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sounds like a load of horse shit to me. there cannot possibly be a law that makes it illegal to eat raw fresh fish.

i eat raw fresh fish regularly, almost any fish that comes out of the ocean can be eaten raw, and it almost always results in better flavor and texture of the flesh. you just simply have to make sure that the fish is very fresh, and was taken care of properly when caught.

but also with anything you eat, your stomach and body has to be able to handle it.
 
randay said:
sounds like a load of horse shit to me. there cannot possibly be a law that makes it illegal to eat raw fresh fish.

i eat raw fresh fish regularly, almost any fish that comes out of the ocean can be eaten raw, and it almost always results in better flavor and texture of the flesh. you just simply have to make sure that the fish is very fresh, and was taken care of properly when caught.

but also with anything you eat, your stomach and body has to be able to handle it.
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No, but there are laws that make it illegal to sell, just like raw unpasteurized milk. If you live on a dairy or catch your own fish there's not a whole lot the .gov can do but the minute you try to sell the product you get slapped. People have been trying to circumvent this for a long time with mutual ownership of cows, etc but even those arrangements largely lose in court.
 
Ns1 said:
There isn't. There are laws that make it illegal to sell raw fish without freezing it.
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Wouldn't that make just about any Asian grocery place that sells live fish illegal? The fish is sold, raw, without having previously been frozen. In fact it is killed right in front of you.

I don't think anyone actually eats that fish raw, and they also don't market it as "sashimi grade". But based on what you're saying that should be illegal.
 
yuchai said:
Wouldn't that make just about any Asian grocery place that sells live fish illegal? The fish is sold, raw, without having previously been frozen. In fact it is killed right in front of you.

I don't think anyone actually eats that fish raw, and they also don't market it as "sashimi grade". But based on what you're saying that should be illegal.
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live =/= raw (assuming you're talking about live fish tanks)


If you're talking about the whole fish laid out on top of ice, maybe it's been previously frozen? (obviously not sashimi grade)
 
It's a lot of work and expensive if you want a variety. The hardest part is to get the proper fish. Most supermarkets will not have 'sushi grade' stock.
 
I like Korean Kim-bob but that has not fish in it. It is just Rice and vegetables wrapped up in Kim (Sea Grass)(Algea sheets). Kind of like a poor-mans Sushi - fish. I like it quite a blit. I prefer to cook fish.
 
Its one of those things thats just not worth it. Its hard to do right, hard to get the right ingredients and you don't end up saving enough money anyway.
 
Ns1 said:
There isn't. There are laws that make it illegal to sell raw fish without freezing it.
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im pretty sure this is false. even if you worded it wrong and meant to say that there are laws making it illegal to serve raw fish without it being frozen in a restaurant or something.

unless the law only applies in certain states.

such a law would put any sushi place out of business.

it would also apply to every grocery store here in hawaii, along with about 30-50% of restaurants.

at best i think its just a guideline, not a law or anything like that.
 
Ns1 said:
live =/= raw (assuming you're talking about live fish tanks)


If you're talking about the whole fish laid out on top of ice, maybe it's been previously frozen? (obviously not sashimi grade)
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Yes, I'm talking about the live fish tanks, but they actually kill and clean the fish before selling it to the customer so I would consider that raw fish as well.

Edit: I guess you could argue that the fish was sold "live" and the store is just killing and cleaning it on the customer's behalf. But I have a hard time seeing how that would fly with the government.
 
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randay said:
im pretty sure this is false. even if you worded it wrong and meant to say that there are laws making it illegal to serve raw fish without it being frozen in a restaurant or something.

unless the law only applies in certain states.

such a law would put any sushi place out of business.

it would also apply to every grocery store here in hawaii, along with about 30-50% of restaurants.

at best i think its just a guideline, not a law or anything like that.
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No, it would not, because the sushi place buys their shit from a place that previously freezes said fish.

Intended use

In determining whether a hazard is significant, you should also consider the intended use of the product, which you developed in Step #4. If the fish is intended to be cooked by the consumer before consumption, then you do not need to consider the hazard significant even if the species is listed as having a potential parasite hazard in Table #3-1 or 3-2. Similarly, if you have assurance that the fish will be processed by a subsequent processor, restauranteur or institutional user (e.g. prison, nursing home) in a way that will kill the parasites, you do not need to identify parasites as a significant hazard.

Example:
A primary processor receives whole salmon from the harvest vessel and re-ices the fish for shipment to a second processor. The primary processor has assurance that the second processor butchers the fish and freezes it for the sushi market. The primary processor would not need to identify parasites as a significant hazard.
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http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceCom...ProductsHazardsandControlsGuide/ucm091704.htm
 
Ns1 said:
No, it would not, because the sushi place buys their shit from a place that previously freezes said fish.
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gross. but i know for a fact that this is not true for some places in hawaii. though it could account for the giant gap in quality of sushi ive eaten in japan and in the states. but i still find it hard to believe, freezing changes the texture of fish significantly and while i havent eaten all types of fish fresh and frozen to be able to know 100%, i like to think that i can tell the difference.


http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceCom...ProductsHazardsandControlsGuide/ucm091704.htm
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the word "Guide" turns up 3 times in that link alone 😛

your times link says that tuna is exempt. id be interested in reading up on the actual law that this falls under.
 
randay said:
gross. but i know for a fact that this is not true for some places in hawaii. though it could account for the giant gap in quality of sushi ive eaten in japan and in the states. but i still find it hard to believe, freezing changes the texture of fish significantly and while i havent eaten all types of fish fresh and frozen to be able to know 100%, i like to think that i can tell the difference.
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See my NYT link above.
 
Ns1 said:
See my NYT link above.
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i saw it, and responded in the same reply. i didnt want to reply twice.

it also says only 50-60% of the fish is frozen. which means 40-50% of sushi out there is served illegally. if they claim that the frozen fish has the same texture as fresh, then there is nearly no way to enforce such a law. pretty hilarious.

if thats the case then i take back what i said earlier.
 
randay said:
i saw it, and responded in the same reply. i didnt want to reply twice.

it also says only 50-60% of the fish is frozen. which means 40-50% of sushi out there is served illegally. if they claim that the frozen fish has the same texture as fresh, then there is nearly no way to enforce such a law. pretty hilarious.

if thats the case then i take back what i said earlier.
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Honestly I was very, very surprised when I read that article. But hey, top tier itamaes > me.

That said, that terrible ass salmon I had in Oregon was clearly frozen and waterlogged. Apparently not all frozen is created equal, or there is some magic to thawing.
 
Ns1 said:
Honestly I was very, very surprised when I read that article. But hey, top tier itamaes > me.

That said, that terrible ass salmon I had in Oregon was clearly frozen and waterlogged. Apparently not all frozen is created equal, or there is some magic to thawing.
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No it is not. Have you ever seen the Alton Brown Good Eats episode on strawberries? In it he goes into some detail on how to freeze fresh strawberries and why a standard freezer won't work. The science is basically the same with fish: the faster you can get it cold and frozen the smaller the ice crystals will be and the more palatable it will be when thawed. Slow freezing leads to big ice crystals leads to nasty thawed food.
 
yuchai said:
Yes, I'm talking about the live fish tanks, but they actually kill and clean the fish before selling it to the customer so I would consider that raw fish as well.

Edit: I guess you could argue that the fish was sold "live" and the store is just killing and cleaning it on the customer's behalf. But I have a hard time seeing how that would fly with the government.
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That fish is not sold for raw consumption.
 
I don't understand the obsession so many people have for sushi. It's everywhere. I've never eaten a sushi that made me think "I want another." 😎

I am a damn good cook. I make the best burrito in the entire universe, well 10x better than any I've ever eaten outside my house heretofore.
 
Muse said:
I don't understand the obsession so many people have for sushi. It's everywhere. I've never eaten a sushi that made me think "I want another." 😎

I am a damn good cook. I make the best burrito in the entire universe, well 10x better than any I've ever eaten outside my house heretofore.
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Are you making kobe beef burritos?
 
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