Home business forced to join Union in Michigan... forced to pay union dues. WTF!

[nobodyknows]

So.... fuck the poor?

If you'd bother to read the thread instead of trying to go for the quick kill you'd see that I support and have always supported the tax credit for child care. I'm just saying call it what it really is, a subsidy for businesses so they don't have to pay their help enough money so their employees with kids can afford to pay for child care out of there wages.

 

[Vic]

Don't suck at the govt teat... problem solved.

 

[Ningbot]

If you'd bother to read the thread instead of trying to go for the quick kill you'd see that I support and have always supported the tax credit for child care. I'm just saying call it what it really is, a subsidy for businesses so they don't have to pay their help enough money so their employees with kids can afford to pay for child care out of there wages.

Sir,
You are an awesome example of how simple atoms and physics can create some extremely complex and inspiring systems that in the end are not what one could have hoped for.
Perhaps we should stop subsidizing airline companies so that we can prevent "poor people" and maybe even people like you, from flying outside the your local area. I hear $5,000 coach class plane tickets from Seattle to San Francisco are selling like hotcakes. I wonder how much first class would be. Maybe if the airlines paid their employees enough money to buy these tickets then the airline companies wont need government handouts either.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/sep/19/nation/na-air19

http://www.tripso.com/today/after-years-of-airline-subsidies-how-about-a-payback-for-taxpayers/

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on a serious side - I would say that subsidies are a very complex mechanism and to try to simplify this low income family assistance program as a goverment handout to small daycare owners is a bad injustice to the daycare owner. Most of the time these low income families already have a very hard time finding daycares that will take them. This is simply because it is a huge hassle for a daycare owner to deal with or even just get paid regularly from the goverment. Not to mention all of the paperwork required to try and make sure no one is stealing from the goverment. Once you remove the remaining daycares by penalizing them with a forced union requirement then all you have left are poor families that will either have to stop working all together or find some other way to survive with the small amount of money they already dont have, usually by way of some government program.

 

[werepossum]

It's amazing that the government forces small businesses to join and subsidize a union whose main function will be to try to force the government into making greater payments for bigger subsidies. It's almost like the intention is just to grow the size and power of government. Oh wait . . .

 

[cubby1223]

Why is she getting subsidies in the first place?

Because politicians like votes. At some point they wanted the votes of mothers, and decided to shift the expenses of child care away from the mothers and on to the taxpayers.

 

[cubby1223]

It's amazing that the government forces small businesses to join and subsidize a union whose main function will be to try to force the government into making greater payments for bigger subsidies. It's almost like the intention is just to grow the size and power of government. Oh wait . . .

[Helen Lovejoy] Won't somebody please think of the children? [/Helen Lovejoy]

 

[Hacp]

This problem can easily be solved by taking away the funding. Get rid of the subsidies. Return the money to taxpayers. Then laugh as the unions choke without government supoort.

 

[cubby1223]

This problem can easily be solved by taking away the funding. Get rid of the subsidies. Return the money to taxpayers. Then laugh as the unions choke without government supoort.

It's a cyclical problem.

Take the money away from unions, and you take away money from the Democratic Party campaigns. They'll never stop shuffling around our money.

 

[Darwin333]

If you'd bother to read the thread instead of trying to go for the quick kill you'd see that I support and have always supported the tax credit for child care. I'm just saying call it what it really is, a subsidy for businesses so they don't have to pay their help enough money so their employees with kids can afford to pay for child care out of there wages.

Really? Here I was thinking it was a program to help the poor pay for childcare while they try to not be poor anymore. Silly me, its just for the, generally very small, child care businesses. They must have one hellofa lobby to get all those subsidies.

Are food stamps really just for Walmart?

 

[Darwin333]

This problem can easily be solved by taking away the funding. Get rid of the subsidies. Return the money to taxpayers. Then laugh as the unions choke without government supoort.

So... fuck the poor?

Come on folks, this is a program that actually gives people a hand up and allows them to work. Without the subsidy a low paying job would barely cover the costs of child care, to the point that its almost pointless to work at all. Do we want to help people get on their feet or just keep paying for them to be poor?

Just because the unions have figured a way to skim money off of a program doesn't mean the entire program needs to go away. We should be advocating programs that help people get on their feet instead of programs that entice people to stay poor.

 

[OutHouse]

So... fuck the poor?

Come on folks, this is a program that actually gives people a hand up and allows them to work. Without the subsidy a low paying job would barely cover the costs of child care, to the point that its almost pointless to work at all. Do we want to help people get on their feet or just keep paying for them to be poor?

Just because the unions have figured a way to skim money off of a program doesn't mean the entire program needs to go away. We should be advocating programs that help people get on their feet instead of programs that entice people to stay poor.

well said.

 

[piasabird]

The key here is they receiving child car subsidies from the Government. If you take government money then you have to live by government rules. Just send back the government money and tell the government to go to hell.

We should be advocating fewer government programs and free enterprise.

My guess is that they receive money for kids who parents are on welfare or underemployed. Either that or some kind of free luch program like they have at schools.

 

[piasabird]

I think the solution is to get enough signers and form an alternative union and call for a new union vote. You have to know how to fight these people.

 

[Fear No Evil]

The key here is they receiving child car subsidies from the Government. If you take government money then you have to live by government rules. Just send back the government money and tell the government to go to hell.

We should be advocating fewer government programs and free enterprise.

My guess is that they receive money for kids who parents are on welfare or underemployed. Either that or some kind of free luch program like they have at schools.

You mean like the banks who sent back the money they were forced to take and the government has since left them alone? Yeah, just send it back. THAT works.