Homeland Security Warns Against "Right-wing Radicals"

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Phokus

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Uh oh, looks like the holocaust memorial shooter is also a far-right wingnut... damn that obama for trying to imply the right has terrorists!

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...e-loopy-far-right.html

"The gunman was identified by several news agencies as James W. von Brunn, a man in his late 80s. According to a Web site maintained by Mr. von Brunn, he embraces a far-reaching conspiracy theory involving Jews, blacks and other minority groups"
 

Patranus

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Look, can we stop with the political hatred here? This had nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans. An old, angry, delusional white man when into a holocaust museum. He is a nut job. Don't confuses nut jobs with a political party. White supremacists are JUST AS BAD as militant Muslim...trying to destory the USA and its ideas...
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Uh oh, looks like the holocaust memorial shooter is also a far-right wingnut... damn that obama for trying to imply the right has terrorists!

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...e-loopy-far-right.html

"The gunman was identified by several news agencies as James W. von Brunn, a man in his late 80s. According to a Web site maintained by Mr. von Brunn, he embraces a far-reaching conspiracy theory involving Jews, blacks and other minority groups"


I've never seen someone actually straw-man an entire thread before. Bravo.


Unless these are all returning vets I don't see your point. The guy shot the Dr., and the white-supremacist have been that way for a while. Read up on the museum shooter. This is not some new wave of right-wing radicalism.


Nice try, though.
 

jpeyton

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Didn't ProJo keep digging that hole in his thread, too?

How's the weather down there? :laugh:
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Didn't ProJo keep digging that hole in his thread, too?

How's the weather down there? :laugh:

You can laugh all you want, but a life-long neo-nazi shooting one person at a museum is not what the Homeland Security report was talking about.


Text ---- Trying to draw attention from this classic isn't going to work.

The Report:


"....saying the economic recession, the election of America's first black president and the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias. "


If you think the above describes the Dr. killer or that neo-Nazi, you are retarded.


The report was trying to say that because we have a black President, returning war-vets are going to go Tim Mcveigh style and form white-power militias.


Not even close.
 

Shuxclams

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Libs always go into such glee when they think deaths score them political points. Nobody ever said right wing extremists didn't exist. Napi's report basically slanderd whole massive groups - like saying "southerners" are potential racial extremsits.

In any case, its telling how Media is all over this while it tippy toed over Muslim Convert that fired on military and killed one recuriter. Obama and Co's response to that was sto move Muslms up to most protected status and to have FBI lay off Muslim converts (and Black Panthers in Philly and illegal alien voters in GA).

A lot of uproar over Napi's report was the fact people knew O & Co were going to ignore Muzzies while going hypercritical on citizens of the correct political and racial profile. This seems to be the reality. I wouldn't even be surprised if O & Co want to see kooks go off. This gang of Marxocrats are not beyond doing their own Reichstag fire type provocations.

Wow, Southerners aren't more likely to be racist? :roll:

You can laugh all you want, but a life-long neo-nazi shooting one person at a museum is not what the Homeland Security report was talking about.


Text ---- Trying to draw attention from this classic isn't going to work.

The Report:


"....saying the economic recession, the election of America's first black president and the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias. "


If you think the above describes the Dr. killer or that neo-Nazi, you are retarded.


The report was trying to say that because we have a black President, returning war-vets are going to go Tim Mcveigh style and form white-power militias.


Not even close.

You don't know when to stop digging do you?

The Report

Although the United States is the country most frequently targeted abroad by
terrorists, it is somewhere near the bottom of the list in the number of terrorist
attacks annually recorded within its own borders. For example, according to the
FBI, 12 terrorist attacks occurred in the United States in 1993; only four in 1992;
five in 1991; seven in 1990; four in 1989; nine in 1987; and 25 in 1986. Moreover,
until the 1993 bombing of New York?s World Trade Center, where six persons
died, no one had been killed in a terrorist incident in the United States since
1986.1 Nevertheless, the United States is not immune to terrorism from within its
own borders. A variety of ethnic/emigre groups, purely indigenous terrorist
organizations, and foreign terrorist groups are committed to the use of violence
in pursuit of their political objectives. Indeed, the continuing violence
perpetrated by Puerto Rican separatists, opponents of legalized abortion, and
foreign elements, as dramatically demonstrated by the February 1993 bombing of
New York City?s World Trade Center, underscores the fact that the threat of
terrorism in this country can by no means be discounted.
There are five potential types of terrorist organizations in the United States:
? Ethnic separatist and emigre groups;
? Left-wing radical organizations;
? Right-wing racist, anti-authority, survivalist-type groups;
? Foreign terrorist organizations;
? Issue-oriented groups (including anti-abortionists,2 animal rights, and
environmental extremist groups).
_________________
1Federal Bureau of Investigation, Terrorist Research and Analytical Center, Counter-Terrorism
Section, Intelligence Division, Terrorism in the United States 1982?1992 (Washington, D.C.: U.S.
Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1993). By comparison, for example, an
average of approximately 1.5 million crimes per year were recorded in the United States during the
same period along with an annual average of about 20,000 homicides. See U.S. Department of Justice,
Uniform Crime Reports, 1989?1993.
2To date, the FBI has not defined incidents of anti-abortion violence as terrorism. However,
many survey respondents counted the anti-abortion movement as a potential terrorist threat, and
thus it is included here.

Furthermore

Right-wing terrorists appear to embrace the respective traits of both the ethnic
separatist and left-wing terrorists. They are extremely violent, have no
reservations about killing, spawn successor generations, and are often oriented
toward specific political issues. These organizations span the spectrum ranging
from traditional hate groups to anti-government groups supportive of the U.S.
government?s overthrow. During the past decade several racist and reactionary
groups have surfaced, including anti-federalists, anti-Semites, racists,
survivalists, and extreme, apocalyptic, Christian militants. Although related to
the Ku Klux Klan and older American Nazi groups, the new organizations,
including Skinheads, not only champion the old dogmas of a racially pure,
Christian United States with no Jews, African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians,
Catholics, or atheists, they are also violently opposed to any form of government
above the county level.

And

Right-wing and issue-specific groups are identified with the greatest frequency
by all types of organizations. That is, all of the elements surveyed?state law
enforcement, state emergency preparedness, and local law enforcement
organizations?identified right-wing and issue-specific organizations as the two
most prominent threat sources. These two types of terrorist organizations are not
only the most frequently identified in terms of existence but also are most
frequently identified as having committed specific acts of terrorism. These
perceptions of terrorism are spread throughout the United States, in communities
large and small.
Despite the near universal acknowledgment of the potential for terrorism, the
rest of this report will reveal that there is no unanimity as to how to address the
problem. Subsequent sections of this report will detail how the level of training,
communications, coordination, and procedures vary from city to city and even
from law enforcement agency to law enforcement agency within a given county.
Clearly, law enforcement officers are aware of the potential threat from terrorism.
But the potential immensity of terrorism, the sudden violence with which it may
manifest itself, and the numerous forms in which the acts can be perpetrated are
daunting issues which make preparedness difficult.


This is what upset the right? I'm sorry, how many of you people read this?






SHUX

 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Shuxclams

*snip*


What you just wrote actually proved what I was saying. Where are the groups they are talking about? Where are the returning vets?


We've seen one or two unrelated events that have nothing to do with a white-power shift by war vets.

Again, check out today's suspect's rap sheet.


By your logic, that attack last week was a Muslim Terrorist attack. :roll:
 

Corn

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Shuxclams

*snip*


What you just wrote actually proved what I was saying. Where are the groups they are talking about? Where are the returning vets?


We've seen one or two unrelated events that have nothing to do with a white-power shift by war vets.

Again, check out today's suspect's rap sheet.


By your logic, that attack last week was a Muslim Terrorist attack. :roll:


The stupidity of this argument comes as no suprise coming from the mentally disturbed such as Harvey, Phokus and Jpeyton. The vast majority of the murders committed in the city limits of Detroit (and every other urban center) are perpetrated by low income minorities--I can guarantee most of 'em ain't Republican voting right wingers.
 

Vic

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I hope we don't have to re-live the same right-wing paranoia that brought us the 'militia movement' of the Clinton years.
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: Vic
I hope we don't have to re-live the same right-wing paranoia that brought us the 'militia movement' of the Clinton years.

We're living it now, dude....
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Vic
I hope we don't have to re-live the same right-wing paranoia that brought us the 'militia movement' of the Clinton years.
I'd be more worried about the number of people being killed in Detroit, Chicago and New Orleans.

339 murders in Detroit last year.
509 murders in Chicago last year.
170+ murders in New Orleans last year.

And yet we are debating how much of a threat right wing kooks are??
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Vic
I hope we don't have to re-live the same right-wing paranoia that brought us the 'militia movement' of the Clinton years.


And yet we are debating how much of a threat right wing kooks are??

yeah, fuck the guy that was just doing his job that got capped by a freakshow....

 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Vic
I hope we don't have to re-live the same right-wing paranoia that brought us the 'militia movement' of the Clinton years.
I'd be more worried about the number of people being killed in Detroit, Chicago and New Orleans.

339 murders in Detroit last year.
509 murders in Chicago last year.
170+ murders in New Orleans last year.

And yet we are debating how much of a threat right wing kooks are??

all done by black liberals... according to the right (they're not racist, i swear!)

the reason we're worried about about rightwing domestic terrorism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_city_bombing

I guess since heart disease is the number 1 cause of deaths is heart disease, we shouldn't worry about murder OR terrorism

Hell, since 9-11 'only' killed 3k people, compared to the number of people who have ever died in this country, why are we getting so worked up about islamic terrorism anyway?
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Vic
I hope we don't have to re-live the same right-wing paranoia that brought us the 'militia movement' of the Clinton years.
I'd be more worried about the number of people being killed in Detroit, Chicago and New Orleans.

339 murders in Detroit last year.
509 murders in Chicago last year.
170+ murders in New Orleans last year.

And yet we are debating how much of a threat right wing kooks are??
Using your argument, we should have laughed off the deaths from 9/11, because deaths from terrorism pale in comparison to deaths from other crimes.
 

ProfJohn

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I'm not laughing at anyones death.

I am laughing at the stupid 'right wing terrorist' BS when we have people being killed everyday in many major American cities. Every time a black drug dealer kills someone can I call it 'left wing terrorism'??
 

ProfJohn

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BTW 9-11 was an attack from an outside force. Can not even begin to compare it to killings such as the one in DC or the daily murders in Chicago or Detroit.
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
BTW 9-11 was an attack from an outside force. Can not even begin to compare it to killings such as the one in DC or the daily murders in Chicago or Detroit.

But you've made the comparison, have you not?

In the search to mitigate........
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I'm not laughing at anyones death.

I am laughing at the stupid 'right wing terrorist' BS when we have people being killed everyday in many major American cities. Every time a black drug dealer kills someone can I call it 'left wing terrorism'??

No, you can say it's partly the result of right-wing policies for decades, but being black or sellign drugs are not left-wing policies the way the radical right has a *political* agenda.
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I'm not laughing at anyones death.

I am laughing at the stupid 'right wing terrorist' BS when we have people being killed everyday in many major American cities. Every time a black drug dealer kills someone can I call it 'left wing terrorism'??

Sure, if you can link the murders to a left wing ideology. However most "drug related" murders are all about greed, a right wing virtue, so you have a tough row to hoe to make your case.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
BTW 9-11 was an attack from an outside force. Can not even begin to compare it to killings such as the one in DC or the daily murders in Chicago or Detroit.

But you've made the comparison, have you not?

In the search to mitigate........
Where did I compare 9-11 to other murders??

9-11 was an act of war, trying to compare it to domestic murders is liking referring to Pearl Harbor as a mass homicide.
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
BTW 9-11 was an attack from an outside force. Can not even begin to compare it to killings such as the one in DC or the daily murders in Chicago or Detroit.

But you've made the comparison, have you not?

In the search to mitigate........
Where did I compare 9-11 to other murders??

9-11 was an act of war, trying to compare it to domestic murders is liking referring to Pearl Harbor as a mass homicide.

Iraq must pay!!!!
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I'm not laughing at anyones death.

I am laughing at the stupid 'right wing terrorist' BS when we have people being killed everyday in many major American cities. Every time a black drug dealer kills someone can I call it 'left wing terrorism'??

Sure, if you can link the murders to a left wing ideology. However most "drug related" murders are all about greed, a right wing virtue, so you have a tough row to hoe to make your case.
If it is all about greed then how come we don't see daily murders on Wall Street??
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
BTW 9-11 was an attack from an outside force. Can not even begin to compare it to killings such as the one in DC or the daily murders in Chicago or Detroit.

But you've made the comparison, have you not?

In the search to mitigate........
Where did I compare 9-11 to other murders??

9-11 was an act of war, trying to compare it to domestic murders is liking referring to Pearl Harbor as a mass homicide.

Which is exactly what it was, mass homicide. This is why we used to hang war criminals, because they are criminals who needed hanging. The fact that they wore nifty uniforms at the time they committed this crime is no excuse. This is why the US signed on to the Nuremberg Principles (wrote them as well), to criminalize atrocities committed during war.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I'm not laughing at anyones death.

I am laughing at the stupid 'right wing terrorist' BS when we have people being killed everyday in many major American cities. Every time a black drug dealer kills someone can I call it 'left wing terrorism'??

Sure, if you can link the murders to a left wing ideology. However most "drug related" murders are all about greed, a right wing virtue, so you have a tough row to hoe to make your case.
If it is all about greed then how come we don't see daily murders on Wall Street??

We've developed a civilized, well ordered system for greed on that scale. We export the violence.