

I thought we were now referring to terrorists as individuals of questionable intentions motivated towards creating man made catastrophes.

The Holocaust museum and late term abortion doctor acts of violence are both despicable, and I find it disturbing that anyone would allow ideology to lead them to such actions. Whatever we label them, there is no room in a civilized society for such people.

I find it equally disturbing that you are using this as a wedge issue to make blanket statements against Republicans and conservatives.

 

[Patranus]

I guess liberals think this guy has takeover Rushes job as the spokesman of the GOP.

If liberals are allowed to associate this insane man to the GOP I guess it is fair game to associate the Muslim who shot up the army recruiter last week with the Democrats....

Isn't that the game we are playing....

 

[Docnasty]

I like guns.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Docnasty
I like guns.

I like toothpaste.