Holy Smokes!!! High end CRT's are back in stock!

[Smilin]

archcommus:

Yeah, that was a pretty mediocre CRT.

based on the shadow mask I'm betting your LCD looks much BRIGHTER if nothing else.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: robkas
i could imagine lugging that thing to LANS :disgust:

Wendel does and he's a little twerp. Man up.

Wendel only plays with CRTs. The problems for him are afterglow and the lower frequency of images. The main fault of LCDs is the restriction in frequency and consequently fps.

http://www.behardware.com/articles/613-8/the-last-crt-survey.html

If it was widescreen and not $500 out of my budget I'd grab it. But I don't play games professionally, so I can take the loss. (Its probably neglible anyway, at my level of play) CRTs do have a lot of advantages though and its nice to see some AG units on the market still.:thumbsup:

 

[Smilin]

Jonathan "Fatal1ty" Wendel only plays with CRTs

That's a pretty f'n strong subjective opinion there.

 

[ITPaladin]

I have the HP branded model of the Sony 900 bought from a seller that had a bunch of both models on Ebay for about $300.
It weighs about 90 lbs.

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: Smilin
archcommus:

Yeah, that was a pretty mediocre CRT.

based on the shadow mask I'm betting your LCD looks much BRIGHTER if nothing else.

Shadow-mask or not it's a damn good CRT, like I said I still love it when I am home (instead of college) and use it.

I just like how the LCD is more "in your face," whereas with the CRT I can see the "gap" between the glass and the actual image.

 

[gramboh]

I bought a Samsung 997MB 19in shadow mask for about $250CDN back in the spring to replace a dying (blury) Sceptre from 1999. Quality wise it is ok, not spectacular. I really wish I had just gone for one of the Sony FW900 24in WS on eBay, they were around $400-500US shipped. The problem is I doubt my Ikea desk could handle 95 pounds sitting on it. Would be good exercise lifting it though .

Yes it is true, professional gamers use CRT (those that play FPS shooters like CS, Quake4 etc) because of the response time issue/input lag. Whenever a large tournament has used LCD's there has been complaining and the results are discounted because of these issues.

FWIW I'm typing this from my laptop at work on an LCD. I find LCD fine for desktop use, just can't stand it for gaming.

 

[BladeVenom]

The last review I saw about LCD lag had a Viewsonic only averaging 2ms lag. I think that's good enough to ditch CRTs. Link

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

And as we all know, manufacturers never exaggerate the specs of their own products.

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: CP5670

On the NEC/Mitsu models, there are some holes in the back that let you adjust the focus directly with a screwdriver. Those controls are actually quite vital to making it look right. My CRT (the good one) looked reasonably sharp but not comparable to LCDs for the first month or so that I had it, but that all changed when I spent some time adjusting those screws.

Ya unfortunately Sony monitors only have focus adjustments via firmware , no screws to turn.

Er just had to correct myself ,I recently found out Sony monitors do have 2 focus pots located on the flyback transformer, of course you'd have to remove the monitor casing to access them. There is also 'dynamic focus' adjustments available through the windas software / cable connection.

 

[batmang]

im sorry... but

LCD'S with low response > crt's anyday. big and over priced for being so damn huge. a 20.1 lcd looks just as nice as a 22" crt.

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
The last review I saw about LCD lag had a Viewsonic only averaging 2ms lag. I think that's good enough to ditch CRTs. Link

To bad the Viewsonic is a 6bit panel wich means color banding / dithering. No thanks.

 

[glugglug]

$800 is an obscene price for a monitor. Even a really good one like that.

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
The last review I saw about LCD lag had a Viewsonic only averaging 2ms lag. I think that's good enough to ditch CRTs. Link

To bad the Viewsonic is a 6bit panel wich means color banding / dithering. No thanks.

My 930B is 6-bit and the colors seem as good or better than any CRT I've ever used.

 

[mobutu]

Originally posted by: ZeboHoly Smokes!!! High end CRT's are back in stock!

who cares?

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
The last review I saw about LCD lag had a Viewsonic only averaging 2ms lag. I think that's good enough to ditch CRTs. Link

To bad the Viewsonic is a 6bit panel wich means color banding / dithering. No thanks.

My 930B is 6-bit and the colors seem as good or better than any CRT I've ever used.

Trust me its not. color accuracy and "seem as good" are two totally differant breeds. your lcd probably has "brighter" colors which has nothing to do with accuracy / dithering / grey scale performance.

 

[BladeVenom]

6 bit is fine for gaming. I never notice while I'm playing. The only time 6 bit doesn't look good is for photo editing. It's a comprise between color and speed. Even with that most people prefer LCDs since they have a sharper picture, there's no flicker, they're lighter, smaller, and use less electricity. For most jobs LCDs win out.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
The last review I saw about LCD lag had a Viewsonic only averaging 2ms lag. I think that's good enough to ditch CRTs. Link

To bad the Viewsonic is a 6bit panel wich means color banding / dithering. No thanks.

My 930B is 6-bit and the colors seem as good or better than any CRT I've ever used.

Trust me its not. color accuracy and "seem as good" are two totally differant breeds. your lcd probably has "brighter" colors which has nothing to do with accuracy / dithering / grey scale performance.

Meh...I'm sure CRTs do have better colors...but my experience is the same. I can't tell the difference, so in my eyes there isn't really one. I've never claimed to have a very decerning eye for color though.

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
The last review I saw about LCD lag had a Viewsonic only averaging 2ms lag. I think that's good enough to ditch CRTs. Link

To bad the Viewsonic is a 6bit panel wich means color banding / dithering. No thanks.

My 930B is 6-bit and the colors seem as good or better than any CRT I've ever used.

Trust me its not. color accuracy and "seem as good" are two totally differant breeds. your lcd probably has "brighter" colors which has nothing to do with accuracy / dithering / grey scale performance.

Meh...I'm sure CRTs do have better colors...but my experience is the same. I can't tell the difference, so in my eyes there isn't really one. I've never claimed to have a very decerning eye for color though.

Ditto, exactly my point, don't see the difference so to me there isn't one.

 

[glugglug]

That CRT is capable of 2560x1600 @85Hz (30" apple/dell resolution, but with better refresh). Just thought I would point that out for all the LCD fanbois

Or 3000x2250 @ 60Hz (requires video card capable of 510MHz pixel clock).

I realize the manufacturer site doesn't list these kind of resolutions. That's because they are fairly non-standard and most video cards don't have them by default, you have to add them with powerstrip or similar utility.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: glugglug
That CRT is capable of 2560x1600 @85Hz (30" apple/dell resolution, but with better refresh). Just thought I would point that out for all the LCD fanbois

Or 3000x2250 @ 60Hz (requires video card capable of 510MHz pixel clock).

I realize the manufacturer site doesn't list these kind of resolutions. That's because they are fairly non-standard and most video cards don't have them by default, you have to add them with powerstrip or similar utility.

Are you referring to the FP2141SB-BK? Given that the CRT can only handle a bandwidth of 390 MHz, how are you coming up with these numbers?

Edit: perhaps they're referring to another bandwidth other than pixel clock? Not sure what, but I found it curious that the FW900 was only rated at 140 yet handled resolutions that needed ~330. Must have been a typo.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Are you referring to the FP2141SB-BK? Given that the CRT can only handle a bandwidth of 390 MHz, how are you coming up with these numbers?

Edit: perhaps they're referring to another bandwidth other than pixel clock? Not sure what, but I found it curious that the FW900 was only rated at 140 yet handled resolutions that needed ~330. Must have been a typo.

The bandwidth rating for a VGA monitor isn't a hard and fast #, and exceeding it doesn't mean it won't work like exceeding DVI limits does. Generally I find horizontal blurring starts getting bad at around double the rated bandwidth. 330MHz on a monitor only rated for 140 I would think would be pretty blurry.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

this is a joke right ?
why pay 800 for a 22" crt when a 37" lcd can be had for a little more.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: mobutu

Originally posted by: ZeboHoly Smokes!!! High end CRT's are back in stock!

who cares?

Just because you can't afford Q don't crap those who can.

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
this is a joke right ?
why pay 800 for a 22" crt when a 37" lcd can be had for a little more.

Sure if you dont mind running all your games at 1920x1080..

It also depends on how picky you are with overall picture quality, I know a lot of people would love having a 37" screen but after seeing the 37" Westinghouse in person I was disgusted by its black level performance (its REALLY bad) and according to CNETs review it even has problems with white crush (loss of details in brighter scenes), Westinghouse improved the black level performance on the 42" model but I think thats a bit overkill for a PC display.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: CP5670

On the NEC/Mitsu models, there are some holes in the back that let you adjust the focus directly with a screwdriver. Those controls are actually quite vital to making it look right. My CRT (the good one) looked reasonably sharp but not comparable to LCDs for the first month or so that I had it, but that all changed when I spent some time adjusting those screws.

Ya unfortunately Sony monitors only have focus adjustments via firmware , no screws to turn.

Er just had to correct myself ,I recently found out Sony monitors do have 2 focus pots located on the flyback transformer, of course you'd have to remove the monitor casing to access them. There is also 'dynamic focus' adjustments available through the windas software / cable connection.

The GDM-Fxxx lineup of Sony's top of the line CRTs allows focus adjusting via the front panel OSD. At the very least its horiz and vert focus, but might even be in the 4 corners, I haven't had to use it in 5 years so I dont remember.