Homeland season 2 trailer

[orenero]

Mine was "You're the smartest and the dumbest fucking person I've ever known." :awe: Looks like more Saul next year and that is nothing but awesome.

Great episode; they redeemed themselves pretty well after the some of the recent ones. Looking forward to next year.

KT

That was a pretty good "Saul-ism"!!!

 

[radhak]

Wow! Wow! Wow! Whatta gamechanger!

I've never had another hollywood creation, certainly no TV serial, pull something so out-of-the-blue like this one. They did it every other episode this season, and yesterday was something else!

If anybody has yet to see this episode, I highly recommend you don't read anything on the 'net first - you're in for a treat.

I'm also amazed how good the acting has been in Homeland - or maybe the credit to the director; eg - when Saul is relieved that Mira offers to come back, it's so tangible you can actually touch it. Or the menace in Quinn's demeanor when he says he'll be back.

Can't wait for S3.

 

[KeithTalent]

Major spoilers, in case you have not watched much of the recent season: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/homeland-eps-talk-shifting-series-403158

Apparently they were quite close to killing Brody half-way through this season. A few episodes back I would have said they definitely should have done it, but now I am ok with how things played out.

It sounds like the writers do not even have a clue how things are going to go next season. 😀

KT

 

[dr150]

Major spoilers, in case you have not watched much of the recent season: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/homeland-eps-talk-shifting-series-403158

Apparently they were quite close to killing Brody half-way through this season. A few episodes back I would have said they definitely should have done it, but now I am ok with how things played out.

It sounds like the writers do not even have a clue how things are going to go next season. 😀

KT

I'm confident these fine writers will continue on a high note. :thumbsup:

It must be much tougher for a writer doing a drama on say, ABC, where you need 24 eps in the can every season. Too many filler episodes and pressure to be creative, which creates shark jumping.

Short seasons for acclaimed shows like Homeland and their ilk is what propels these shows to give you more intense story lines every week.

I'd put money down that Claire Danes wins another Golden Globe after her performance in S2.

 

[torpid]

Way better than the S1 finale which felt like a cop-out at the time to me.

 

[pyonir]

So will Brody be the new Nazir next season?

 

[Printer Bandit]

i think saul is working for mossad and will be a villian.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Meh. Brody should of been dead at the end of season 1 along with the VP.

 

[blankslate]

Depending on who detonated the bomb in the last episode Nazir might have another operative besides the ones we know of in the U.S.

 

[RossMAN]

Mine was "You're the smartest and the dumbest fucking person I've ever known." :awe: Looks like more Saul next year and that is nothing but awesome.

Great episode; they redeemed themselves pretty well after the some of the recent ones. Looking forward to next year.

KT

I'm so glad Saul made it, will miss Estes (even though he was an asshole).

 

[radhak]

I'm so glad Saul made it, will miss Estes (even though he was an asshole).

Agreed - you need the contra-positive figures around to make it interesting. They gotta introduce others who'll play that role. Maybe this time Carrie will be arrested, or at least remain under suspicion (as she should, with her recent acts of omission and commission).

I'm sure the writers will love this 'reboot' - the opportunity for newer characters and situations. S3 might be the reverse of S1 - the whole world believing a war-hero is the villain, but for one sole CIA operative.

Frankly I'll be happy if the Brody kids stay out - too whiny or too picture-perfect to be interesting. The wife is interesting - else we don't see any skin... :|

 

[purbeast0]

so what do you all make of how they tried to make saul seem suspicious? they did this in season 1 as well at some point near the end of the season.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Major spoilers, in case you have not watched much of the recent season: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/homeland-eps-talk-shifting-series-403158

Apparently they were quite close to killing Brody half-way through this season. A few episodes back I would have said they definitely should have done it, but now I am ok with how things played out.

It sounds like the writers do not even have a clue how things are going to go next season. 😀

KT

I really think this is the show's greatest flaw. Because they don't have a preplanned narrative arc, they have already painted themselves into corners that required really wildly implausible resolutions in order to continue. I did think the finale was much better than the two episodes the preceded it, but the two shows that preceded it were dreadful.

A few overall comments:

- I do generally admire the show's writing, despite the horrible episodes late in the season.

- The lack of a preplanned narrative arc has made them resort to some terrible writing to bail themselves out.

- The acting on the show is overrated. Damien Lewis is bad at times (though I generally like him), and the actor playing Estes is not good at all. I admire Claire Danes but at times her acting is distractingly bad as well. Mandy Patinkin is great and substantially saved the finale with his excellent performance.

- The Quinn character is the most interesting thing about the show at this point, which is probably not a good thing in that his character seems implausible, and he sometimes (particularly in the finale) acts in a way that simply defies reality.

Spoiler

- It will be interesting to see how they resolve Brody's situation. My instinct is that he was responsible for the bombing at the CIA, but as always they have left that unclear.

- Even in the generally strong finale there were many ridiculous plot holes.

- I find it hard to imagine how they can plausibly have Brody evade capture - the way they have set things up he might literally be the most wanted man, internationally, in history, and unlike, say, Osama bin Laden, he would find it very difficult to hide even in the countries that most prolifically sponsor terrorism and hate the US.

- I anticipate the next season being mostly a Quinn-vs-Brody conflict, with Carrie and Saul changing allegiances repeatedly as they are uncertain whether or not Brody is a terrorist.

 

[SAWYER]

That scene with Quinn in the bedroom was awesome

 

[radhak]

Spoiler

- It will be interesting to see how they resolve Brody's situation. My instinct is that he was responsible for the bombing at the CIA, but as always they have left that unclear.

- Even in the generally strong finale there were many ridiculous plot holes.

- I find it hard to imagine how they can plausibly have Brody evade capture - the way they have set things up he might literally be the most wanted man, internationally, in history, and unlike, say, Osama bin Laden, he would find it very difficult to hide even in the countries that most prolifically sponsor terrorism and hate the US.

- I anticipate the next season being mostly a Quinn-vs-Brody conflict, with Carrie and Saul changing allegiances repeatedly as they are uncertain whether or not Brody is a terrorist.

Spoiler

Yes - plot holes are there, but the pace of the episode sorta covers it; and about Brody - the generally accepted idea that he's among the dead might dampen any potential manhunt. Depends on how Carrie explains it away.

 

[KeithTalent]

I really think this is the show's greatest flaw. Because they don't have a preplanned narrative arc, they have already painted themselves into corners that required really wildly implausible resolutions in order to continue. I did think the finale was much better than the two episodes the preceded it, but the two shows that preceded it were dreadful.

A few overall comments:

- I do generally admire the show's writing, despite the horrible episodes late in the season.

- The lack of a preplanned narrative arc has made them resort to some terrible writing to bail themselves out.

- The acting on the show is overrated. Damien Lewis is bad at times (though I generally like him), and the actor playing Estes is not good at all. I admire Claire Danes but at times her acting is distractingly bad as well. Mandy Patinkin is great and substantially saved the finale with his excellent performance.

- The Quinn character is the most interesting thing about the show at this point, which is probably not a good thing in that his character seems implausible, and he sometimes (particularly in the finale) acts in a way that simply defies reality.

Spoiler

- It will be interesting to see how they resolve Brody's situation. My instinct is that he was responsible for the bombing at the CIA, but as always they have left that unclear.

- Even in the generally strong finale there were many ridiculous plot holes.

- I find it hard to imagine how they can plausibly have Brody evade capture - the way they have set things up he might literally be the most wanted man, internationally, in history, and unlike, say, Osama bin Laden, he would find it very difficult to hide even in the countries that most prolifically sponsor terrorism and hate the US.

- I anticipate the next season being mostly a Quinn-vs-Brody conflict, with Carrie and Saul changing allegiances repeatedly as they are uncertain whether or not Brody is a terrorist.

I agree the overall lack of focus is evident in parts, but I think I give it more leeway than you do for whatever reason, I guess because there are still episodes that blow me away here and there. I do agree on Lewis, I think he is extremely overrated as an actor and find him to actually be bad at times. Saul redeems everything though; really they should just have Saul's head randomly pop up in the corner of the screen and that would make any scene better.

Lewis is not confirmed for next year yet, though I imagine he will be back. Not sure how they will handle it because you are right, not only is he an epic terrorist, he is an epic traitor. Very hard to survive out there with the world after you.

My hopes lie in an increased role for Saul and Quinn next year and as long as they don't make them do anything completely stupid and out of character, I will be happy to spend the extra time with those characters and the interesting things they can do.

I was actually kind of hoping Carrie would have just gone with Brody and it would be Saul and Quinn chasing after them.

KT

 

[lyssword]

daaamn

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Ridiculous. An insult to the intelligence of every viewer, that whole chain of events was downright silly.

Spoiler

We're supposed to believe that a terrorist group managed to infiltrate the US government so deeply that they

a) Get to a congressman's car and pack it with explosives
b) Move it while it's parked in CIA headquarter for the VPs service which would be one of the most secure locations on earth
c) Don't show up on camera moving the car

Really? That's all a series of Deus ex Machina moments, the entire thing was completely spun out of thin air. If the network had that sort of access and strike capabilities then Brody fucking with the VP's pacemaker was meaningless and Abu Nazir would have known it.

And then Carrie and Brody drive OUT of the CIA HQ and nobody notices? Like the place was not locked down 10 seconds after the blast? Who is dumb enough to buy that nonsense?

 

[jhansman]

I don't see how they can squeeze a third season out of this. It got just plain cartoonish in the last few episodes. HBO could not renew and we'd all be better off. You know, go read a book, or something.

 

[dr150]

Ridiculous. An insult to the intelligence of every viewer, that whole chain of events was downright silly.

Spoiler

We're supposed to believe that a terrorist group managed to infiltrate the US government so deeply that they

a) Get to a congressman's car and pack it with explosives
b) Move it while it's parked in CIA headquarter for the VPs service which would be one of the most secure locations on earth
c) Don't show up on camera moving the car

Really? That's all a series of Deus ex Machina moments, the entire thing was completely spun out of thin air. If the network had that sort of access and strike capabilities then Brody fucking with the VP's pacemaker was meaningless and Abu Nazir would have known it.

And then Carrie and Brody drive OUT of the CIA HQ and nobody notices? Like the place was not locked down 10 seconds after the blast? Who is dumb enough to buy that nonsense?

I don't see how you can reach conclusions either way until Season 3 plays out and explains it. You're jumping the gun a little bit.

As far as horrible repeated slapped face-palm, red face writing is concerned, that award goes to Lindelof's Prometheus. :biggrin:

 

[Printer Bandit]

I don't see how they can squeeze a third season out of this. It got just plain cartoonish in the last few episodes. HBO could not renew and we'd all be better off. You know, go read a book, or something.

if it continues to get emmys / golden globes, it will be renewed.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I don't see how you can reach conclusions either way until Season 3 plays out and explains it. You're jumping the gun a little bit.

There was no conclusion to leap to regarding the car being moved without video and Carrie/Brody leaving without being noticed. Those are facts, not conjectures.

 

[KeithTalent]

There was no conclusion to leap to regarding the car being moved without video and Carrie/Brody leaving without being noticed. Those are facts, not conjectures.

What if Brody put it there?

I agree on the second one; commented on it when it was happening.

KT

 

[Printer Bandit]

i think dana moved the car.

 

[dr150]

There was no conclusion to leap to regarding the car being moved without video and Carrie/Brody leaving without being noticed. Those are facts, not conjectures.

Not to defend this show or quibble this point any further, but how do you know they won't address this in an investigation/replay of events in S3?

Do you have access to the unwritten scripts for S3?