Home Network Cisco SG200-50 not playing nice.

[Maxspeed]

Hey guys, haven't been on here in years, and had to start a new profile. I'm back searching for knowledge and hope someone can help. I recently built a new home, and in doing so, planned a surveillance camera setup. I have several positions around the exterior of my home wired with Cat6 cabling so that I could build a POE surveillance system.
To start, my system consists of.
Netgear cable modem.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0781VN7W5/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Netgear Wireless Router
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KWHMR6G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Cisco Switch
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004GHMU60/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I had hoped for a little more plug and play in the installation part, but expected some configuration to be needed. However, I'm having an extremely difficult time in getting access to the switch. Ive read that Cisco uses a different protocol from other companies that make it not work well with other components. Would I be better off in getting a different switch or is anyone familiar enough and have a few to try to explain to a rookie here, the configuration that I'll need to set up in order to make my network active?
I expected to have to create 2 separate VLan's (1 for my home network devices and 1 for my surveillance cameras) enabling the ports for each, and turning on the POE for the ports set up to connect to the cameras. However, it's a little more complicated than that.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, even if its just some advice or direction to a good set of instructions that I could do some solid reading...
Thanks for the space.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Ok, good start with all the base info, but where are you getting stuck?

Also, that Cisco switch in the link is not the "P" model, I don't think it supports PoE

 

[JackMDS]

48 Ports for Home???

 

[Maxspeed]

Ok, good start with all the base info, but where are you getting stuck?

Also, that Cisco switch in the link is not the "P" model, I don't think it supports PoE

Holy crap, I feel like an idiot.....I grabbed the wrong model. No I didn't send the wrong link that's the model, so either way, I'm getting a different model now.

 

[Maxspeed]

48 Ports for Home???

Yes, currently 3 bedroom with den. Each room has 4 data jacks. (including the den, which is being used as a man cave) The garage wall where my workbench will be has 4 data jacks. Including the living room which has 4 data Jacks. And then 6 runs of data around the perimeter of the home in the soffit to install Surveillance cameras. That's 30 ports needed, the few extra are for additional camera's in the future and redundancy if I have an issue with a port.

 

[Maxspeed]

Any thoughts on perhaps running 2 of these? They seem a little more user friendly in it is not a "Managed" switch, probably a little more plug and play.
https://www.amazon.com/Linksys-16-Port-Business-Desktop-LGS116P/dp/B00GK63ZEQ?th=1#CustomerImages

 

[ch33zw1z]

Any thoughts on perhaps running 2 of these? They seem a little more user friendly in it is not a "Managed" switch, probably a little more plug and play.
https://www.amazon.com/Linksys-16-Port-Business-Desktop-LGS116P/dp/B00GK63ZEQ?th=1#CustomerImages

Won't do vlans. You need a managed switch to use vlans...

How many ports do you need total?

Edit, ok I read post above.

First, are all 30 ports likely to be activated and used , or just for backup in case one run starts giving you problems

Second, have you considered sticking with the Cisco switch you purchased, and buying poe injectors for any of the links you want to use to poe devices? Injectors will do the same job, you'll just need any extra patch cable for each drop that needs an injector

Third, do all the infrastructure runs terminate to a patch panel? If not, it really should be. The runs to the rooms should be solid core cabling (aka "riser" cable) and solid core shouldn't be crimped into RJ 45 heads

 

[Maxspeed]

First question - I would say 3 of the 4 ports for each area will be utilized, for smart Television, Blu-Ray player, and Game/entertainment system and a laptop where needed in the rooms. The garage being the only one where only 2 of the 4 may be utilized. With just a smart TV and pc in the garage.
Second question - That was my second thought, after thinking oh crap you dummy you got the wrong one, however, I had all the wiring for the surveillance installed at the time the house was wired. I only believe I asked for one run in each location OUTSIDE in the eaves, with deep boxes in case a balun was needed. Running additional will be a PITA.....
Third question - Absolutely! I terminated into a patch panel, beyond that all runs are terminated into keystones in each room. (Color coded keystones per room, with color matching cabling from the Patch panel to the switch to make room identification easier when troubleshooting.

I liked the idea of having the Cisco brand, not just because of the name, but because they have a reputation (in my experience) for having a solid reliable product. This is more important to me than anything else. I knew , I'd be barely utilizing it's capabilities, but wanted to have some headroom in the future, with some options for configuring things further, as my knowledge progressed.
Second, we are only utilizing the wireless for our cell phones data, and tablets. The tablets are sometimes used for streaming media to. So I really want to keep as much hard wired as possible, at least, that was my plan.

 

[Maxspeed]

Thanks again for the replies. I appreciate it greatly.

 

[mxnerd]

If each ethernet drop costs $100, 48 ports alone will be $4800. You doing this by yourself?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Second question - That was my second thought, after thinking oh crap you dummy you got the wrong one, however, I had all the wiring for the surveillance installed at the time the house was wired. I only believe I asked for one run in each location OUTSIDE in the eaves, with deep boxes in case a balun was needed. Running additional will be a PITA.....
Third question - Absolutely! I terminated into a patch panel, beyond that all runs are terminated into keystones in each room. (Color coded keystones per room, with color matching cabling from the Patch panel to the switch to make room identification easier when troubleshooting.

The injectors would be added near the patch panel / switch. Cable the injector after the switch, sending the poe out through the patch panel, adding the power to to poe device.

Good job on the organization, that's gonna make your life a heckofa lot easier

 

[mxnerd]

https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-JGS524E-200NAS-Rackmount-Lifetime-Protection/dp/B00GG1AD9A/ lifetime warranty

Plus

https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-JGS516PE-100NAS-Rackmount-Lifetime-Protection/dp/B00GG1ACX2 (8 PoE ports) also lifetime warranty

40 ports combined.

 

[Maxspeed]

If I WERE able to get in the attic and pull additional runs to the Soffit's for the Camera's, I would only need 6 additional runs, however 3 pass over the main living space which of course in cathedral ceiling....so did I mention PITA. I'm thinking $ for $ a more simple solution like the Linksys may be the way to go. Again, this level of networking is new to me. I've ran a basic wireless router for close to 20 years , so it's been very simple.....getting into this was supposed to be fun, and provide a great learning opportunity to set up and manage my own home....along with cost savings by owning my own equipment and getting what I want, and not renting or paying for another companies systems ( something like Comcast, that charges per camera, and a $30/month fee).

 

[ch33zw1z]

Ok, so you don't have the runs for the cameras already?

 

[Maxspeed]

Ok, so you don't have the runs for the cameras already?

Yes, they are all there, ONE run to each location. I would need a second to add the injector right?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yes, they are all there, ONE run to each location. I would need a second to add the injector right?

No, post 11. I'm out and about right now, but when I get home I can draw on paper and post what it would look like, if you need it.

 

[Maxspeed]

Then injectors are definitely an option. Power at the equipment rack is dedicated 20 amp circuit. I could easily add an additional metered PDU to the chassis.
However, that brings me back to the initial reason for the post.....I am not going to even pretend I understand all of the features of the Cisco Switch, or how to configure it to work with my existing router.
Do I need to use Trunking? Should I create Vlan's for the ports on the interior network and tag each port for that Vlan, and a second Vlan for the exterior camera's and tag those ports for that Vlan? It's much more than what I'm used to dealing with.
Again, I'm not asking to be spoonfed, I'm willing to read and learn, I've spent the past few weeks digging for info. And found that there are issues with how Cisco doesn't play nice. And that I should have a decent understanding of things before buying a piece of equipment like this. I'm a rookie when It comes to this, so some of it goes way over my head. There just isn't much documentation online for configuring this model switch against other brands of routers. I'd love to learn. And any info is good info for me. However I'm nearly at the point where I am going to have to admit defeat and look for a different piece of hardware that is more user friendly to the novice.
Thanks again guys.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Basically yes. You need one port as the trunk port to would be the uplink port to the netgear routetr so multiple vlans traffic back to the router. Likewise, the netgear will need to handle traffic for both tagged vlans on it's port

The switch says it can handle up to 4 port groups. Make two groups, like 12 for your surveillance setup, the rest for the home setup, except one for your trunk port.

Also, go through the switch setup process, which should allow you to assign an IP for the switch, and try getting on the GUI for the config

Go slow and steady, I tend to write things down as I go, do one piece at a time, and I like to write an overall plan down on paper before I tackle the actual config

The vlan setup on the router is a good place to start overall, since that's what will drive most of this. Each vlan would need a DHCP server with ranges that don't conflict

 

[Maxspeed]

Basically yes. You need one port as the trunk port to would be the uplink port to the netgear routetr so multiple vlans traffic back to the router. Likewise, the netgear will need to handle traffic for both tagged vlans on it's port

The switch says it can handle up to 4 port groups. Make two groups, like 12 for your surveillance setup, the rest for the home setup, except one for your trunk port.

Also, go through the switch setup process, which should allow you to assign an IP for the switch, and try getting on the GUI for the config

Go slow and steady, I tend to write things down as I go, do one piece at a time, and I like to write an overall plan down on paper before I tackle the actual config

The vlan setup on the router is a good place to start overall, since that's what will drive most of this. Each vlan would need a DHCP server with ranges that don't conflict

I truly and honestly appreciate your time, and thank you very much for your knowledge.

 

[Maxspeed]

No, post 11. I'm out and about right now, but when I get home I can draw on paper and post what it would look like, if you need it.

and yes, only if you have the time to sit and help with a diagram. I really appreciate it, and if you do it in crayon for me, I wouldn't be offended in the slightest.

Thanks again AnandTech for the space. This is why I started coming here years ago. Good group.

 

[ch33zw1z]

quick diagram for where to put PoE injector

 

[Maxspeed]

quick diagram for where to put PoE injector

Thanks for the diagram. Lol, I understood the injector though.
I've spent the past 4 hours trying to configure the switch and router, and have had absolutely no luck.
I've configured port 4 on the router to "bridge"
I've configured port 24 on the Switch to "Trunk"
Ports 1-22 on the switch are tagged VLAN 1
Ports 26-31 on the switch are tagged VLAN 2
The moment I plug my router output port 4 into port 24 on the switch ,nothing happens.
Default IP for the router is 192.168.1.1
and the Default IP for the Switch is 192.168.1.254
they should be in operating range of each other?

 

[sdifox]

48 Ports for Home???

<---- runs a baystack 5520 48 port poe

 

[Maxspeed]

And I got it. holy crap. IPv6 had to be set to AutoConfig on the router, and Viola. I'm up...

 

[ch33zw1z]

And I got it. holy crap. IPv6 had to be set to AutoConfig on the router, and Viola. I'm up...

Lol, those damn Soho routers