Holy Smokes!!! High end CRT's are back in stock!

[apoppin]

are CRTs every gonna make a comeback?

i know there is "new" tech that allows CRT TVs to be made MUCH shallower . . . i believe the depth can be 'halved' and there are plans to manufacture these new tvs.

even though i have a very 'budget' 19' CRT, it is as 'perfect' as this model ever got . . . i cannot find a LCD that works for me - for gaming - that is not super expensive [and i still prefer my CRT].

i am [hoping to be] upgrading *everything* next Fall . . . what can we expect for improved displays by then?

 

[josh6079]

SED's are on the horizon, but I doubt they'll be here in a year.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: josh6079
SED's are on the horizon, but I doubt they'll be here in a year.

widescreen is tempting

i'll see how long i can hold out . . . or till my monitor no longer works well - hopefully due to extreme old age . . . i believe i got it late '00

 

[Mem]

widescreen is tempting

i'll see how long i can hold out . . . or till my monitor no longer works well - hopefully due to extreme old age . . . i believe i got it late '00

apoppin :Gothic 3 widescreen mode here I come .Widescreen LCDs are pretty cheap now even for decent quality models,you can always have both a CRT and LCD and switch between the two unless you need the desktop space.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Mem

widescreen is tempting

i'll see how long i can hold out . . . or till my monitor no longer works well - hopefully due to extreme old age . . . i believe i got it late '00

apoppin :Gothic 3 widescreen mode here I come .Widescreen LCDs are pretty cheap now even for decent quality models,you can always have both a CRT and LCD and switch between the two unless you need the desktop space.

again . . . i haven't viewed a reasonably priced LCD that i liked . . . for gaming . . . no problem with space
. . . i sure ain't getting one just for my email


there's no hurry . . . i am satisfied with my current *everything* until i upgrade

[IF i get a WS LCD . .. then i NEED a more powerful video card . . . and the cycle forces me to upgrade *everything* . . . now]

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: xtknight
So is Newegg just selling clearance or what? Did they actually start up the fabs for these CRTs again? Nobody else seems to be selling them.

I'm guessing they're some overstock units that Newegg happened to have left over in one of their warehouses. These monitors are still in the discontinued section on NEC's website.

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo
Before I would buy one of these again, I'd definitely want to know where it was manufactured. I'm not touching anything made in Mexico, whether it's a CRT, LCD, or blender. If it was made in Japan, that would be ideal, but I don't think there were any CRTs made in the last 3-4 years that came from Japan.

$800 is a lot of money to begin with, and if you do get a bad one, shipping it back for replacement ($50) is also painful.

Ya ive always heard CRTs from Japan get the best treatment in the factory when it comes to convergence / geometry etc. calibration, My FW900 was made in Japan (May 2002 manf. date) it's still going strong and has the best geometry & convergence ive witnessed on ANY CRT, I wasnt expecting that from a widescreen CRT at all.

That is a good point tho.. I doubt the current NECs on newegg were made in Japan...

 

[BFG10K]

My G420 is five years old and still going strong. In fact if anything it seems to be getting a bit brighter with age.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
My G420 is five years old and still going strong. In fact if anything it seems to be getting a bit brighter with age.

Did you get one of the special "flux capacitor" versions by any chance? They were limited edition.

 

[oCxTiTaN]

Originally posted by: MBrown
Sony FW900 FTW.

QFT got mine for $495...would never pay $800 for a new CRT, no matter how good.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Gamers who can't warm up to input lag and motion blur LCD's provide this might be your last chance at one of the best CRT's ever made.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824002091

I've got a 22" Mitsubishi/NEC at home. I bought it a couple years ago for around $650-700.

I'm acutally on my 2nd one...first blew and they warranty replaced it. I'm not giving this thing up until it catches fire and dies. It'a beautiful monitor.

The one thing CRTs still have over LCDs is the variable resolution. I can wing 1600x1200 on almost all my games. There are a few (oblivion) that I play at 1280x1024. CRTs do this perfectly while LCDs give you an @ss-looking picture at anything but the native resolution.

I'm not doggin LCDs but you're goign to be hard-pressed to find one that gives an image quality like this.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Zebo
Gamers who can't warm up to input lag and motion blur LCD's provide this might be your last chance at one of the best CRT's ever made.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824002091

I've got a 22" Mitsubishi/NEC at home. I bought it a couple years ago for around $650-700.

I'm acutally on my 2nd one...first blew and they warranty replaced it. I'm not giving this thing up until it catches fire and dies. It'a beautiful monitor.

The one thing CRTs still have over LCDs is the variable resolution. I can wing 1600x1200 on almost all my games. There are a few (oblivion) that I play at 1280x1024. CRTs do this perfectly while LCDs give you an @ss-looking picture at anything but the native resolution.

I'm not doggin LCDs but you're goign to be hard-pressed to find one that gives an image quality like this.

Oh, and yes I have LCDs as well. Samsung, Dell (not sure who made that one) and I'm happy with them too. I've got a Sony 420GS Trinitron on my 2nd gaming machine though. So I guess since I've bought and paid for everything I'm free to make whatever choice I want... The 22" Mitsu is my screen of choice for my gaming machine. It rocks, no questions asked.

 

[exdeath]

No Sony F500-R love? (21" FD, .22mm, 2048x1536)

No other CRT that I know of is .22mm corner to corner ^_^

Not even LCDs are .22mm LOL

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
A CRT will definitely cause less eyestrain, unless you run it at 60hz, where the flicker induced by redrawing the screen is very apparent to the eye and really doers cause eyestrain/tiredness.

LCD's typically have a flouro lamp for illumination and this is very unfriendly for closeup vision (I can use a compact flouro in the ceiling not a problem, but it's much further from your eyes).

Shens! That is a blanket statement only made by an ignorant or eccentric person. It may cause YOU less eye strain, but not me.

I used to drive home double vision from CRT's (85Hz) at work... Once they replaced our CRT's with LCD's no more double vision and eye fatigue.

Speak for yourself when concerning subjective matters and please, don't try to make them factual statements.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
My G420 is five years old and still going strong. In fact if anything it seems to be getting a bit brighter with age.

I'd keep an close eye on that. The high tension transformer and contolling electronics may be on the way out. Properly functioning CRT's dull down with age, not brighten up.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: exdeath
No Sony F500-R love? (21" FD, .22mm, 2048x1536)

No other CRT that I know of is .22mm corner to corner ^_^

I'll give ya love.

CRTs rock.

The only drawback that I see is they are huge and weigh a ton. If that's an issue (LAN party alot?) then I could see an LCD. I use a combo of LCDs and CRTs on my machine here at work (3x displays) and the LCD does help with the desk space. At home on my gaming rig it's a CRT until the day it dies.

 

[topslop1]

Kind of funny how they're charging premium for CRTS like they are AGP cards now. Friggin sucks.

 

[archcommus]

I don't get you CRT lovers. I went from a Philips 109B 19" flat CRT to a Samsung 930B 19" LCD, and while I loved the Philips and still do, the 930B is crisper, brighter, easier on my eyes, and PERFECTLY fine for gaming. I have never seen even the slightest hint of ghosting or poor/dull colors.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: archcommus
I don't get you CRT lovers. I went from a Philips 109B 19" flat CRT to a Samsung 930B 19" LCD, and while I loved the Philips and still do, the 930B is crisper, brighter, easier on my eyes, and PERFECTLY fine for gaming. I have never seen even the slightest hint of ghosting or poor/dull colors.

The reason is because the average LCD is better quality than the 'average' CRT. But when you start talking about the absolute BEST CRTs, LCD doesn't look as great.

Most people that say LCD is superior have come from mediocre to average CRTs. Quality doesn't really vary from LCD to LCD the way that it does so drastically with CRTs. For example, you'll never have convergence or focus issues with even the cheapest LCD. With CRTs however the quality varies drastically from one model to the next with the majority being nothing to write home about.

Spend $1,700 on a 21" CRT and you'll quickly see why those of us with the few really really good CRTs aren't as eager to replace our CRTs, unlike the masses eager to replace their 14" $150 Packard Bell specials.

FYI I have a Sony F500R (21" FD, 2048x1536 @ 85 Hz, .22mm uniform pitch, BNC, ability to control focus and convergence at each corner, etc). It is arguably the finest CRT that has ever graced this Earth. It was essentially the 3007WFP of the CRT world in its time in terms of desirability and setting the absolute ceiling for display price and performance. I've been enjoying a perfectly square and stable artifact free .22mm pitch image since long before LCD panels on the desktop ever came to fruition. For those without this kind of CRT, a LCD will be their first experience with a comparible image.

And that is why most people believe that LCD is better than CRT. For the majority of the population, it's because they are.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: archcommus
I don't get you CRT lovers. I went from a Philips 109B 19" flat CRT to a Samsung 930B 19" LCD, and while I loved the Philips and still do, the 930B is crisper, brighter, easier on my eyes, and PERFECTLY fine for gaming. I have never seen even the slightest hint of ghosting or poor/dull colors.

What is the native resolution of that 19" LCD? 1280x1024? 1600x1200? What happens if you run a game in a different resolution than the native. How does it look then?

Your 19" CRT was also very small (around the same size as a 17" LCD) so it's not a direct comparison either. Also that wasn't a very good CRT really. What was the dot pitch on that thing?


Although I'm a CRT lover for my game rig I am by no means a LCD hater (I dig them at work). Having the option to use either I'm sticking to my 22" NEC on my main rig. It just looks better. Much better, and at ANY resolution I choose. I'll be quite sad when it dies because the price on them is skyrocketing to the point where I'll have to buy some ****** widescreen LCD with some nutbag resolution that I don't want to run my games at.

Bah, at least the price on em is dropping. Might be able to afford a 30" widescreen by then.

mm.. also keep in mind that pretty much everyone here on the CRT bandwagon is on that bandwagon because they bought a GOOOD CRT. Good computer buying strategy: Spend @ssloads of money on: your case & monitor. Those components will last you through several "computers" and be worth it in the long term. I've never spent less than $650 on a screen. $1500 would be reasonable to me.

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: archcommus
I don't get you CRT lovers. I went from a Philips 109B 19" flat CRT to a Samsung 930B 19" LCD, and while I loved the Philips and still do, the 930B is crisper, brighter, easier on my eyes, and PERFECTLY fine for gaming. I have never seen even the slightest hint of ghosting or poor/dull colors.

You're comparing a Shadow Mask based CRT to LCD .. Try comparing a high end Trinitron / Aperture grille based CRT. Trinitrons are brighter , more colorful and crisper than shadow mask. But dont take my word for it, read this: http://www.necdisplay.com/support/css/monitortechguide/index01.htm

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: archcommus
I don't get you CRT lovers. I went from a Philips 109B 19" flat CRT to a Samsung 930B 19" LCD, and while I loved the Philips and still do, the 930B is crisper, brighter, easier on my eyes, and PERFECTLY fine for gaming. I have never seen even the slightest hint of ghosting or poor/dull colors.

You're comparing a Shadow Mask based CRT to LCD .. Try comparing a high end Trinitron / Aperture grille based CRT. Trinitrons are brighter , more colorful and crisper than shadow mask. But dont take my word for it, read this: http://www.necdisplay.com/support/css/monitortechguide/index01.htm

No surprise here given the CRT in your sig

 

[bruceb]

I like my Sony 17" that Dell provided ... it is about 4 years old
and still works perfectly .. excellent colors and clarity
As to LCD, they just do not look as crisp in my opinion,
both as to charters sharpness, overall brightness, contrast
and color intensity. But on the flip side, if you need to save
space or weight and also reduce electricity use, then go lcd

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: topslop1
Kind of funny how they're charging premium for CRTS like they are AGP cards now. Friggin sucks.

This monitor was always over $600.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: archcommus
I don't get you CRT lovers. I went from a Philips 109B 19" flat CRT to a Samsung 930B 19" LCD, and while I loved the Philips and still do, the 930B is crisper, brighter, easier on my eyes, and PERFECTLY fine for gaming. I have never seen even the slightest hint of ghosting or poor/dull colors.

I have the fastest LCD out and it blurs like crazy reletivly speaking.

To illustrate:
All you have to do is play a game like Titan Quest and walk around items while holding the "Z" key which pops up a discription of what's laying on the ground. When you're walking it's blurry and unreadable while you're still it's crystal clear.

On CRT the text always clear.

If you can't notice the blur I must conclude you are legally blind.