i agree with jack burton-most of the people on AT are geeks, computer geeks with not much business savvy. Let's forget about those classic business theories, and let's boil it down to how much money you're gonna make-50 bucks for at least 20 hours over the next 3 years (yeah 20 hours seems very small for 3 years, but let's say these people can learn about computers. Wow a whole 2+ bucks an hour. People state about how the family can learn, but I disagree. When I was a total n00b, I would call dell cuz I had no idea what to do. Dell's got a long wait, hmm maybe I can figure it out myself. You live a whole five blocks from these people. On top of it, you're a young fourteen year old-they're much older, and in a power relationship dominate you. So you abide by their command, and must do this-I know you're a good kid and an even better friend, but don't do it.
waitman
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yep I started charging minimum 30 service fee + 25.00 dollars an hour for all who used to be freebies. Don't get many calls from them anymore. I did get some free screwed up pc's, when they bought new HP's and Dells. Worked out beautifully I thinnk:laugh:
MtnMan
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I have built at least a dozen PC's for myself and family. Just put togeather a machine today for a grandson. Figured I would never buy a "brand name" PC again, then I got a link to Dell's deals, and I also own 3 Dell PowerEdge servers. These are nice units, and are almost completely silent which is really nice when you have 3 of the them within arms reach. Case is a clamshell type and easy to get into, change or add stuff, and nicely built. And if you find it at the right time, they can be had for as little as $249. 349 will get one that supports HyperThreading, and they all support dual channel ECC RAM.
Oh yea, Dell 1 year on site warrenty included
Oh yea, Dell 1 year on site warrenty included
Hey Docta! I just saw this bundle in another thread. Great price on it, if you can deal with mwave, and the shipping and tax dont kill it for you. If you are on the hook for tech sup, may want to go newegg for everything.
CHAINTECH VNF3-250 BUNDLE W/ COOLING FAN, FarCry, AMD Athlon 64 2800+ for 214. 3000+ for $20 more.
Edit: heh: I am just about to get a Duron 1.6 myself. A stable OC setup is a cheap way to go, might be a touch louder than Dell. If they are on a crappy setup now, they will still be amazed!
CHAINTECH VNF3-250 BUNDLE W/ COOLING FAN, FarCry, AMD Athlon 64 2800+ for 214. 3000+ for $20 more.
Edit: heh: I am just about to get a Duron 1.6 myself. A stable OC setup is a cheap way to go, might be a touch louder than Dell. If they are on a crappy setup now, they will still be amazed!
MtnMan correctly points out 2 things about Dells:
1) The specials matter alot in the value that you get. Double RAM, flat panel, printer w/camera are some.
2) They are most all nice and quiet.
Look dude..
My system is including a 6800 GT that was 430 bucks... the rest of my stuff fit under what was left of the 1000.00 budget..
In your build you got a half memory crippeled card that is very low in the reviews PCE will not save this card from beign a dog.
you also got a regular DVD player.. that would cost me about 15 dollars US...
I got a 12x burner not a player..
I already had 4 SATA drives I did not need another..
I did not buy a LCD monitor they dont have the Picture quality IMO that a very nice tube monitor does.. sure they look cool and take up less space on my desk but a 21 inch LCD is 1000s of dollars.. not worth it at all..
my board has Gigabyte ethernet..
6 sata drives
RAID is integrated
7.1 built in audio..( but I Use my left over audigy from my other system)
and other key features... and guess what.. its faster and its a standard form factor..
next year I yank my MB and Proc and spend maybe another 500 bucks to be current again.
you cannot do that with a Dell..
you have to replace everything... bad investment sence if you ask me..
sure you can be an early adopter on PCE which in my oppionion isnt worth it for at least another 10 months..
and guess what my 64 will still stomp the bejezus outa that steaming pile of Dell shit
without DDr2 or PCE, number one becasue thier motherboards are proven slower over and over again...
they are a propietary form factor that you cannot upgrade to a name brand motherboard without changing your case..
they can throw thier 5 dollar POS printer and thier crappy office suite software at me all day long.. that still doesnt make thier crappy send you to f0rking India support and not beign able to upgrade my Main board not fuckign worth it..
I have serviced many many Dells over the years as well as Compaqs..
next time you try to use that recovery disk ask yourself this...
if Dell is so good at building a system, how come Windows XP will NOT detect ANY OF THIER COMPONANTS... you need a seperate Dell CD that has all the drivers becasue even XP cannot detect thier proprietary BS..
You must work for Dell or get off on ass forking your family and friends by sending them to Dell to get as$raped by them. Not me ever again... everyone of my friends that bought a Dell in the last 2 years has had to deal with thier crappy tech support..
and guess what on top of the other problems.. by supporting Dell you are also Supporting Outsourcing to India causing many of us Tech people to lose US jobs.. yet another reason to kick Dell in the ass...
Budmantom
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I bought my Dell April 13th.
Dell 4600
3.4ghz
1gb ram
200gb hd
9800 pro
dvd+rw
XP
I spent just under $1000, if you look you can find a great deal but Dell's aren't for everyone. If your talking dollars and cents you can't beat Dell but if you want to be "the computer guy", well you can't put a price on that.
Tom
Dell 4600
3.4ghz
1gb ram
200gb hd
9800 pro
dvd+rw
XP
I spent just under $1000, if you look you can find a great deal but Dell's aren't for everyone. If your talking dollars and cents you can't beat Dell but if you want to be "the computer guy", well you can't put a price on that.
Tom
I think some of the above computers are good except for MMORPGs 1GB of memory is almost a must for decent loading times and performance.
Just to recap: All prices taken from pricewatch. Took lowest price...and you said you didn't use wholesale.
OS?: 200 for home, 300 for pro
AMD 64 3000+: 163
Asus K8n-e: 137
Kingston 3200 (assuming 512x2=1Gig): 162
6800GT: 430
12X Liteon Dvd burner: 76
Logitech keyboard and Mouse: estimate $40 (very generous)
New PSU and Case: $40 (for a POS!!)
"50 to make things stand out": 50
6 SATA Drives: well, I found the cheapest drive and its 80: 80x6= 480
LCD: 99 (Pulled a nice lcd out of your butt and I'm still figuring this in for ya)
hrmm.....
Total: 2075
You must not be adding correctly...
EDIT: Noticed you must have meant 6 SATA ports..... so -480 still makes 1595, but without a HD.
other notable quotes:
"if Dell is so good at building a system, how come Windows XP will NOT detect ANY OF THIER COMPONANTS... you need a seperate Dell CD that has all the drivers becasue even XP cannot detect thier proprietary BS.."
-Funny....I work as a Client technician and we have 16 different models of dells ranging from a GX1 to a GX280 and Laptops from CPX-J to the new D800 and the drivers are fine. Only drivers I had to load were the new versions for Wifi, display, and sound....like any other computer. Your argument doesn't hold much water.
"next year I yank my MB and Proc and spend maybe another 500 bucks to be current again.
you cannot do that with a Dell..
you have to replace everything... bad investment sence if you ask me.."
who says you cant do the same with dell parts, just buy a POS case like yours and new mobo/proc and you'd be all set.
"by supporting Dell you are also Supporting Outsourcing to India causing many of us Tech people to lose US jobs"
-Are you just coming up with stuff directly from your colon? or borrowing this from someone else?
OS?: 200 for home, 300 for pro wrong 120 bucks for XP pro from directron.com if you need to buy which I dont..
AMD 64 3000+: 163
Asus K8n-e: 137
Kingston 3200 (assuming 512x2=1Gig): 162
6800GT: 399
12X Liteon Dvd burner: =59 bucks on special at directron.com
Logitech keyboard and Mouse: estimate 15 bucks total open box special on Logitech Mouse and keyboard with compaq logo..
New PSU and Case: 64 bucks for a Open box Lian Li with 420 watt dual fan PSU
"50 to make things stand out": 50
6 SATA Drives: already had from previous box.
CRT: Not an LCD I do not like LCDs.. CRT 21 inch .25 veiwsonic
$1120... US dollars
$690. without my big bad vid card... not that bad if you ask me..
everything except the Video card was purchased from www.directron.com which is 5 minutes from my house...
if you can actually walk in you get better prices as well as beign able to look at thier clearance and scratch and dent stuff which I got my case from which retails for 130 bucks if it had not been scratched..
AMD 64 3000+: 163
Asus K8n-e: 137
Kingston 3200 (assuming 512x2=1Gig): 162
6800GT: 399
12X Liteon Dvd burner: =59 bucks on special at directron.com
Logitech keyboard and Mouse: estimate 15 bucks total open box special on Logitech Mouse and keyboard with compaq logo..
New PSU and Case: 64 bucks for a Open box Lian Li with 420 watt dual fan PSU
"50 to make things stand out": 50
6 SATA Drives: already had from previous box.
CRT: Not an LCD I do not like LCDs.. CRT 21 inch .25 veiwsonic
$1120... US dollars
$690. without my big bad vid card... not that bad if you ask me..
everything except the Video card was purchased from www.directron.com which is 5 minutes from my house...
if you can actually walk in you get better prices as well as beign able to look at thier clearance and scratch and dent stuff which I got my case from which retails for 130 bucks if it had not been scratched..
jacktesterson
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"if Dell is so good at building a system, how come Windows XP will NOT detect ANY OF THIER COMPONANTS... you need a seperate Dell CD that has all the drivers becasue even XP cannot detect thier proprietary BS.."
-Funny....I work as a Client technician and we have 16 different models of dells ranging from a GX1 to a GX280 and Laptops from CPX-J to the new D800 and the drivers are fine. Only drivers I had to load were the new versions for Wifi, display, and sound....like any other computer. Your argument doesn't hold much water.
"next year I yank my MB and Proc and spend maybe another 500 bucks to be current again.
you cannot do that with a Dell..
you have to replace everything... bad investment sence if you ask me.."
who says you cant do the same with dell parts, just buy a POS case like yours and new mobo/proc and you'd be all set.
"by supporting Dell you are also Supporting Outsourcing to India causing many of us Tech people to lose US jobs"
-Are you just coming up with stuff directly from your colon? or borrowing this from someone else?
where to start with this BS...
I too am a Corporate IT desktop tech.. I am also a Senior level Tier 3 Help Desk tech
we use POS compaqs here but that is besides the point...
Every single Dell dimension I have ever had the displeasure of reformating has not installed Video (other than VGA) modem.. network... or sound.. without using the supplied disk that Dell Provides that says Driver Support Disk on it...
In a corporate environment your experience may be true .. as when Dell works with corporate customers they usually build a Image and ship it to your IT department so they can build a real working Image when the CPUs arrive.. this would include drivers for all the machines purchased..
However for the home user they send a generic CD that has all the drivers for that particular series of PCs on it that the user must install after they load thier PC with the system restore CD..
#2 yes you can but why should you have to buy things 2 times when you spend the kind of money on a Dell or any other PC to not get a real Form factor supported by the rest of the world...
thats my point... if you build your own or have a smaller local shop build you a CPU you will not have to do this next year.. just a quick Mobo swap and your done...
previous to me splurging on this new case.. I had been using the same Inwin case for 7 years it was an old Inwin Server Tower Case that weighs about 30 lbs.. but it served me through at least 5 differnt Mobo/CPU set ups in 7 years... thats a 100 dollar a PC build savings 500 dollar savings in 5 years not having to buy another 100 dollar case...
#3 you dont follow the buisiness news at all do you?
CNN and the WSJ and many other large newspapers and other business publications have all lumped Dell in with IBM and HP for having some of the largest amount of tech jobs Outsourced to India...
Anderson Cooper 360 on CNN did an entire hour long show on this and called Dell by name as one of the worst offenders for outsourcing thier helpdesk.
I live in Houston and when they cut thier helpdesks in Austin to do this it made front business page news here..
HP did the same thing when they took over for Compaq here in Houston we lost a crapload of helpdesk and other IT jobs that can be outsourced...
Sorry you may not like what I have to say but I would not lie just to belittle Dell or anyone else for no reason..
If they actually made a good box with mainstream parts and using parts that were not Proprientary then I would have no problem with Dell or HP..
Alienware or FalconNW do this but at much to high a cost...
-Funny....I work as a Client technician and we have 16 different models of dells ranging from a GX1 to a GX280 and Laptops from CPX-J to the new D800 and the drivers are fine. Only drivers I had to load were the new versions for Wifi, display, and sound....like any other computer. Your argument doesn't hold much water.
"next year I yank my MB and Proc and spend maybe another 500 bucks to be current again.
you cannot do that with a Dell..
you have to replace everything... bad investment sence if you ask me.."
who says you cant do the same with dell parts, just buy a POS case like yours and new mobo/proc and you'd be all set.
"by supporting Dell you are also Supporting Outsourcing to India causing many of us Tech people to lose US jobs"
-Are you just coming up with stuff directly from your colon? or borrowing this from someone else?
where to start with this BS...
I too am a Corporate IT desktop tech.. I am also a Senior level Tier 3 Help Desk tech
we use POS compaqs here but that is besides the point...
Every single Dell dimension I have ever had the displeasure of reformating has not installed Video (other than VGA) modem.. network... or sound.. without using the supplied disk that Dell Provides that says Driver Support Disk on it...
In a corporate environment your experience may be true .. as when Dell works with corporate customers they usually build a Image and ship it to your IT department so they can build a real working Image when the CPUs arrive.. this would include drivers for all the machines purchased..
However for the home user they send a generic CD that has all the drivers for that particular series of PCs on it that the user must install after they load thier PC with the system restore CD..
#2 yes you can but why should you have to buy things 2 times when you spend the kind of money on a Dell or any other PC to not get a real Form factor supported by the rest of the world...
thats my point... if you build your own or have a smaller local shop build you a CPU you will not have to do this next year.. just a quick Mobo swap and your done...
previous to me splurging on this new case.. I had been using the same Inwin case for 7 years it was an old Inwin Server Tower Case that weighs about 30 lbs.. but it served me through at least 5 differnt Mobo/CPU set ups in 7 years... thats a 100 dollar a PC build savings 500 dollar savings in 5 years not having to buy another 100 dollar case...
#3 you dont follow the buisiness news at all do you?
CNN and the WSJ and many other large newspapers and other business publications have all lumped Dell in with IBM and HP for having some of the largest amount of tech jobs Outsourced to India...
Anderson Cooper 360 on CNN did an entire hour long show on this and called Dell by name as one of the worst offenders for outsourcing thier helpdesk.
I live in Houston and when they cut thier helpdesks in Austin to do this it made front business page news here..
HP did the same thing when they took over for Compaq here in Houston we lost a crapload of helpdesk and other IT jobs that can be outsourced...
Sorry you may not like what I have to say but I would not lie just to belittle Dell or anyone else for no reason..
If they actually made a good box with mainstream parts and using parts that were not Proprientary then I would have no problem with Dell or HP..
Alienware or FalconNW do this but at much to high a cost...
jacktesterson
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120 bucks for XP pro from directron.com if you need to buy which I dont.. (Well yes you do need to buy it if you are building it for someone else)
AMD 64 3000+: 163
Asus K8n-e: 137
Kingston 3200 (assuming 512x2=1Gig): 162
6800GT: 399
12X Liteon Dvd burner: =59 bucks on special at directron.com
Logitech keyboard and Mouse: estimate 15 bucks total open box special on Logitech Mouse and keyboard with compaq logo.. (Look dude, this ain't the Salvation Army. You build a new machine for someone, don't go ghetto style with open box crap. If you like that stuff fine, but when someone wants a new machine, the parts better be retail or OEM. Don't give me this, I bought this from a guy off the street for $5 crap. We'll add $50 here for a good keyboard mouse.)
New PSU and Case: 64 bucks for a Open box Lian Li with 420 watt dual fan PSU (Again, this is a one time thing that you found. When you build a machine for someone, unless you have a warehouse that can provide you with that price EVERY time, then I suggest you use REAL prices. We'll use $80 here for a REAL case and PSU that is equivalent to the Dell)
6 SATA Drives: already had from previous box. (WTF is wrong with you? You are building this for SOMEONE ELSE. Are you going to give them a complimentary drive every time too? We'll add a generous $90 here for a 160GB SATA drive.)
CRT: Not an LCD I do not like LCDs.. CRT 21 inch .25 veiwsonic (The monitor is a non-issue. If you want a Dell fine. If you want to buy a scratched up monitor for some else fine. You don't HAVE to buy the monitor from Dell)
If my math is correct, that is $1250 without the bling bling. Now I hope that CPU is not OEM becaue you'll need to add a few more bucks for the HSF. So let's say an even $1300. The Dell I configured did have a DVD-ROM drive but I consider it a wash since I also included a better sound card. The reason I didn't add a 6800 GT into the price is, because they don't have a PCI-E version out yet. And it's PCI-E NOT PCE genius. Also notice they get a printer with the Dell too with added software they may like. And what is all this "Dell's boards have been proven to be slower" crap? Seriously dude, you REALLY shouldn't be building machines for other people, since you have no idea what you're talkign about. Dell uses Intel chipsets and are extremely close to Intel's reference boards. Any speed difference from like boards will show VERY little difference in performance. And while you are swapping out your mainboard for a newer one, the Dell can be easily upgraded to a much faster CPU in the future since Intel's 775 socket will be around for a good while. It also has the PCI-E which is the interface graphic cards will be using for a looong time. But let's compare now apples to apples.
Your machine $1300 with no extra software or printer.
Or Dell for $1500 (if you are going to add a 6800 GT PCI-E card in the future).
Apparently you are a worthless individual as time is worth nothing to you. You'll be building and supporting this machine for years to come, all for less than $200.
Go job dude, you're a real genius.
And what is up with this XP won't detect Dell hardware? Dell has a restore disc genius! It's an IMAGE. No need to do anything else except put the disk in and reboot. Maybe I have a POS 6800 GT because XP wouldn't recognize it either without the drivers I downloaded and installed from nVidia. :roll:
AMD 64 3000+: 163
Asus K8n-e: 137
Kingston 3200 (assuming 512x2=1Gig): 162
6800GT: 399
12X Liteon Dvd burner: =59 bucks on special at directron.com
Logitech keyboard and Mouse: estimate 15 bucks total open box special on Logitech Mouse and keyboard with compaq logo.. (Look dude, this ain't the Salvation Army. You build a new machine for someone, don't go ghetto style with open box crap. If you like that stuff fine, but when someone wants a new machine, the parts better be retail or OEM. Don't give me this, I bought this from a guy off the street for $5 crap. We'll add $50 here for a good keyboard mouse.)
New PSU and Case: 64 bucks for a Open box Lian Li with 420 watt dual fan PSU (Again, this is a one time thing that you found. When you build a machine for someone, unless you have a warehouse that can provide you with that price EVERY time, then I suggest you use REAL prices. We'll use $80 here for a REAL case and PSU that is equivalent to the Dell)
6 SATA Drives: already had from previous box. (WTF is wrong with you? You are building this for SOMEONE ELSE. Are you going to give them a complimentary drive every time too? We'll add a generous $90 here for a 160GB SATA drive.)
CRT: Not an LCD I do not like LCDs.. CRT 21 inch .25 veiwsonic (The monitor is a non-issue. If you want a Dell fine. If you want to buy a scratched up monitor for some else fine. You don't HAVE to buy the monitor from Dell)
If my math is correct, that is $1250 without the bling bling. Now I hope that CPU is not OEM becaue you'll need to add a few more bucks for the HSF. So let's say an even $1300. The Dell I configured did have a DVD-ROM drive but I consider it a wash since I also included a better sound card. The reason I didn't add a 6800 GT into the price is, because they don't have a PCI-E version out yet. And it's PCI-E NOT PCE genius. Also notice they get a printer with the Dell too with added software they may like. And what is all this "Dell's boards have been proven to be slower" crap? Seriously dude, you REALLY shouldn't be building machines for other people, since you have no idea what you're talkign about. Dell uses Intel chipsets and are extremely close to Intel's reference boards. Any speed difference from like boards will show VERY little difference in performance. And while you are swapping out your mainboard for a newer one, the Dell can be easily upgraded to a much faster CPU in the future since Intel's 775 socket will be around for a good while. It also has the PCI-E which is the interface graphic cards will be using for a looong time. But let's compare now apples to apples.
Your machine $1300 with no extra software or printer.
Or Dell for $1500 (if you are going to add a 6800 GT PCI-E card in the future).
Apparently you are a worthless individual as time is worth nothing to you. You'll be building and supporting this machine for years to come, all for less than $200.
Go job dude, you're a real genius.
And what is up with this XP won't detect Dell hardware? Dell has a restore disc genius! It's an IMAGE. No need to do anything else except put the disk in and reboot. Maybe I have a POS 6800 GT because XP wouldn't recognize it either without the drivers I downloaded and installed from nVidia. :roll:
hey f@ck@ you pal.. I have about 16 years exp building and maintaining systems..
every f@ckign Dell I have done sends you 2 disks...
1 says restore disk this has the OS on it...
the other says Driver Support Disk...
which has every driver that Dell ships for any of the series..
and NOT none of the times I have put in the CD on a DEAD Dell has it installed anything but the VGA default driver in XP home Or Pro using thier gay ass restore...
You want to get personal with the attacks f@ck you...
my mouse and keyboard are BRAND new.. they are logitech BUT they say Compaq on them isntead of logitech..
these were brand new in a brown box never been used...
and yes I can get these deals over and over again because I do live next to a warehouse and I have wholesale accounts I can use if I want to pay f@ckign huge taxes at the end of the year...
Directron gives me a discount because I do volume business with them...
any local shop can get the same discount even lower if they use the wholesalers account to buy.. and therefore pass the savings on to thier customers...
and IF i was to build for someone I sure as hell would not charge them 200+ bucks to build...
when I do side jobs I do it for a good price to keep peeps away from getting ripped off by Frys or Best Buy or ChumpUsa... and I do alot of business on the side..
I am not greedy person and I beleive in saving money but getting a good product.. corporate america does not beleive in this they beleive in selling a shoddy product and making a huge profit on it...
I never f@cking said I WANT TO BUILD A SYSTEM FOR ANYONE...
I said go to your local smaller store and they can build with good componants over your and I stand by what I said PIECE OF F0KING SHT Dell Motherboards....
Intel referrence my freaking dead ass..
Compare bench marks from 2 identicle systems.. 1 made by dell the other built from premium parts... by anyone say Alienware for example...
That alienware with the REAL intel board is gonna stomp the living crap outa the Dell..
Im sorry but like I said you must work for Dell or one of their closest clients..
every f@ckign Dell I have done sends you 2 disks...
1 says restore disk this has the OS on it...
the other says Driver Support Disk...
which has every driver that Dell ships for any of the series..
and NOT none of the times I have put in the CD on a DEAD Dell has it installed anything but the VGA default driver in XP home Or Pro using thier gay ass restore...
You want to get personal with the attacks f@ck you...
my mouse and keyboard are BRAND new.. they are logitech BUT they say Compaq on them isntead of logitech..
these were brand new in a brown box never been used...
and yes I can get these deals over and over again because I do live next to a warehouse and I have wholesale accounts I can use if I want to pay f@ckign huge taxes at the end of the year...
Directron gives me a discount because I do volume business with them...
any local shop can get the same discount even lower if they use the wholesalers account to buy.. and therefore pass the savings on to thier customers...
and IF i was to build for someone I sure as hell would not charge them 200+ bucks to build...
when I do side jobs I do it for a good price to keep peeps away from getting ripped off by Frys or Best Buy or ChumpUsa... and I do alot of business on the side..
I am not greedy person and I beleive in saving money but getting a good product.. corporate america does not beleive in this they beleive in selling a shoddy product and making a huge profit on it...
I never f@cking said I WANT TO BUILD A SYSTEM FOR ANYONE...
I said go to your local smaller store and they can build with good componants over your and I stand by what I said PIECE OF F0KING SHT Dell Motherboards....
Intel referrence my freaking dead ass..
Compare bench marks from 2 identicle systems.. 1 made by dell the other built from premium parts... by anyone say Alienware for example...
That alienware with the REAL intel board is gonna stomp the living crap outa the Dell..
Im sorry but like I said you must work for Dell or one of their closest clients..
Ok, you're just missing the point we had a long while back.
You have built a system by using open box, specials, and parts from a previous box. Which was not part of the original discussion. If you were to BUY NEW parts even the specials your system wouldn't be all that.
If a person is just starting out, why couldn't he/she start with a dell, and then use the parts in a new computer case with mobo/cpu? It's not different at all from what you're doing. You had parts to start and borrowed....which is not an option for someone starting out.
You even said directron hooks you up because of voulme licensing...which means the average person wouldn't have that either. Not everyone has the hookup which was apparent in the beginning of the post. He is trying to build a new system and wanted constructive, intelligent, and factual information.
Dell corporate machine are the EXACT same machines as their consumer. They are just reflashed in the bios. They dont make any "special" images for a corporation.
If you are a corporate IT guy, you would know that no one in their right minds uses the standard image sent by the manufacturer. You build one that suits your company.
The network cards in dells have always been standard 3com's and are compatible all the way back to Win98. The newer cards are the Broadcom Gig's which do require drivers, but that is really small potatos. The audio and video are always loaded on any machine, unless you have some generic AC97 audio.
Why are you comparing a Dell to an ALienware anyway. They are on completely different level.
We never brought up comparing a reference dell board with any other. We merely said Dell systems are great for the price, and it would be extremely difficult to build a system that resembles it based on price.
Oh, hey look...I didn't have to swear to try and get my point across.
You have built a system by using open box, specials, and parts from a previous box. Which was not part of the original discussion. If you were to BUY NEW parts even the specials your system wouldn't be all that.
If a person is just starting out, why couldn't he/she start with a dell, and then use the parts in a new computer case with mobo/cpu? It's not different at all from what you're doing. You had parts to start and borrowed....which is not an option for someone starting out.
You even said directron hooks you up because of voulme licensing...which means the average person wouldn't have that either. Not everyone has the hookup which was apparent in the beginning of the post. He is trying to build a new system and wanted constructive, intelligent, and factual information.
Dell corporate machine are the EXACT same machines as their consumer. They are just reflashed in the bios. They dont make any "special" images for a corporation.
If you are a corporate IT guy, you would know that no one in their right minds uses the standard image sent by the manufacturer. You build one that suits your company.
The network cards in dells have always been standard 3com's and are compatible all the way back to Win98. The newer cards are the Broadcom Gig's which do require drivers, but that is really small potatos. The audio and video are always loaded on any machine, unless you have some generic AC97 audio.
Why are you comparing a Dell to an ALienware anyway. They are on completely different level.
We never brought up comparing a reference dell board with any other. We merely said Dell systems are great for the price, and it would be extremely difficult to build a system that resembles it based on price.
Oh, hey look...I didn't have to swear to try and get my point across.
Well, here is my take. I am capable of building a PC myself and was considering it. I started looking around and pricing parts. I wanted a quiet PC as fan noise drives me up the wall. I had already bought a dirt cheap HD, had a DVD burner, had a LICENSED copy of XP Home, 9700 Pro AGP video card,1GB of PC3200 RAM etc...
Here is what I came up with:
$120 for a quality case/ps
$180 for a2.8 GHz Intel Processor(I could care less about gaming and overclocking)
$130 for an Intel MB.
Total cost of the BASIC system is $430 plus any shipping charges.
I got to looking around and found I could get the Dell Poweredge 400SC for $348 which included the same basic MB and processor AND got great reviews for being a quality QUIET case. Along with the Dell, I also got a 40GB HD, CD drive(nearlly useless), PCI video card(nearlly useless, but figured it does have SOME value if I ever need to flash a faulty AGP video card), floppy drive(I have actually used it!), 128 MB or RAM that I could eBay, Keyboard and Mouse. To replicate ALL the components in the Dell, I would have to spend close to $550. I sold the Ram already and got a $40 refund from Dell when they had a BETTER sale on the 400SC last week. So basically I got the box for $283. I couldn't come CLOSE to building an EQUAL system for the same money and with the new BTX motherboad standard coming up, how long is my NEW case and powersupply going to last anyway.
I downloaded the chipset driver, nic card driver and soundcard driver(although I have read they are included on the Dell support CD), and went to work installing the new system. Installed the 1GB of RAM, replaced the video card, threw in my Windows XP CD installation disc and installed the OS, installed the 3 Dell specific drivers(EVERY box I have ever built required SOME hardware specific drivers, so I don't see needing specific drivers to finish an installation a fault of Dell's), rebooted and the machine was ready to go. Installed Antivirus software adn XP Service Pack 2 RC2, went to windows update and all is well. Every bench mark I have run puts the machine ABOVE its reference for a 2.8GHz machine, I had ZERO problems installing ANY of my hardware, the powersupply is a STANDARD ATX powersupply and a standard supply WILL fit the existing case and motherboard. The box boots quickly, is near dead silent in generic day to day use, unless heavily gaming, then the fan noise is covered by the gaming sounds and seems to have ZERO hardware or software compatibilty issues.
I don't work as IT support for anyone, nor do I have an "In" with any computer hardware supply warehouses. I have to buy my parts from retailers and think newegg is awesome. From what I have experienced, I personally could NOT build an equivilant machine as the Dell PE 400SC. YMMV. GP
Here is what I came up with:
$120 for a quality case/ps
$180 for a2.8 GHz Intel Processor(I could care less about gaming and overclocking)
$130 for an Intel MB.
Total cost of the BASIC system is $430 plus any shipping charges.
I got to looking around and found I could get the Dell Poweredge 400SC for $348 which included the same basic MB and processor AND got great reviews for being a quality QUIET case. Along with the Dell, I also got a 40GB HD, CD drive(nearlly useless), PCI video card(nearlly useless, but figured it does have SOME value if I ever need to flash a faulty AGP video card), floppy drive(I have actually used it!), 128 MB or RAM that I could eBay, Keyboard and Mouse. To replicate ALL the components in the Dell, I would have to spend close to $550. I sold the Ram already and got a $40 refund from Dell when they had a BETTER sale on the 400SC last week. So basically I got the box for $283. I couldn't come CLOSE to building an EQUAL system for the same money and with the new BTX motherboad standard coming up, how long is my NEW case and powersupply going to last anyway.
I downloaded the chipset driver, nic card driver and soundcard driver(although I have read they are included on the Dell support CD), and went to work installing the new system. Installed the 1GB of RAM, replaced the video card, threw in my Windows XP CD installation disc and installed the OS, installed the 3 Dell specific drivers(EVERY box I have ever built required SOME hardware specific drivers, so I don't see needing specific drivers to finish an installation a fault of Dell's), rebooted and the machine was ready to go. Installed Antivirus software adn XP Service Pack 2 RC2, went to windows update and all is well. Every bench mark I have run puts the machine ABOVE its reference for a 2.8GHz machine, I had ZERO problems installing ANY of my hardware, the powersupply is a STANDARD ATX powersupply and a standard supply WILL fit the existing case and motherboard. The box boots quickly, is near dead silent in generic day to day use, unless heavily gaming, then the fan noise is covered by the gaming sounds and seems to have ZERO hardware or software compatibilty issues.
I don't work as IT support for anyone, nor do I have an "In" with any computer hardware supply warehouses. I have to buy my parts from retailers and think newegg is awesome. From what I have experienced, I personally could NOT build an equivilant machine as the Dell PE 400SC. YMMV. GP
I would recommend against it unless your willing to give them tech support. I upgraded a computer for my dad and now everytime there is a problem he thinks it is my fault even though I don't touch it and the hardware is fine.
Look fuchs I was not mad at you or anyone else that was just statign thier oppionions.. the idiot that made me loose my temper is Jack Burton
who went to personal attacks rather than attacks on ones oppinions which is fine...
to gogo I was not talking about the actual power supply ATX style .. If you look closer on your dell case you have number 1.. usally less a less than standard amount of PCI slots allotted in the case..
and number 2 a proprietary plastic block where the accessories on the dell motherboard stick out (where you plug in stuff) in a normal standard ATX case this can be changed depending on what MB you buy...
on a dell you cannot...
about the drivers... my point was that on most systems when you load XP most common items (GeForce's SB brand cards. 3 com NICs etc) are detected by windows with at least an out of date driver..
the Dell systems I have been exposed to all do not detect any of thier hardware at all...
these are all systems built and purchased within 2 years. newer dimensions...
BTW I think this argument stacks up very well when you compare a Dell Vs and Alienware..
When I build a a gaming rig I will usually head there and see what they think is the hottest componants and build roughly using thier recommendations from thier build a system page.
we were talking about performance systems not about a crappy workstation.
Im done arguing .. I will remain pig headed about using Dell for anything other than a server (compaq servers still shred dells though =P) or a workstation as I have had nothing but headaches with them.. In my eyes they are just as bad as Packard Freaking Bell =P and thats baaaaaad..
who went to personal attacks rather than attacks on ones oppinions which is fine...
to gogo I was not talking about the actual power supply ATX style .. If you look closer on your dell case you have number 1.. usally less a less than standard amount of PCI slots allotted in the case..
and number 2 a proprietary plastic block where the accessories on the dell motherboard stick out (where you plug in stuff) in a normal standard ATX case this can be changed depending on what MB you buy...
on a dell you cannot...
about the drivers... my point was that on most systems when you load XP most common items (GeForce's SB brand cards. 3 com NICs etc) are detected by windows with at least an out of date driver..
the Dell systems I have been exposed to all do not detect any of thier hardware at all...
these are all systems built and purchased within 2 years. newer dimensions...
BTW I think this argument stacks up very well when you compare a Dell Vs and Alienware..
When I build a a gaming rig I will usually head there and see what they think is the hottest componants and build roughly using thier recommendations from thier build a system page.
we were talking about performance systems not about a crappy workstation.
Im done arguing .. I will remain pig headed about using Dell for anything other than a server (compaq servers still shred dells though =P) or a workstation as I have had nothing but headaches with them.. In my eyes they are just as bad as Packard Freaking Bell =P and thats baaaaaad..
RE:"I would recommend against it unless your willing to give them tech support. I upgraded a computer for my dad and now everytime there is a problem he thinks it is my fault even though I don't touch it and the hardware is fine."
I hate that too...anything goes wrong and it;s your fault. Basically becaue they think you never could be are smart as DELL...
Next time, let them buy the DELL and refuse to even look at it is something goes wrong.
I have several "spite" accounts like that.
I hate that too...anything goes wrong and it;s your fault. Basically becaue they think you never could be are smart as DELL...
Next time, let them buy the DELL and refuse to even look at it is something goes wrong.
I have several "spite" accounts like that.
I swear dude, you can't get anything right. First off, I'm not the person who doesn't have my facts straight. You're like a retarded parrot that keep repeating, "Dell is crap, Dell is crap," and can't back it up.
Where the hell do you think they get their chipsets from? Is Dell making them now? They use the same chipsets from INTEL that Alienware or Falcon would use. Dell puts together a very SAFE motherboad design which is VERY stable. It comes with 3 PCI slots, 1 PCIe x 1 slot, and 1 PCIe x 16 (graphics) slot, WTF else do you want? It WILL perform very close to any other Intel 925X based board at stock speed.
I also like this comment...
Man, that is a completely moronic statement. LOL, is Dell using FAKE Intel boards? I swear dude, you don't have a clue. I bet you can really pull off that you know what you're talking about at work though. :roll:
I could go on and on and keep tearing down your unsubstantiated arguement but you'll just revert back to, "Dell is crap, Dell is crap," so I'll just stop here, and keep from wasting any more of my time with you. Please, build every in your community a PC. I hope you have a fun time.
And let me leave you with this...
Let me refresh your memory....
Hmmm, that looks like you were calling me stupid. So that would make YOU the one who attacked ME first, right? Hmmm....:roll:
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