Home invaders repelled by elderly homeowner

[xj0hnx]

sad when anyone is killed in their home or the home of family..

what's even more sad - two things - one - that some of you get a hard on talking about how you answer the door - or put your clothes on - and have a gun with you when you do it - you don't live in some 3rd world piece of shit country, you live in the United States - and you are excited about your need for guns when you answer the door, or when you get dressed? Pathetic.

Who is "excited" about it? Sounds like the loony left is getting more excited than Spidey07, just look at Perk's foam flecked rant.

And you don't have to live in a third world shit hole to be attacked. My father was home invaded, chased them out with a 12 gauge, the building next to our old apartment had a home invasion at noon, son was shot in the stomach, there was also not too long ago a mother and her kids home invaded coming home from the grocery, the son wound up getting free, getting his fathers handgun and blowing one of the invader's face off. Shit happens everywhere.

 

[alkemyst]

Your the one driven by emotion and not logic. No responsible gun owner ever wants to use it on another person. I know I don't.

Then again I always try to be safe and prepared in most things I do in life. Safety first, especially my own.

Spidey, you are driven by emotion...fear.

Do you live in a detached house even (I hope you do)? Do you own a security system? Have proper lighting around your home? etc.

I have heard all this before. Fight the good fight and do all that it takes, but then you hear: Security system...no, too expensive and they just make false alarms. Lighting...no can't sleep with lights on and they cost too much to power. Good locks....no, my standard deadbolt is just fine....self defense training...no, I may get hurt and I have no time. Dog...no I'd have to walk them.

because I got my gun. Yippie Ki Yay!

 

[xj0hnx]

I don't think anyone is debating that. People have a problem with those that live in fear of everything that then buy guns.

Do you freak out on people that live in constant fear of getting in a wreck and buy very safe cars? No, because it doesn't fit the agenda of trying to make it seem as though anyone that buys a gun for protection is afraid of everything, which couldn't be further from the truth. It doesn't fit the agenda of trying to paint gun owners as psychotic, fearful anti-socials.

 

[spidey07]

Alkymest if you must push the issue I had a 80 pound blue heeler telling me they were in my home. Telling them to gtfo. They didn't leave. I would guess there were 4 of them.

Again it's not out of fear. It's having an option should it get to that point. At the time I had little option.

 

[alkemyst]

Do you freak out on people that live in constant fear of getting in a wreck and buy very safe cars? No, because it doesn't fit the agenda of trying to make it seem as though anyone that buys a gun for protection is afraid of everything, which couldn't be further from the truth. It doesn't fit the agenda of trying to paint gun owners as psychotic, fearful anti-socials.

Hmmmm yes, I have a problem with anyone living in constant fear with no reason for it.

They are dangerous to be around due to overreaction and tending to attempt to create a more unamerican America out of their fear.

I never said gun owners were psychotic and fearful. I said most are. Out of any 10 gun owners you have maybe 1 that would be able to use it properly and effectively. Then you may have 2 or so that at least aren't dangerous with them, but wouldn't be able to shoot more than a paper target. The other 7 or so are either show boating, getting their gun stolen, using them to commit crimes or killing/hurting a non-perp.

Still I don't believe in banning guns. Darwinism will sort it out.

 

[Perknose]

A childhood friend of mine accidentally shot his father's piano with birdshot at a range of 5 feet, it created a hole in the piano less than an inch, All his fellow friends demanded he cook up and eat what he killed in proper sporting tradition, but he weaseled out by claiming the piano was to stringy.

Lol, Lemon, THANKS for reminding me of one of my favorite American literary masterpieces which I read long, long ago, by the inimitable Thomas McGuane, back when he was unknown, The Bushwhacked Piano.

I can smell the spice.

It begins:

Years ago, a child in a tree with a small caliber rifle bushwhacked a piano through the open summer windows of a neighbor's living room. The child's name was Nicholas Payne.

Dragged from the tree by the piano's owner, his rifle smashed upon a rock and flung, he was held by the neck in the living room and obliged to view the piano point blank, to dig into its interior and see the cut strings, the splintered holes that let slender shafts of light ignite small circles of dark inside the piano.

"You have spoiled my piano."

The child would remember the great wing of the lid over his head, the darkness, the cut wires curling upon themselves, the smell of spice and the sudden idea that the piano had been sailed full of spice from the Indies free of the bullet holes that would have sent it to the bottom, resonant with uncut strings, its mahogany lid slicing the wind and sheltering a moist and fragrant cargo of spice.

What an idea.

Some Reviews:

"The work of a writer of the first magnitude. His sheer writing skill is nothing short of amazing. The preternatural force, grace, and self-control of his prose recall Faulkner.... McGuane is a virtuoso." -- Jonathan Yardley, The New York Times Book Review

"McGuane shares with Celine a genius for seeing the profuse, disparate materials of everyday life as a highly organized nightmare."
-- The New Yorker

"A novel of wisecracks and puns and ordinary objects invested with legendary potency."
-- Geoffrey Wolff, Newsweek -- Review

And a personal review on the web that best captures the inimitable charm of this little gem:

This is a book that you read as much for the sheer beauty of some of the sentence's. You read the occasional sentence, or paragraph, with your jaw agape. Then turn around and re read it just to be sure read it right. Then you read it just for the joy of it.

This said, it is also a very funny novel, replete with Bat Towers, and and Hemorrhoids. What more can you ask for?

Find it, buy it, read it. You can thank me later. Now, carry on with your buckshot/birdshot discussion. 🙂

 

[classy]

I'm waiting for an intelligent response to a persons right to legally defend themselves + family within their home (Castle Doctrine).

Dude you and nobody are out to lunch together, probably among other things. I have no idea what you are talking about? I questioned the circumstances around this shooting, not that he shot the guys. Grow up or shut up.............

I don't see anyone saying the guy shouldn't have shot the guys. So what's your point dumbass?

 

[xj0hnx]

They are dangerous to be around due to overreaction and tending to attempt to create a more unamerican America out of their fear.

Actually the exact opposite is true. Licensed gun owners have a record of being some of the most law abiding people around. Here's some conviction rates for CHL holders in Texas going back to '96.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/convrates.htm

I never said gun owners were psychotic and fearful. I said most are. Out of any 10 gun owners you have maybe 1 that would be able to use it properly and effectively.

Bullshit. Get some facts to back that up. Here's a fact, most CHL permits require you to not only pass a written exam, but a practical shooting exercise too.

Then you may have 2 or so that at least aren't dangerous with them, but wouldn't be able to shoot more than a paper target. The other 7 or so are either show boating, getting their gun stolen, using them to commit crimes or killing/hurting a non-perp.

More complete and utter bullshit. Facts, get some, they're good for you.

 

[Perknose]

Sigh... I hope that Michigan Nazis are not as bad as Illinois Nazis.

Lol, this thread keeps delivering for me in such highly idiosyncratic ways!

This time the gem is a song by one of my fav Canadian groups, Moxy Fruvous:

Michigan Militia! 😀

 

[alkemyst]

Alkymest if you must push the issue I had a 80 pound blue heeler telling me they were in my home. Telling them to gtfo. They didn't leave. I would guess there were 4 of them.

Again it's not out of fear. It's having an option should it get to that point. At the time I had little option.

so you have no idea how many there were and even with a dog didn't know enough to bail out? Grab a cell phone, duck and call a cruiser to swing by. Call 911 from your landline and just leave the phone behind.

Having a gun is not going to help you. I'd get some self-defense classes pronto and learn to acknowledge warning signs esp. a dog. I have a 60lb red heeler/lab mix.

When he goes apeshit at the door the first thing I am doing is going to a flanking window to see WTF is up. Next if I see crap I usually pack my kabar, some Fox 5.3, grab my dog, arm the alarm on 'stay' and have my wife ready to deploy the panic. I go out the back and around to check what's up. Usually the dog, having a knife in plain sight and just presenting myself has them move along. Smart thing for me to do would probably be just stay inside usually though. I am not going to the door with my knife for every knock I get though.

Not all dogs are suited to defense and I don't believe anyone should keep attack dogs in a residental area, but that is another issue.

Most of the time it's just punks or dumbasses though and a dog is enough to just bark. When he barks and they still are coming then you pretty much know it's not going to be a polite encounter.

What was the target of the home invasion? They are hardly even truly random. 9 times out of 10 usually the person is found out to be or live with a drug user.

You are more likely to be burglarized while away than ever home invaded. You are more likely to walk in on that burglary turning it into a robbery than being home invaded, worse is them already finding your weapons.

 

[alkemyst]

Actually the exact opposite is true. Licensed gun owners have a record of being some of the most law abiding people around. Here's some conviction rates for CHL holders in Texas going back to '96.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/convrates.htm



Bullshit. Get some facts to back that up. Here's a fact, most CHL permits require you to not only pass a written exam, but a practical shooting exercise too.



More complete and utter bullshit. Facts, get some, they're good for you.

convictions don't prove anything. You are talking to me like I am against guns though...you don't even know the battle you are fighting.

The written exam and practical are usually all taught in an afternoon to people buying and using their first gun. Hardly worth bragging about.

At a gun show many are talking about getting a gun because they are afraid. Are you denying that? Are you saying more gun owners that are looking to protect themselves have also taken even a basic self-defense course?

Most that own guns, bought them out of fear, fired a few hundred rounds at first and then thrown them in a drawer or put them up in the closet.

You act that gun accidents are all a fabrication of our media.

It's the few that know WTF they are doing and those are the ones that should own guns.

 

[xj0hnx]

convictions don't prove anything. You are talking to me like I am against guns though...you don't even know the battle you are fighting.

The written exam and practical are usually all taught in an afternoon to people buying and using their first gun. Hardly worth bragging about.

At a gun show many are talking about getting a gun because they are afraid. Are you denying that? Are you saying more gun owners that are looking to protect themselves have also taken even a basic self-defense course?

Most that own guns, bought them out of fear, fired a few hundred rounds at first and then thrown them in a drawer or put them up in the closet.

You act that gun accidents are all a fabrication of our media.

It's the few that know WTF they are doing and those are the ones that should own guns.

Facts, get some, your opinions are not facts.

 

[alkemyst]

Facts, get some, your opinions are not facts.

they are facts, you think they are opinion since you are somehow biased.

Just the fact that you are using those that registered and picked up a concealed carry license as mostly non-criminals in an attempt to prove anything about gun ownership not harming anyone is a laugh.

I am not sure on Texas, but here just having a gun on you during a crime brings mandatory sentencing. Any previous felonies also excuse you. Many that move on to violent crimes had previous felony convictions.

Again I am not saying guns are bad...it's totally the wrong type of people that own them that do it.

I know here I read more about those shooting someone than defending themselves.

 

[xj0hnx]

they are facts, you think they are opinion since you are somehow biased.

"The written exam and practical are usually all taught in an afternoon to people buying and using their first gun. Hardly worth bragging about."

"At a gun show many are talking about getting a gun because they are afraid."

"Most that own guns, bought them out of fear, fired a few hundred rounds at first and then thrown them in a drawer or put them up in the closet."

"They are dangerous to be around due to overreaction and tending to attempt to create a more unamerican America out of their fear."

Not a single one of those statements is a fact ...not a single one. They may be your assumptions based on your observations, but they are not facts.

 

[Red Dawn]

Who is "excited" about it? Sounds like the loony left is getting more excited than Spidey07, just look at Perk's foam flecked rant.

And you don't have to live in a third world shit hole to be attacked. My father was home invaded, chased them out with a 12 gauge, the building next to our old apartment had a home invasion at noon, son was shot in the stomach, there was also not too long ago a mother and her kids home invaded coming home from the grocery, the son wound up getting free, getting his fathers handgun and blowing one of the invader's face off. Shit happens everywhere.

Sounds like you live in a shitty area....even for Texas.

 

[xj0hnx]

Sounds like you live in a shitty area....even for Texas.

It's actually pretty nice, I've lived in a lot worse, that doesn't mean that bad shit doesn't happen. The incident I mentioned where the kid killed the invader happened on what would be considered one of the rich areas, our apartments weren't great, but they were very far from a ghetto, and my dads house is in an upper middle class neighborhood.

 

[bullbert]

LOl classy should be a cop. Man's got instinct.😛 That's like 3 threads in a row you gave low down before it happened.

Shouldn't that have said 'Detective/Inspector/Investigator' and not just 'cop'?

 

[nobodyknows]

Well I'll let you find the link 😉. But on one of the Knoxville papers one of the guys friends posted that Robert had recently gotten clean. And the sheriffs department stated



Can........you........read?

In other words you have no proof that Robert was dealing drugs let alone that his Dad was in on it which is why you ASSUMED he didn't call the cops right away. Gotcha.

 

[nobodyknows]

I just scored a Beretta 1201FP for $299. It takes 2 3/4 and 3" shells. :thumbsup:


You have never seen 2 3/4 buckshot shells? Go to Wal-Mart 😛

No, you misread. I've never seen low base buckshot, only high base.

 

[HumblePie]

Just to throw in my 2 cents.

First off, I don't currently own a gun. Haven't for a few years, but been thinking about getting one again. I've never been home invaded. Why would I own a gun or have owned one in the past? One, they are fun to shoot on a range. Actually down the street from me is a skeet range. I am a computer geek and like playing first person shooters. But it is also fun to get out of the house, and do some shooting with a gun in real life on some targets.

However, owning a gun for self defense is also nice as well. My mom owns a hand guns and likes going up to the range at the pro base shop nearby for shooting it. She also bought it for self defense, but has never needed to use it for that purpose. And hopefully she never will. Neither I nor anyone I really know that owns a gun constantly thinks about it or obsesses about it. We take it out on ranges every month or so for some fun, and then lock it up in safe the rest of the time usually. If we know we might have to go to an area of town with higher crime rate, my mom might put the gun in her purse, but that's about it. It's just there in case.

Also, about answering the door with the gun in hand, doing it at 5pm when the door rings is a bit retarded. If it's daylight, I check the peephole or nearby window, and see what's up. Now, if someone is outside my door at 3am, I would probably grab the gun and bring it along with me.

As for the gun safe it's a keypad based lock. Just a few buttons pressed and it's open if you know the combo. Much faster to get the gun out than a safe requiring a physical key or a spin lock. If someone does break into the home while I am away then I am fairly certain they are not getting into the safe. This means if I come back to a burglary in progress then the only weapons they would have would be ones they brought themselves.

Personally though, since I am not into hunting, I would only want a shotgun in the home and a maybe a handgun for traveling to areas that may not be so safe. I think of guns like I think of the lock on my door or the alarm system to my home. I just there as another deterrent except when I'm using out having fun with one at a practice range.

 

[OutHouse]

I am not going to get into another gun thread, but this story doesn't sound right. Why would armed intruders knock on a door, then shoot through? Armed intruders blasting through a door usually don't knock as the old guy is saying.

umm maybe to kill the guy as he walks up to the door?

anyway im glad one of those bastards is dead and the other got shot. I feel really bad for the guy for losing his son and his girlfriend. he has emotional trauma that will never go away just because of these two assholes.

 

[nobodyknows]

Spidey, you are driven by emotion...fear.

Do you live in a detached house even (I hope you do)? Do you own a security system? Have proper lighting around your home? etc.

I have heard all this before. Fight the good fight and do all that it takes, but then you hear: Security system...no, too expensive and they just make false alarms. Lighting...no can't sleep with lights on and they cost too much to power. Good locks....no, my standard deadbolt is just fine....self defense training...no, I may get hurt and I have no time. Dog...no I'd have to walk them.

because I got my gun. Yippie Ki Yay!

Mutherfuker!!

Even if these people had done all you suggest you still need a gun. Even a gun didn't stop these asshats from shooting right through the door, so you better add bullet proof door to your list too.

 

[nick1985]

No, you misread. I've never seen low base buckshot, only high base.

Ah. My mistake

 

[Fear No Evil]

Lol, this thread keeps delivering for me in such highly idiosyncratic ways!

This time the gem is a song by one of my fav Canadian groups, Moxy Fruvous:

Michigan Militia! 😀

You keep delivering. The troll. You are every bit what you accuse Spidey of being and more. Not only are you trolling, you are off-topic on most of it derailing the thread, and of course you lace in a bunch of personal attacks on top of it.

I guess I see why you keep doing it though, the 12 year olds here seem to love it.

 

[heyheybooboo]

You keep delivering. The troll. You are every bit what you accuse Spidey of being and more. Not only are you trolling, you are off-topic on most of it derailing the thread, and of course you lace in a bunch of personal attacks on top of it.

I guess I see why you keep doing it though, the 12 year olds here seem to love it.