HOLY SHIZZZ!! 2004 Suzuki Swift! is this a Mini Killer??

dieselstation

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From AutoExpress:

Could this be the car that will make a Swift exit from UK showrooms in 2004? Japanese firm Suzuki certainly hopes so, as the Concept-S - unveiled at this week's Paris Motor Show - gives the best clue yet to the company's next-generation supermini.

The neat prototype, which features shades of the new MINI in its styling, will replace the ageing Swift. It is unlikely that the production model will have the same 18-inch alloy wheels and flared arches as the show car, nor will it get chromed twin exhaust pipes. But it is obvious that the basic shape has been designed with European buyers firmly in mind.

Powered by a 1.6-litre 16-valve engine, the show car has a six-speed sequential automatic gearbox, permanent traction control and a funky interior. According to Suzuki bosses, the dashboard is modelled on the shape of an old bi-plane, and is "designed to give the impression of a flying car".

But while it won't be able to lift off, the Concept-S is packed with technology, showcasing the firm's development in this area. The model features an integral telematics system that uses a central controller - similar to BMW's iDrive on the 7-Series - to operate the stereo, air-conditioning and satellite-navigation systems. There is also an MP3 music system, automatic handbrake and solar-powered ventilation unit. Sadly, the production version isn't likely to be as well equipped. It will be aimed at the budget market, where the current Swift still soldiers on thanks to heavy dealer discounting and tempting finance packages. It will be built in Hungary in the same factory as the current car, and is likely to cost as little as £6,000 for the base version.

The concept's 1.6-litre powerplant, which is lifted from the Suzuki Liana, will be available in top-spec models. Meanwhile, entry-level cars will have an all-new 1.3 unit with variable-valve timing, which will also go into the Ignis.


I have no idea if this is coming to the US.

2004 Suzuki Swift 1
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ElFenix

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looks good. too bad its gonna be a lunch box when it hits euro dealers...
 

Fausto

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That's actually a pretty cool-looking little car. Funny how Suzuki is capable of making such great bikes and yet makes POS cars. Perhaps this one will be different.
 

BigSmooth

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I REALLY don't think that this could be a "Mini-killer". It doesn't look as good as a Mini, it doesn't have the brand recognition, history or prestige, it probably doesn't handle as well, and it's probably not as refined or safe as a Mini. Plus it won't have BMW's cash or marketing muscle behind it.
 
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Originally posted by: bigsmooth
I REALLY don't think that this could be a "Mini-killer". It doesn't look as good as a Mini, it doesn't have the brand recognition, history or prestige, it probably doesn't handle as well, and it's probably not as refined or safe as a Mini. Plus it won't have BMW's cash or marketing muscle behind it.
A lot of that is just blind speculation. I think the Swift looks better than the Mini, and we certainly don't know how well it'll handle around the curves or in an accident.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: bigsmooth
I REALLY don't think that this could be a "Mini-killer". It doesn't look as good as a Mini, it doesn't have the brand recognition, history or prestige, it probably doesn't handle as well, and it's probably not as refined or safe as a Mini. Plus it won't have BMW's cash or marketing muscle behind it.
The catch is that it will likely be a sh*tload cheaper than a MINI. It's going to suck in a lot of people who want one but can't afford the real thing.

 

BigSmooth

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Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: bigsmooth
I REALLY don't think that this could be a "Mini-killer". It doesn't look as good as a Mini, it doesn't have the brand recognition, history or prestige, it probably doesn't handle as well, and it's probably not as refined or safe as a Mini. Plus it won't have BMW's cash or marketing muscle behind it.
A lot of that is just blind speculation. I think the Swift looks better than the Mini, and we certainly don't know how well it'll handle around the curves or in an accident.
"Speculation", yes. "Blind", no. The Mini has ALWAYS been regarded as one of the best-handling cars out there, even in its original incarnation. Now, BMW recreated it and I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying that BMW has shown a bit more expertise in the handling department over the years than Suzuki has.

Furthermore, BMWs are some of the safest cars on the road and specifically stated safety was one of their top priorities for the Mini (the thing has airbags in every nook and cranny possible). Again, Suzuki is not known for safety.
The catch is that it will likely be a sh*tload cheaper than a MINI. It's going to suck in a lot of people who want one but can't afford the real thing.
That could be true, but the Mini does start at only $16K. There's not a whole lot of room to undercut it at that price point. People are paying full MSRP+ because of high demand right now, but by the time this concept car makes it to the market, they probably won't be.
 

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They have tons of these kinds of cars in Japan. They are called K(ei) cars or lightweight cars. Most of them have only a 660cc engine but they are usually turbo-charged and can fly.

One of my friends had a Subaru K with 4wd and turbo and that thing could really move but I felt like I was sitting in a deathtrap. I doubt they would meet any safety standards in the US.
 
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Suzuki has the best warranty in the business...7yr/100K. Hyundai offers more time, but their warranty is non-transferable. Chrysler comes close to matching it though.
 

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Zuzuki may not be well known here or even highly regarded, but they are VERY popular in Japan. They sold nearly 30 million cars worldwide in 2001. just because Suzuki isn't known for safety here in the states, doesn't mean they suck. it just means they aren't know here in the states.

From the very little information we have so far of this car, i still think it's going to be a Mini Killer. Suzuki knows what they're doing.

1. 6 speed tranny. Who puts a 6 speed in a low performance car?
2. Handling. Suzuki DOES go rally racing, so they know how to make a good handling car.
3. Pikes Peak. Yeah. they know alot about making huge amounts of power.

Now if only they can learn some marketing skills.
 

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I don't think it will be a mini killer...especially in Europe. Many people buy a mini because there is a little badge in the front that says "MINI". It certainly looks good. Is it going to have a sequential transmition like the M3 SMG or is just an automatic?
 

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That could be true, but the Mini does start at only $16K. There's not a whole lot of room to undercut it at that price point. People are paying full MSRP+ because of high demand right now, but by the time this concept car makes it to the market, they probably won't be.
No way in hell will you ever be able to walk out the door with a MINI under your arm for less than $20,000. Starting price on a car doesn't mean diddly. That said, if we assume a MINI goes for $20k out the door and the 'Zuk goes for $12 out the door (based on the 6,000 pounds sterling price in the first post) then Suzuki will be able to undercut the hell out of BMW. The only thing that may hold potential buyers back is the crappy fit/finish on their cars (again strange, since the bikes are not Honda-precise, but still very nicely made).

Zuzuki may not be well known here or even highly regarded, but they are VERY popular in Japan. They sold nearly 30 million cars worldwide in 2001. just because Suzuki isn't known for safety here in the states, doesn't mean they suck. it just means they aren't know here in the states.
Their cars have certainly gotten a LOT better in recent years, but it's still hard to overcome the stigma of their earliest cars sold here (kinda like Hyundai). I'll remain cautiously optimistic until this thing actually hits the US market (assuming it does).
 

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Originally posted by: dieselstation
Zuzuki may not be well known here or even highly regarded, but they are VERY popular in Japan. They sold nearly 30 million cars worldwide in 2001. just because Suzuki isn't known for safety here in the states, doesn't mean they suck. it just means they aren't know here in the states.

From the very little information we have so far of this car, i still think it's going to be a Mini Killer. Suzuki knows what they're doing.

1. 6 speed tranny. Who puts a 6 speed in a low performance car?
2. Handling. Suzuki DOES go rally racing, so they know how to make a good handling car.
3. Pikes Peak. Yeah. they know alot about making huge amounts of power.

Now if only they can learn some marketing skills.

I wouldnt be so sure about this. I cant speak for whole Europe but in germany, before it could possibly become a Mini killer it would first have to be a Polo/Corsa/Fiesta/Peugot 206 killer. Besides the Mini is in a totally different class and more in the same like the A-class or Audi A2 or Polo. And in the premium ppl are more concerned about image and classy styling than raw numbers
 

BigSmooth

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Originally posted by: Fausto1
Starting price on a car doesn't mean diddly. That said, if we assume a MINI goes for $20k out the door and the 'Zuk goes for $12 out the door (based on the 6,000 pounds sterling price in the first post) then Suzuki will be able to undercut the hell out of BMW. The only thing that may hold potential buyers back is the crappy fit/finish on their cars
I am aware MSRP is not the "real price". I just think that in 2-3 years+, people will NOT be paying full MSRP on the Mini. Right now people might be paying $3K over MSRP but by the time this Suzuki made it to market they would almost certainly be paying less than MSRP.

I also think that if Suzuki does charge $12K or less for this car, there would HAVE to be some serious cost-cutting going on. It would show somewhere - whether in the build quality, interior, drivertrain, or whatever, but you'd know that some corners were cut.

BTW, I refuse to type "Mini" in all caps, no matter what BMW wants! :p
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: bigsmooth
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Starting price on a car doesn't mean diddly. That said, if we assume a MINI goes for $20k out the door and the 'Zuk goes for $12 out the door (based on the 6,000 pounds sterling price in the first post) then Suzuki will be able to undercut the hell out of BMW. The only thing that may hold potential buyers back is the crappy fit/finish on their cars
I am aware MSRP is not the "real price". I just think that in 2-3 years+, people will NOT be paying full MSRP on the Mini. Right now people might be paying $3K over MSRP but by the time this Suzuki made it to market they would almost certainly be paying less than MSRP.
Perhaps, but I'm still thinking the Suz will be a bunch cheaper with comparable performance. Again, the question mark is what people value more: fit/finish or just having a small car that handles like a go-cart. The consumer demand will decide the outcome.

I also think that if Suzuki does charge $12K or less for this car, there would HAVE to be some serious cost-cutting going on. It would show somewhere - whether in the build quality, interior, drivertrain, or whatever, but you'd know that some corners were cut.
It's a Suzuki. They just don't make expensive cars cuz no one would buy them. They make money by producing cheaper facimilies of pricier cars. I think they'll do the same in this case...so yes, there are going to be some corners cut....likely in all the peripherals. That way they can claim similar performance figures/specs to the Mini...at least on paper.

BTW, I refuse to type "Mini" in all caps, no matter what BMW wants! :p
MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!MINI!!!!

Thppppbpbpbpbpbbbbbtttt!!!! :p

:D

 

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N/M....its just lost its coolness already Quote: "" It is unlikely that the production model will have the same 18-inch alloy wheels and flared arches as the show car, nor will it get chromed twin exhaust pipes.""

They do that and it'll look like a d#mn Ford Focus hatchback again....
 

dieselstation

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
N/M....its just lost its coolness already Quote: "" It is unlikely that the production model will have the same 18-inch alloy wheels and flared arches as the show car, nor will it get chromed twin exhaust pipes.""

They do that and it'll look like a d#mn Ford Focus hatchback again....

um.. how many show cars do you know that KEEPS the same huge rims/exhaust/bodykit/etc as the production version. I'm kinda happy that it even has the POTENTIAL of 18's.
 

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more information.

The car has AWD like Scooby.
Sequential 6-speed transmission.
Aluminum 1.6 litre 4 cylinder, 16 valves DOHC engine with turbo.
Free flow dual exhaust sys.
18 inch Zoll wheels. Special sport sus.
Talked about as the next 1600 Jr WRC Suzuki car or concept of what it could be.
This engine was in another Suzuki car which was NA verison listed at 175bhp at 11.1 compression ratio and redlines at 10,000 rpms. Most figure with turbo the engine would make 250bhp. Engine is take off the other Suzuki Concept engine that used motocycle engine 1.3litres and made 173bhp at 9800rpms with redline just above 11,000 rpms.

 

Nemesis77

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Whoa! That sure is step up from the current model :Q! I still wouldn't buy one, but they sure are moving in to right direction!
 

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Wow I remember that old Swift GTi back in the late 80s. A real killer for the price back then. Too bad Suzuki totally abandoned this market during the 90s.