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Home Theater Audio Gurus what Receiver would you rather have?



<< Harman Kardon 6.1 DTS-ES and DD-ES system? >>


I love my Harman Kardon receiver. It is a little outdated but I am getting a new one for my birthday. (Only 39 more days)
 
anybody else? BTW right now I wouldnt have 6 speakers on it.... would only be 5 but I would eventually add the 6th when more movies were on DTS-ES (I only have on right now)
 
Hmmm.

Those are two decent receivers thats for sure. I assume the Pioneer one is from the Elite line, correct? If they are both new, I personally would go with the Pioneer Elite receiver, as DTS-ES and DD-ES are pretty new formats and there isn't a whole pile of material for them yet.
 


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<< Separates are the way to go at that price Ameesh. >>



what do you mean? thats just a reciever. >>



He means pre-amp/decoder and separate amps for each channel. Seeing as that Pioneer Elite model you linked could probably be had for ~$4,000, it'd be hard to get decent separate components for that amount of money.

I'd stick with your receiver. 😀
 


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<< Separates are the way to go at that price Ameesh. >>



what do you mean? thats just a reciever. >>



He means pre-amp/decoder and separate amps for each channel. Seeing as that Pioneer Elite model you linked could probably be had for ~$4,000, it'd be hard to get decent separate components for that amount of money.

I'd stick with your receiver. 😀 >>



you can buy that reciever for around $2500 and it has hd-ready component video switching so i can have 1 single HD out going to my tv and my dreamcast on composite into the reciever and it would ouput to the tv over the compnent cable, this is a neat freaks dream!
 
it'd be hard to get decent separate components for that amount of money.
All it takes is a ride down to your local hifi store. Go and check out Rotel

RSP-1066 =$1200-$1500
RMB-1095 =$1600-$2000
RB-1080 =$650-$1000
Total=$3450-$4500

Very sweet!!!😉
 
Ameesh, what Muadib meant was that at that price(MRSP US$4200), going with separates would yield a better result quality/features wise. For example, a Rotel RSP-1066 with a Rotel RMB-1095, or an Outlaw 950 with the same amp, would cost significantly less and provide more power while probably sounding nicer than any receiver would, including the Pioneer Elite VSX-49TX. Of course, the 49TX is a superb receiver, probably one of the best there is, but receivers are still receivers...
 


<< Ameesh, what Muadib meant was that at that price(MRSP US$4200), going with separates would yield a better result quality/features wise. For example, a Rotel RSP-1066 with a Rotel RMB-1095, or an Outlaw 950 with the same amp, would cost significantly less and provide more power while probably sounding nicer than any receiver would, including the Pioneer Elite VSX-49TX. Of course, the 49TX is a superb receiver, probably one of the best there is, but receivers are still receivers... >>



but there is no way that it could provide all the same features, and utility that the reciever does on its own, i dont think i really need it to be louder the the 160W per channel at .09% THD.
 


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<< Ameesh, what Muadib meant was that at that price(MRSP US$4200), going with separates would yield a better result quality/features wise. For example, a Rotel RSP-1066 with a Rotel RMB-1095, or an Outlaw 950 with the same amp, would cost significantly less and provide more power while probably sounding nicer than any receiver would, including the Pioneer Elite VSX-49TX. Of course, the 49TX is a superb receiver, probably one of the best there is, but receivers are still receivers... >>



but there is no way that it could provide all the same features, and utility that the reciever does on its own, i dont think i really need it to be louder the the 160W per channel at .09% THD. >>



plus you can get the pioneer for $2500 out the door.
 
Pioneer.... Harmon Kardon is plastic crap.
Any DTS-ES generally uses a rear center channel speaker in addition to the 2 rear channels, it's hype
 


<< Pioneer.... Harmon Kardon is plastic crap.
Any DTS-ES generally uses a rear center channel speaker in addition to the 2 rear channels, it's hype >>



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the question is, what's the price difference on the 2 of them? if they are about the same price, i would tend to go w/ the newer h&k, but if the pioneer is significantly cheaper, get it for awhile and then wait till the thx2 and dts-es etc become more standard and mainstream. at that point, i would consider a new 6.1 or 7.1 setup.

and yes, for the price of that pioneer, i would definitely go for some seperates - rotel, parasound, adcom, nad, many good products can be had for that price or less, and sound much better. while you might not have all those features as the pioneer, sound quality and ease of the amplifier/etc in driving the speakers would be much better
 


<< the question is, what's the price difference on the 2 of them? if they are about the same price, i would tend to go w/ the newer h&k, but if the pioneer is significantly cheaper, get it for awhile and then wait till the thx2 and dts-es etc become more standard and mainstream. at that point, i would consider a new 6.1 or 7.1 setup.

and yes, for the price of that pioneer, i would definitely go for some seperates - rotel, parasound, adcom, nad, many good products can be had for that price or less, and sound much better. while you might not have all those features as the pioneer, sound quality and ease of the amplifier/etc in driving the speakers would be much better >>



the pioneer is 7.1, it also has pre amp outs for all the channels, it supports every new standard and i repeat 160W on 6 ohm speakers @ .09% THD per channel, that is wayyyyy over kill for a hometheater, keep in mind we are not trying to fill an auditorium with it just a room of max size 40x40 which the pioneer easily could do. hell my crappy ass sherwood that does 100W per channel can get deafing loud.


I dont think youve made a good case for sepreate components, explain in more detail please why they would sound better, cause my understanding is that there will be signifigant audio signal degradation when the analog signal pass from one compnent to another. As for sounding better, thats a very subjective thing and most of it has to do with the quality of the speakers not of the decoder/amp, especially at the quality levels we are talking about.
 
if you have good speaks then you probably won't push the amp over 50 watts/channel. some of the best sounding amps made will get to 10. they just have really efficient speakers in terms of converting electrical energy to sound energy.


amp wattage is like horsepower. you buy horsepower, but you drive torque (maxima baby!)
 
I think you should also widen your choices to include Rotel, NAD, Denon, and Nakimichi for some that I can think of off the top of my head. And, before you decide you and only you need to listen to them.
 


<< you can buy that reciever for around $2500 and it has hd-ready component video switching so i can have 1 single HD out going to my tv and my dreamcast on composite into the reciever and it would ouput to the tv over the compnent cable, this is a neat freaks dream! >>



For $2500 I'd rather grab the Outlaw 950/770 combo. If you want to play numbers we'll play numbers, how's 200Wx7 @ 8 ohms, <0.05% THD sound (remember you're quoting your Pioneer at 6 ohms)? Oh and forgot to mention the amp weighs frickin 90lbs, it'd squash that Pioneer literally. Plus the 950 has audio and video switching up the wazoo and 7.1 support. Sure it may not look as purty as Pioneer Elite, but this combo definately owns all in its price range.
 


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<< the question is, what's the price difference on the 2 of them? if they are about the same price, i would tend to go w/ the newer h&k, but if the pioneer is significantly cheaper, get it for awhile and then wait till the thx2 and dts-es etc become more standard and mainstream. at that point, i would consider a new 6.1 or 7.1 setup.

and yes, for the price of that pioneer, i would definitely go for some seperates - rotel, parasound, adcom, nad, many good products can be had for that price or less, and sound much better. while you might not have all those features as the pioneer, sound quality and ease of the amplifier/etc in driving the speakers would be much better >>



the pioneer is 7.1, it also has pre amp outs for all the channels, it supports every new standard and i repeat 160W on 6 ohm speakers @ .09% THD per channel, that is wayyyyy over kill for a hometheater, keep in mind we are not trying to fill an auditorium with it just a room of max size 40x40 which the pioneer easily could do. hell my crappy ass sherwood that does 100W per channel can get deafing loud.


I dont think youve made a good case for sepreate components, explain in more detail please why they would sound better, cause my understanding is that there will be signifigant audio signal degradation when the analog signal pass from one compnent to another. As for sounding better, thats a very subjective thing and most of it has to do with the quality of the speakers not of the decoder/amp, especially at the quality levels we are talking about. >>



Have a listen to seperates and then to your receiver. You'll then realise why many people choose seperates over just a receiver.
 
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